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Offline 30-06man

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What site?
« on: July 28, 2008, 05:20:58 PM »
What site do you recommend? I am looking at a PSE Stinger and I see it has a 3 pin site. I used to bow hunt years ago and I used no site and using a site is all new to me. I read to set my sites at 20, 30, and 40 but it seems to me it would be more confusing. I thought about a 5 pin site and setting one for 10, 15, 25, 30, and 35. I will be hunting on the ground so a pendulum site won't work.

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Re: What site?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 11:44:57 PM »
Take a look here http://www.bowproshop.com/sights.html I have something simular to the 0l 3000.  I used a sight like this when I first started that could be had at walmart for 10 bucks, it was made of plastic.  I got back into archery again last year and was not happy with the sight I had and want to go back to the basics but the old sight would not fit on the new bow, the cable guide rod was in the way.  This is what I picked up or at least something simular.  Basically you put tape on the back of the sight and make marks for different ranges.  For hunting I leave it on 20 yrds but leave it loose enough, it can be moved up if needed.

As far as your sight settings, if you are shooting any kinda of speed at all you will have the same point of aim at 20yrds as you do 10yrds and 15 yrds.  I have always had 5 pin sights at least besides the two listed above.  I kept a 20, 30, 40, and 50 yrd pin as I use to shoot 3-d and 50yrds was the longest shot allowed by the rules.  I either removed the 5th pin or put in as low as it would go.  It served two purposes for me there.  One was for playing around at 75-100 yrds depending on the setup, I tested to see what range it was set at, this was for playing around or shooting at some of the prize shoots where they would have a little one inch red dot on a small target like a woodchuck at around 100yrds and first to hit it wins the prize ( I never won).  Two it also served as my very close range sight. Sometimes they would put the small targets like mentioned above in very close like 3-5 yrds on the course.  If you shot with you 20yrd pin you would hit it the top of the target or shoot over so using a pin closer to your arrow would keep you in the 10 ring.

If you use the 3 pin do 20, 30 and 40.  I use the 40 yrd pin for practice mostly, it makes you a better shot up close.   

Now say you want to shoot 25 yrds, center you peep between the 20 and 30 pins and line up on target and fire away.  I do it a little different though, I think it is from starting with the type of sight I did.  I line up center on the 30 pin looking through the peep but hold on target where I want to hit at 25 between the two.  At that range it did not matter much for me but found I was more accurate when shooting longer shots like 47 yrds where you are not dead center between two pins.  The trick is do what works for you.  I have known a guy that did 15, 25, and 35 yard pins but that would confuse me.

I prefer the one pin sight, I do not have to think at full draw which pin I need.  With some practice you will be able to tell where to hold if the target moves on you at full draw say from 20  to 25 and you are set on 20 yrds.  This would bother some thou so it may not be for you.  I am not trying to push you on this sight, I am just showing you one more option and how most people set up3 and 5 pin sights. 

One last thing to look in to, if you get the bow with a 3 pin sight but want a 5 pin sight many sights you can buy and add pins to if there is room for them.

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Re: What site?
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 11:53:26 PM »
I personally prefer a 3 pin over a 5 pin. Less pins to me means less chance to sight on the wrong pin in the heat of the shot. My bow shoots ar chrono 283fps so I could easily use 1 pin adjusted at 30 yards and just raise the pin on target a couple of inches for 40 yards and lower a couple of inches for 20 and still get a vitals shot.

I like the KISS principle and 3 pins makes life easier when the adrenalin to working overtime when taking a shot. I would probably use a 5 pin for 3D target type shooting if I did that type of shooting a lot. But its a matter of preference, 3 pins work just fine for me for the speeds I shoot.

I also find 3 pins make everything a lot less cluttered in low light conditions and that's when I have taken most of my shots anyway. I also prefer micro pins and set vertical as horizontal pins cover too much of the target in my opinion. I also note I have only taken a few deer over 30 yards and probably a good 90% have been taken from 10 to 25 yards at most. I to only use the 40 for practice and 2-3" groups at 40 yards and its ALMOST a shoe in at a 20 yard Whitetail ;)

Each to his own, the above are just my opinions and they work for me.
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Re: What site?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 04:25:18 AM »
If you're only going to hunt whitetails you would be fine with 3.  But don't set them at 10,15,20 or whatever.  Your closest pin should be 20, and your next should be 30.  You'll discover that inside 20 you can use your top pin without trouble. 

I personally shoot a 5 pin but I also expect longer shots while elk, antelope or caribou hunting.  I practice at 60 and am confident on an elk sized kill zone at 40.  That being said, whitetails are more jumpy and have small kill zones... They can also be more difficult to recover from a bad hit because they tend to live in areas where it's easy to hide.  I limit my deer shots to 30 and prefer 20.

Practice at longer ranges and it'll make you a better shot.  Anyone can shoot tight groups at 30.  The challenge is doing that at 40 and more.

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Re: What site?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2008, 10:02:35 AM »
Personally, I believe simple is better.  When I bought my bow it had five pins.  I removed 4.  Then again as a rule I never shoot at a whitetail past 25 yards.  In the heat of the moment I don't want to use the wrong.  I would rather be practiced up on one and compensate on my own and it has been very effective for me.  But that just me.

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Re: What site?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2008, 01:48:43 PM »
Thanks guys. I have one more question. On the arrow speeds what should I look for? I am wanting to limit my budget to less than $500 with sites, a good rest, and quiver. I would like a fall away rest or a capture style rest like a whisker biscuit. I might be able to spend a extra $50 or so and I have been looking at used bows on ebay.
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Re: What site?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 05:34:24 PM »
You will be fine with the stinger, it has IBO speeds of 304 fps.  You will not be shooting anything close to the IBO rating.  http://www.bghi.us/index.php?x=bowspeed this show IBO and AMO ratings both are not real world.  I shot 3-D with a 6+ grains per inch arrow and never shot over 285 fps.  My hunting rigs have always been slower, dont know that I have chrono-ed one before but would bet on 240-250 fps.  I like heavy arrows for hunting but speed will allow you to be a few more yards off and still hit the vitals.  A arrow chart will help you determine which arrow to get, check out eastons web site for theres or other brands websites for there own. 

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Re: What site?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 05:51:02 PM »
Thanks for that info. I was using a cheap old Bear Flare bow from the 1980's and you can see the arrow arc through the air.
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Re: What site?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2008, 12:09:26 AM »
You will be fine with the stinger, it has IBO speeds of 304 fps.  You will not be shooting anything close to the IBO rating.  http://www.bghi.us/index.php?x=bowspeed this show IBO and AMO ratings both are not real world.

The one thing I did not mention on my website is that IBO and AMO ratings are great to compare one bow to another, but like I mentioned real world is real world.

I like faster speeds but small errors are magnified and you can shoot a deer at 200fps as well as 300fps. I dont care how fast a bow is, those deer still have plenty of time to jump the string.

I would be careful with buying a bow unseen on ebay. Even a good picture would not show up hairline fractures or other damage caused by dryfires etc.
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Re: What site?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2008, 12:21:31 AM »
I did not even know that was your site, I just googled ibo and amo speeds and it was the first to come up and thought it fit what I needed.  Good info thou.

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Re: What site?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 06:52:01 AM »
If you're looking for a used bow,check locally first. Putting your hands on it instead of your eyes is the best method. Got a bowshop around? They will sell consignment bows at our local ones. While there check out some of the combo deals that they may have. You'll be better srved working with someone who does this for a living. Getting the right bow for you will make all the difference in the long run.

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Re: What site?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 06:55:41 AM »
Oh Yeah! Don't do like some of us and buy the bow with the heaviest draw weight. 50-60lb will kill a deer with no problem.

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Re: What site?
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2008, 10:42:56 AM »
From what I've read a Sword Accu sight is the best for the money.
Montana Black Gold is another top notch brand.

Both are durable, an important factor!

I love the WB for an arrow rest.

If you leave the quiver on when you shoot, go with a 2 piece.  If you take it off, then the one piece brand doesn't matter.

Finally if you want a bow "site" check out bowsite.com
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Re: What site?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2008, 04:48:37 PM »
If you're looking for a used bow,check locally first. Putting your hands on it instead of your eyes is the best method. Got a bowshop around? They will sell consignment bows at our local ones. While there check out some of the combo deals that they may have. You'll be better srved working with someone who does this for a living. Getting the right bow for you will make all the difference in the long run.

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That's what my plan was for the reasons listed above.
From what I've read a Sword Accu sight is the best for the money.
Montana Black Gold is another top notch brand.

Both are durable, an important factor!

I love the WB for an arrow rest.

If you leave the quiver on when you shoot, go with a 2 piece.  If you take it off, then the one piece brand doesn't matter.

Finally if you want a bow "site" check out bowsite.com

Thanks for the info on the Quiver.
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Re: What site?
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2008, 04:49:39 AM »
+1 on the sword sight.i shoot one and my youngest son shoots one.
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Re: What site?
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2008, 01:42:05 PM »
Check out brad-bow.com. not cheap, but looks excellent for hunting.