Author Topic: REMINGTON BRASS V's STARLINE BRASS (Read 3589 times)

cobraa · « **on:** July 31, 2008, 09:24:05 PM »

Hi atm im using Remington 45-70 brass and im looking at buying some Starline 45-70 brass i'll be using 33gr Reloader-7 500gr RNFP and 40gr Reloader-7 405gr RNFP or 405gr JSP out of a 24" ballard barrel S/S. what does everyone think of the remington and the starline brass, what one do ya recomend. is there any pros and cons to either one. here is there specs. STARLINE 45-70 Brass is 2.096 length and .027 thick REMINGTON 45-70 Brass is 2.098 length and .023 thick.

towpro · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2008, 01:50:22 AM »

I always pick starline as my first choice. remington Second.
chamber (thinking 45 colt). It just makes you brass dirtier after you fire it. I have not shot my 45-70 for a while, but I don't recall them being that low on pressure that they did not seal the chamber

Swampman · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2008, 02:47:37 AM »

I've used a lot of both. I prefer Remington.

ctk1981 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2008, 04:30:16 AM »

When it comes to pistol brass, I almost will always choose starline over everyone else.

Rifle brass....well it depends alot on what I'm doing. In the past I have used winchester and alot of military lake city with good results. For my varmint rifle though I gave nosler a try and I'd highly recommend them if you are doing anything that requires consistent loads for accuracy. Nosler cases are deburred, chamfered, and weight sorted for you. Necks are pretty thick but consistent.

All in all I've never really heard anyone scream stay away from starline when it came to any of their brass....I think alot of it comes down to nitpicking or personal preference but I think the starline will do you just fine.

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2008, 05:56:11 AM »

I have nothing against Remington brass but would always choose Starline over it.

Steve P · « **Reply #5 on:** August 01, 2008, 08:53:48 AM »

I have thousands of both brands in my reloading room and in my ammo locker. Most of the Starline I have is for revolvers and is because I got a deal on it or because it was available. (Starline 32H&R is about the only you can find.) I have never found a bad Starline brass in a shipment of new. They have good QA.

I use lots of Remington brass to make wildcat cartridges. I have found out that once I have done the sizing, triming, primer pocket uniforming, etc, they are nearly match quality. Found a dudd once in a while in batches of 1000 new brass, but almost always get a couple of extra that seem to make up for it.

Once I work up a load, I NEVER interchange the brass. I don't mix Remington with Starline or vice versa.

If I needed 100 brass and there were 100 Remington and 100 Starline on the store shelf, I would buy the cheaper. If they were the same price, I would take the Starline, because of their better QA.

I have never reached a loading point with either of these brands where I can say one brand lasts longer than the other.

Good luck on your choice. Remember, a penny saved is a penny for the next gun or bottle of powder.

Steve

yooper77 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2008, 09:28:13 AM »

I bought Starline in 454 Casull and after full length sizing the case length was shorter than my reloading manual minimum.

I emailed Starline and never received a response, so I went to another brand to see if there was a difference.

I purchased 500 pieces of Magtech brass and none were too short like the Starline brass was in 454 Casull for me.

yooper77

cobraa · « **Reply #7 on:** August 02, 2008, 03:09:36 PM »

hmm ok we got a mixed responce. anyone eles used the remington and the starline in the 45-70 ? wonder where tim is he normally has an opinion on these things...

GregP42 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 02, 2008, 04:00:59 PM »

I will wade into here as I have used both. I can tell you that the Remington brass will hold more black powder that the Starline. What does this mean you ask? It means that the Remington brass is thinner somewhere, the only place it can be thinner is in the head area. Shooting the Remington brass I got about 5 or 6 reloads out of it before I ended up tossing it because it started splitting necks. Now you might think that the splitting might be because I was over sizing or the end of the neck was work hardened. It wasn't, I don't resize my brass for black powder loads, just deprime clean and reload. I have one box of 50 Starline brass that has now been though 10 reloads and they are still going strong. I have another box that has 4 reloads for smokeless powder on it, they were full length resized, and here is the one place that Starline brass needs work, you need to anneal the last about half inch of the case as it is harder normally, I do mine when I am casting bullets, I will hold the case in my hand with no glove and stick the end of the case in the melted lead. When I start to feel the heat in my finger tips I tap off any lead sticking to the case then drop them into a jug that has water in it to cool them off. That has worked fine for me for the last few years, and it will be how I keep doing it. As for other Starline brass, I have a bunch of it in .41 Mag, none of it was short, but when I picked up a thousand pieces of 32-20 they were all .015 shorter than normal trim to length. I called them and ask them and they told me where they got their info on where they got the length, I went and checked it out and sure enough that was what it was in the cartridge drawings for the small arms standards (I can't think of the acronym for them right now). It was interesting to say the least after looking at the information the cited, not everything was the same as I thought it was.

I hope this helps and I didn't ramble off topic too much for you.

Greg

quickdtoo · « **Reply #9 on:** August 02, 2008, 04:21:50 PM »

Very nice reply Greg, thanks!

I've used Rem, Win and Starline in the 45-70, Starline is my first pic in all chamberings if they make it, if not, I don't have any preference of Win, Rem or Hornady, whatever I find locally.

Tim

cobraa · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2008, 02:00:26 AM »

ok so it sounds like the Starline 45-70 Brass its going to be it then, so what brand Primers would one recomend for the Starline 45-70 brass.. ?

GregP42 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2008, 03:38:21 PM »

Quote from: cobraa on August 05, 2008, 02:00:26 AM

ok so it sounds like the Starline 45-70 Brass its going to be it then, so what brand Primers would one recomend for the Starline 45-70 brass.. ?

Cobraa,

Primers depend on what powder your shooting. As for brand, I use different brands depending on what what works best with that load.

Greg

cwlongshot · « **Reply #12 on:** August 06, 2008, 03:25:56 PM »

All rem brass I have ever bought has been quite sort. the bulk stuff comes thru with some quite deformed pieces. BUT, It has never caused me any issues either.

I have only bought a couple hundred cases of Star-line, but all have been of top quality.

Just so all the countries are herd from... my fav for the 45LC and 45-70 is FEDERAL brass!! I bought about 2000 cases in 45LC and split 1000 rounds of 45-70 with a buddie of mine some ten years back. VERY NICE STUFF!!! Doubt I'll ever need to buy another piece in my lifetime.

If you can get your hands on some FED cases, GRABTHEM!!

CW

gschwertley · « **Reply #13 on:** August 06, 2008, 07:51:11 PM »

I've used all kinds of brass, including Remington and Starline. Have used both brands in .45-70 and haven't noticed any problems with either one.

One thing I have noted with Remington pistol brass is that it tends to be thinner walled. Brass doesn't have to be thick to be strong; for example, look at AMERC brass, which is very thick but soft and weak (don't use it; you are apt to have troubles).

The Rem. pistol brass is strong enough, but because it tends to be thinner, you can run into problems with bullet pull. For that reason, I often kept it off to the side for loading with lead bullets which tend to be a little larger. My experience with this situation is with .32 ACP, 9mmP, .40 S&W, and some .45 ACP.

Had a problem with some Rem. 8mm Mauser brass a while back. It had only been fired a couple of times and I started getting splits at the neck and shoulder. I annealed it and the problem went away, but I've never had a problem similar to this with so many cases in one batch after so few firings.

We all know that Remington is one of the biggies and we expect fairly high levels of quality from them. Even though I use Remington brass, it is not on the top of the list for me. The problems I have outlined above are enough for me to be disappointed in Remington as a premiere manufacturer.

On the other hand, I have some older .30-06 cases (marked "Rem-UMC") that I should have condemned a long time ago, but I keep firing in my M-1 rifle and they still hold up. I keep using them, thinking, "Well, if I'm going to be losing them in the grass at the range, I might was well lose these old dogs" but some are still around.

ECV Slick · « **Reply #14 on:** August 06, 2008, 11:36:04 PM »

Quote from: towpro on August 01, 2008, 01:50:22 AM

I always pick starline as my first choice. remington Second.

That's my choice as well...

cobraa · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2008, 05:58:48 PM »

as soon as the exchange rate gets better again i'll be ordering 1000 starline 45-70 brass 500 for me and 500 for Nigel and ill be loading them with 40grains of reloader-7 with Remington 405 JSP so im not sure on what brand primers would be good for this combination...
when i loaded me remington 45-70 brass i used remington large primers 9 1/2 and they worked great with the remington brass but not sure if they will with the starline 45-70 brass tho...

cobraa · « **Reply #16 on:** August 14, 2008, 03:18:36 PM »

well i went and bought 10 packets (1000) Remington 9 1/2 Large Rifle Primers so i hope they will be fine and i was going to order 500-1000 Starline brass from the states but the aussie $ has droped like 9cents

so ill have to wait for it to recover before i can buy the brass..

Ireload2 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 14, 2008, 03:58:25 PM »

I use Remington, Starline and Winchester brass in a .40-65.
The Starline is much harder than Remington and Winchester brass. and should be annealed if you size it and use it with cast bullets.
For the 40-65 Starline is last brass I would use even though I have for form the others.

cobraa · « **Reply #18 on:** August 19, 2008, 01:50:32 PM »

ow well i got 1000 45-70 Starline brass on there way now cost me $650aud to me door from the usa.. so ill see how they go with jacketed and cast projectiles..

650.00 AUD = 567.851 USD
Australia Dollars United States Dollars
1 AUD = 0.873616 USD 1 USD = 1.14467 AUD

cobraa · « **Reply #19 on:** September 12, 2008, 02:28:29 AM »

well after a few hassles ive gotten me Import Permit now i just gota mail it to Australian Customs and then they will release me 1000 Unprimed Starline 45-70 Brass to Australia post.. to deliver to me so fingers crossed ill have me brass here within 5days.. and im glad i bought when i did cause the aussie $ has dropped to like 80-81cents aud to the US $..

Troyboy · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2008, 11:05:13 AM »

I thought that your gun rights had been taken away in your country? Is this true or just propaganda.

Troy

cobraa · « **Reply #21 on:** September 12, 2008, 04:13:45 PM »

Well in 1997 the Government Introduced a new bill and it passed and they did a Buy-back of all Full Auto, Semi Auto rifles & Shotguns and Pump Action Shotguns.. under the new Laws Standard Weapons Licence which is a Catagory A&B Weapons Licence that has to be renewed every 5years are allowed to own Single Shot rifle/shotguns, Lever Action rifles/shotguns, bolt action repeater rifles, Muzzle Loader rifles/shotguns, pump action rifles only.
AND FOR THE KICKER: Ya need to have a Legitimate reason to own a firearm now 4 different Legitimate reasons for being granted a Cat A&B weapons licence are. 1. you have a letter from a property owner saying you can shoot on his/her property it must be more then 40 acres and I think at least 1KM from the road, 2. you are a member of the SSAA(Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia), 3. ADA (Australian Deer Association) 4. A Member of a Rifle Range/club.

http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Firearmsregulation_Reform-theaustralianfirearmsbuybackscheme

Here are the Firearms I Own.
Marlin 1895XLR CAL: 45-70 http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/xlr/1895XLR.aspx
Marlin 336XLR CAL: 30-30 http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/xlr/336.aspx
Savage 93R17-FVSS CAL: 17HMR http://www.savagearms.com/93r17fvss.htm
Topper SB1-498 CAL: .410 Bore http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/topper.asp
Ruger M77 HKM77RFP Hawkeye® All-Weather CAL: 243
http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=7117&return=Y
Weatherby Vanguard VGS300NR4O CAL: .300 Win Mag
http://www.weatherby.com/products/guns.asp?prd=Rifles&prd_sub_type=3&prod_code=VGS300NR4O#
IAC MODEL 87W LEVER ACTION SHotgun CAL: 12GA http://www.iacshotguns.com/87w.html
Lithgow 1B CAL: 22LR http://theopenrange.com.au/?/s/usedproducts/c/used_rifles_r-fire/a/lithgow_1b/
4x Burris 3-9x40mm Fullfield II Ballistic Plex Nickel #200169 Rifle Scopes
1x Xdoptics 10-40x50 ESF Y Reticle Russia Technique Rifle Scope

Troyboy · « **Reply #22 on:** September 13, 2008, 12:22:26 PM »

Thank you for the info. I'm glad you can still keep your firearms even if you have to jump through hoops.I'm sure we will see the same thing here if the wrong people get into office. Really nice collection you have there. Keep shooting

Troy

tykempster · « **Reply #23 on:** September 13, 2008, 12:31:49 PM »

Winchester brass has more capacity in case you are going to be shooting max loads. Make sure you look what brass the load was in if you're doing anything "hot".

cobraa · « **Reply #24 on:** September 13, 2008, 09:47:32 PM »

well i shoot a Marlin 1895XLR 45-70 Stainless Steel Lever action rifle 24" Barrel with Ballard Rifling a Leupold QR #54227 silver Steel base & Leupold QR #49975 Medium Silver Steel Rings with a Burris 3-9x40mm Fullfield II Ballistic Plex Nickel Rifle Scope #200169.

The 2 SAFE loads i shoot atm in it are these and they group 1/4" - 1/2" at 100YDS and on a bad day 1" group at 100YDS.

Bullet: Remington Jacketed Soft Point
Bullet Weight: 405 grains
Powder: Alliant Reloader 7
Powder Weight: 40 grains
Primer: Remington 9 1/2 large Rifle primer
Brass Make: Remington 45-70
Barrel Length: 24 (inches)
C.O.L: 2.540 (inches)
Group 100 yds: 1/4" - 1/2" on a bad day 1"
Gun Info: Marlin 1985XLR Stainless Steal 45-70
Comment: This load is for Modern 45-70 Only

Bullet WESTCASTINGS PREMIUM GRADE PROJECTILES GOLD MATCH 500grain RNFP .459 Dia 45-70 GOVT
Bullet Weight: 500 grains
Powder: Alliant Reloader 7
Powder Weight: 33 grains
Primer: Remington 9 1/2 large Rifle primer
Brass Make: Remington 45-70
Barrel Length: 24 (inches)
C.O.L: 2.540 (inches)
Group 100 yds: 1/4" - 1/2" on a bad day 1"
Gun Info: Marlin 1985XLR Stainless Steal 45-70
Felt recoil: Is no more then the Remington 405gr JSP bullets with 40grains of reloader 7
Comment: This load is for Modern 45-70 only

and when i get me unprimed Starline 45-70 brass on friday ill still be using the same load data. and see how they go. and yes winchester can hold more capacity but cause there thin walled compared to the remington and the starline brass you wont get as many reloads.. with the Winchester.

John Boy · « **Reply #25 on:** September 15, 2008, 01:57:15 PM »

Starline 45-70 Brass ... Get Them WhileTheir Hot!

cobraa · « **Reply #26 on:** September 19, 2008, 03:15:00 PM »

Well Yesterday Me 1000 Starline unprimed 45-70 Rifle Brass turned up after abit of a run arround where i had to go apply for a Import Permit before Customs in Australia would release them to Australia Post to deliver them to me.. so now i got enough to last me a very long time i hope hehe

phaessler · « **Reply #27 on:** September 21, 2008, 02:31:41 AM »

Staying on topic , yet..... I have tried Star-Line in my BC .45-70, and had only one minor problem; The inconsistent depth of the primer pockets. Anywhere between 0.008-0.011" variance from SAMMI, resulting in light strikes and clicks with no bang. Certainly isnt match quality, which is why I only use Rem brass. Rem brass is consistent (which I'm sure as is Win, and F-C to name the common), while case capacity is higher with Win. in my experience forming cases for wildcats and what not, its brittle, very high loss rate making Ackley cases. And F-C is just hard brass.
Then again I drive Chevrolet's , and some choose Ford's.
just my $0.02

pete

cobraa · « **Reply #28 on:** September 21, 2008, 03:49:14 PM »

ow ok this is the first im hearing about the variations in depth of the primer pockets... im using them for hunting but we do strive for consistant groups as we take every care to make sure the C.O.L and the power is exact or as close as we can it with each round we load..

tykempster · « **Reply #29 on:** September 21, 2008, 05:15:02 PM »

Never lost a Winchester case in my 6mm Ackley.