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270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« on: July 30, 2008, 10:01:28 AM »
With my 270 I can shoot to 600 yds shooting 130gr bullets. I have a Burris scope on it and 600yds is no problem.
All I need now is a deer at 600 yds. Has anybody else done this with the 270 Win?

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2008, 10:35:46 AM »
600 yards really, why would you want too?

I feel you can stalk within 300 yards or much closer for the shot, but I wouldn't attempt to take game at that distance.

I load my 270 Winchester with 150 grain bullets using IMR-4831 with MOA accuracy, most all my game are within 100 yards, 300 yards is my max, because I can certainly stalk to get closer.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2008, 02:29:31 PM »
I can imagine how small a deer would look through a scope even at 600 yrds.............I cannot imagine even considering a shot.....  I am just not that good...
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2008, 03:00:09 PM »
Sure, backward, holding a mirror, while standing on my head.
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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2008, 03:43:01 PM »
I have a howa in 270 and made a 226 yard shot few years back and i thought that was good ,but 600 yards.  WOW
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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2008, 04:43:51 PM »
With my 270 I can shoot to 600 yds shooting 130gr bullets. I have a Burris scope on it and 600yds is no problem.
All I need now is a deer at 600 yds. Has anybody else done this with the 270 Win?

1) Put out target at 600 yards
2) Back up 600 yards
3) Shoot target 3 times
4) Post pic of that target
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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2008, 04:49:50 PM »
All I need is a fly on the target to aim at.  Hey, anyone ever done this with a Volquartsen-barreled Ruger 10/22 and a Tasco scope?    ;)


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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2008, 09:39:35 AM »
Has anybody else done this with the 270 Win?

Sure, backward, holding a mirror, while standing on my head.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2008, 11:57:59 AM »
RaySendero,   Thats what I shot at 600 yds. Its a range 600yds long. My 270 shoots better then other rifles I own to 600 yds. I could never do that without that Burris scope.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 12:18:15 PM »
RaySendero,   Thats what I shot at 600 yds. Its a range 600yds long. My 270 shoots better then other rifles I own to 600 yds. I could never do that without that Burris scope.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 12:20:47 PM »
So are we gonnna get some pics......?  I am just wondering where I'd find a place that was flat enough for me to SEE 600 yards......and hitting a regular target at that range....condierign ballistic drop  of what must be 20 + inches...and wind drift.....I mean ...that is a tuff shot for anyone...
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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 04:39:27 PM »
 :)  The .270 is a great gun, but at 500 yards a 100 gr. bullet drops a good 58 inches.    I've seen plenty of deer out that far in the open, and they're never still.    A 300 yarder, for me, would be a challenge.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2008, 08:20:16 AM »
You may want to look at at the Lilja barrel makers site.   He is into long range shooting.   One guy set up his bench, and with a 30-378 heavy barreled rifle, made a shot at 800 yards on an elk.  Trouble was it was a spike bull and he had a cow tag.  You have to be really careful at long ranges.   At those ranges, if the animal takes a step it will be a poor hit or better yet a miss.  I practice on white rocks, coyotes and prairie dogs as far as I can see them but unless I have aready crippled a game animal I try to get closer.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2008, 08:35:45 AM »
The debate over the practicality and ethics of long range hunting is a common thread topic here, and it appears it is resurfacing in this thread.   You will get lots of opinion, with very little experience.    My opinion - while the idea of sniping a game animal at extreme range (over 500 yards) appeals to newer hunters, it is never as simple as it appears.  Shooting a chuck at 500 yards is a lot different than shooting a deer or elk at that range.  A gut-shot chuck will die quickly.  A gut shot deer may not....

The .270 WCF is clearly capable of killing a deer at 600 yards given the correct choice of bullet - one which will expand at the low terminal velocity.  Bullet drop is of no matter - regardless of the cartridge you'll still need a rangefinder and a bullet drop table to maximize your changes of a hit.  A bit of study of ballistic tables will help you to choose the bullet that will reach the target above its expansion threshold.



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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2008, 10:12:46 AM »
Why sure I can post a target ;D
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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2008, 11:51:23 AM »
I don't have the Equipment to post a Target on the web.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2008, 02:02:19 PM »
Before YOU FOLKS get embroiled in the ethics of shooting deer at 600 yards, let's look at one aspect that no one seems to consider.  Finding the damn thing or finding the place where you hit the thing.  Forget the BS about the "I keep my eye right on where he was standing". You start out and have to jump the creek, then circle around the brier patch and over the river and thru the woods, etc. 
Now then, you've hit the deer and he's run off.  You're going to the exact spot where he was standing to search for spots of blood and running tracks?  I have shot deer at around 100 yards that fell where I shot them and when I got to the spot I had to hang my hat on a bush and circle to find the deer.  And he was right where I shot him.  Your view changes and a deer laying on the ground can be hard to spot.  I have walked right past them and smelt them before finding them.  (anybody want to hire a deer sniffing old man? ;) )

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2008, 08:29:42 AM »
That would be a good time having a dog ready to track
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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2008, 08:58:49 AM »
beemanbeme makes a good point.  I have shot deer and elk at less than 100 yards and had more trouble identifying the spot they were standing than I would have thought possible.  I always found the animal but the initial spot is not always easy to nail down.
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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2008, 05:49:23 AM »
I would have to keep an eye on the spot and surounding area and find some blood to trail it. Theres always that chance it drops on the spot.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2008, 06:52:37 AM »
Before YOU FOLKS get embroiled in the ethics of shooting deer at 600 yards, let's look at one aspect that no one seems to consider.  Finding the damn thing or finding the place where you hit the thing.

Well now...   ;D   I used ta hunt over this one soy been/cotton/corn field where my shots were always 400 to 600 yards; what I'd call medium range.  'course when I shot the deer was always DRT, in their tracks as it were, so I never had to do no trackin.  This was mostly because of my unbelievable marksmanship ability, but also partly due to the rifle and ammo I have found to be the best they is for this type of shooting; the 243 Winchester loaded with 55 gr. Nosler BT's.  They shoot dead flat to 300 yards then climb a bit to put them 1.2769 inches high at 400 yards.  At that range my handloads are still clocking right at 4000 fps so there is more then the 1000 ft. lbs. of energy you have to have to kill deer.  I know some may doubt that velocity claim, but I'll let you in on a little secret, it's a 243 AI.  Trust me, I shot these rounds over my Chrony with the screen set out at 400 yards. 

Anyways,  it's hard to imagine Bambi not being DRT at the shot, but this is for the sake of argument, so let's say he managed to stagger off a ways.  If he did, he would leave a blood trail Stevy Wonder could follow...  I always get complete bullet pass through, even if the deer is fully facing or looking directly away from me.  I normally recover the bullet, which almost always weighs 53 to 54.9 gr., at the location the deer was standing at the shot.  I load my rounds so every bit of energy is expended on the inside of the deer, with just enough to break through the skin on the far side and drop to the ground.

But I never had no problem walking right to a downed deer.  Mostly because I try to position my stand about 100 feet up in the giant redwoods I had planted around the field.  by doing that I know my distance from the ground, then I range the downed deer and that gives me 2 sides of a triangle.  So I calculate the remaining side and then I know exactly how far it is to the deer.  Now, my step is exactly 30 inches heel to toe - a holdover from the military back in the day when soldiers still marched, so I can calculate the exact number of steps it is to the deer.  Lastly I shoot an azimuth to the deer with my sextant, I find compasses just aren't accurate enough to find our small JawJa white tails, and commence to stepin', countin' and azimuthing.  Never failed me yet...

But I has been thinkin about developing a GPS linked to the range finder so you could range the deer and have the coordinates for whatever you ranged transferred to a GPS.  That way if I ever got into long range deer shooting I could continue to walk right to the deer.  Not that I think I'd need the help mind you...

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2008, 07:11:17 AM »
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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2008, 09:15:26 AM »
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On a roll?? ;D

Naw, that recurring 243 thread just got me cranked up.   ;D  Glad you responded to this post though.  You hurt my feelings last time when I addressed you directly and you didn't say nuthion!   :'( 
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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2008, 07:13:01 PM »

Naw, that recurring 243 thread just got me cranked up.   ;D  Glad you responded to this post though.  You hurt my feelings last time when I addressed you directly and you didn't say nuthion!   :'( 

My apologies !!! I must have missed it . I will go and look for it NOW!

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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2008, 07:23:49 PM »
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Found it !! Yes I am from South Africa.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2008, 09:42:38 PM »
Well now that the mutual BS has run its course lets clear up a few things.
The 270 is more than capable of taking deer size game at at least 500yds and probably farther.
If a person knows his gun and has practised at long range the shot clearly is do able.
I don't make a habit of shooting at deer over 300yds but have made three shots in my life at deer around 500yds.
Two were wounded.
One by me at 150yds when my foot slipped as I squeezed the trigger.
One was wounded by a fellow hunter at about 200yds.

These two were done with my 1953 WINCHESTER model 70 FEATHER WEIGHT in 270 caliber shooting WINCHESTER 130 grain POWER POINT PLUS ammo with a SIMMONS WHITETAIL CLASSIC 4x12x44 scope.
Sighted in at 2.5" high at 100yds it would group under .75".
I held what looked like about 10" to 12" over the shoulders and both times the bullet hit just a little under half way down the shoulder.
One was an instant kill and the other ran maybe 35yds.
The last one was an intended shot just last year at 505yds with a WINCHESTER model 70 FEATHER WEIGHT in 270 WSM using WINCHESTER 130 BTs with a SIMMONS AETEC 3.8x12x44 scope.
Sighted in at 1.75" high at 100yds it will place three shots under a dime and print a two shot group under 2.5" at 300yds 3.5" to 4" low.
It was the last day of the season and a small doe walked out in the edge of my field just 10 minutes before the last legal shooting time.
There was a strong breeze from my left to right.
She was standing at a hard quarter turn towards me.
I placed the vertical of my scope on the point of the shoulder and held what looked to be about 8" to 10" over the neck spine area.
With the squeeze of the trigger the deer went straight down and was dead when I got over to her.
The shot did drift to the right about 2' to 3 " and hit her in the neck.
I have been shooting the 270 for 35 years and don't ever intend to stop using it.
I have always been very good at judging distance, at least on my farm.
I shoot a couple of long range shots at least once a month or more.
Like I said in another thread, with good equipment and a person who knows how to use it, long range really isn't that hard.


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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2008, 12:31:19 AM »
Hi All,

     Whilst never trying to shoot a deer at 600 yards I used to shoot my 270 win at 600 yards and after winning our annual clubs 600 yard shoot two years running with it they changed the rules and effectively banned it  :( I was using 130 rain Nosler Ballistic Tips and H-380 powder  :o why H-380? well my rifle is a BSA CF2 Stutzen (Full Stock) which only has a 20" barrel and the slower powders produce a huge muzzle flash to going to a faster powder solved this problem.

    Now back to the original post and the questions that spring to mind are :-

1) is this a measured 600 yards or a guessimated distance?

2) is the ground so devoid of cover that 600 yards is the closest you can get?

3) can you put three shots into 6" or less at 600 yard (measured not guessimated ;)) from field shooting positions regularly ?

4) finally have you considered the 140 grain bullet for the 270 Win? seems a good weight and will likely help at longer ranges with retained velocity.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2008, 03:10:30 AM »
600 yards is possible with a .270. I have shot a .270 for almost 20 years and I have faith in both my gun and my abilities but there is no way I'm trying a 600 yard shot at a deer. There are too many things that come into play, human error being the most important. I have shot in a 500 yard shootout, got lucky and hit a paper plate 4 out of 5 but I still wouldn't try a deer at that distance, I have too much respect for the animal. Is that 600 yards through a range finder or just a guess?

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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2008, 04:26:40 AM »
600 yards is possible with a .270. I have shot a .270 for almost 20 years and I have faith in both my gun and my abilities but there is no way I'm trying a 600 yard shot at a deer. There are too many things that come into play, human error being the most important. I have shot in a 500 yard shootout, got lucky and hit a paper plate 4 out of 5 but I still wouldn't try a deer at that distance, I have too much respect for the animal. Is that 600 yards through a range finder or just a guess?
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I shoot at a 600 yd range that is where I shot these 3  130gr bullets out of my 270. I was wondering if anybody else had done this when hunting or shooting.

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Re: 270 Win. & 130gr bullets
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2008, 06:49:20 AM »
I doubt that few of the folks that hang out in a room like this would not be capable of setting up a rifle to make shooting 600 yards very doable.  Especially with the eq available today.  And if a fellow did his home work and practiced and learnt the various methods of how to freeze the deer to avoid that possible step or move, and the wind and all, I doubt that one could even fault his ethics. 

And so, the question is whether shooting a deer at 600 yards is a feat of hunting/stalking or is it a feat of marksmanship?  IMO, the fellow that shoots a deer at 600 yards ranks second to the fellow that sez, "I saw a deer at 600 yards and crawled, crept and slithered 457 yards (yup, got completely out of sight of my truck ;) ) to make the shot."  But that's just me.

And anyone that sez "sometimes you can't get no closer" needs to run, don't walk, run to their closest BSA office and sign up for the Tenderfoot class in woodscraft. :D