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Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« on: August 01, 2008, 12:22:32 PM »
 
Police identify Canadian bus attack suspect


Friday, August 1, 2008




  (08-01) 14:55 PDT TORONTO, Canada (AP) --

A 40-year-old man who witnesses said stabbed and beheaded his seat mate on a Greyhound bus in Canada made his first court appearance Friday, while police offered no motive for the savage attack against the 22-year-old carnival worker.

Vince Weiguang Li, of Edmonton, Alberta, has been charged with second-degree murder. He shuffled into the courtroom Friday in Portage la Prairie, Manitoba with his head bowed and feet shackled.

He did not reply when the judge asked him if he was going to get a lawyer, and only nodded slightly when asked whether he was exercising his right not to speak. He was not required to enter a plea.

The prosecutor asked for a psychiatric assessment, but the judge said he wanted to give Li a chance to meet with his lawyer. Li's next court appearance is scheduled for Tuesday.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said Li has no known criminal record.

Authorities have not released the victim's name but The Canadian Press said friends had identified him as Tim McLean and said he was headed to Winnipeg after working with the carnival in Edmonton.

William Caron, 23, said McLean was quiet, though he liked to socialize with friends. He was small — about 5-foot-4 and 130 pounds — and tended to stay away from a fight, Caron said.

"All the time I've known Tim, he's never been the type of guy to get into a fight with. He always kept to himself when there's strangers around," Caron said.

Friends started a Facebook group called "R.I.P. Tim" after news of the attack.

"He was a great person, he was kind, thoughtful, and he did not deserve this. I feel for his parents and sisters and his lil bro," Jossiee Kehleer wrote on the site.

Passengers said the victim was stabbed dozens of times in the Wednesday night attack aboard the bus as it traveled a desolate stretch of the TransCanada Highway about 12 miles from Portage La Prairie, Manitoba.

Witnesses described a grisly killing that occurred as some were napping and others watching "The Legend of Zorro" on the television screens inside the bus.

Shortly after passengers reboarded the bus following a break, the suspect — for no apparent reason — stabbed the man sitting next to him several dozen times as passengers fled in horror, witnesses said. He then severed the man's head, displayed it and began hacking at the body.

Garnet Caton, who was sitting just one seat in front of them, said the suspect had been on the bus about an hour. He initially did not sit near the victim but changed seats after a rest stop. Caton said he did not hear the two speak to each other before the attack.

"We heard this bloodcurdling scream and turned around, and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly," Caton said.

Caton watched in horror as blood sprayed across the back of the bus, he told The Globe & Mail daily.

"He had a Rambo, hunting knife covered in blood and he just kept going at the guy," Caton said. "He was very calmly killing the guy and the other guy was screaming bloody murder."

Caton said the driver stopped the bus when he became aware of the attack and passengers raced off. A short while later, Caton said he re-boarded along with the bus driver and a trucker who had stopped to see what was happening.

He said the suspect had the victim on the floor of the bus and "was cutting his head off" with a large hunting knife.

"When he was attacking him, he was calm," said Caton. "There was no rage or anything. He was just like a robot stabbing the guy."

The attacker turned toward them and the three men quickly left the bus, blocking the door as the attacker slashed at them through an opening. Caton said the driver disabled the vehicle after the attacker tried to drive it away.

As the three guarded the door with a crow bar and a hammer, the attacker went back to the body and calmly came to the front of the bus to show off the head, Caton said.

Greyhound spokeswoman Abby Wambaugh said there had been 37 passengers aboard, many watching a movie when the violence erupted. She called the attack tragic but isolated.

 
 

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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 01:43:52 PM »
1st degree murder: Planned, premeditated. 
2nd degree murder: a spontaneous act of violence.

If the procecutor can prove that Li snuck the "Rambo" hunting knife onto the bus with plans to kill and decapitate the vic in front of 40 some odd witnesses then it should be 1st degree murder.
If the vic wouldn't let Li sit next to the window or wouldn't share a magazine or such and Li flew into a rage and just happened to have a "Rambo" hunting knife along, it was 2nd degree. A smart defense Atty will play the race card and, unless Li is a native born Canadian, will claim some sort of "flash back" to Cambodia or Viet Nam or where ever. 

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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 02:51:02 PM »
I am not a Canadian lawyer, but i suspect their system is similar to ours.  Here a charge can be changed at various points preceeding trial.  It is frequent here for a lesser charge to be used for a time to hold a suspect while they gather information for the greater charge... Or, as usual, just give it time and it may work itself out.  Become outraged when a second degree murder trial starts.

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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 05:51:40 PM »
I'm thinking if the Canadian system is similar to what we have here in MN. The person has been charged with second degree murer as Dukkillr said. Here they need a grand jury to charge 1rst degree murder.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2008, 07:39:08 PM »
My wife told me that they added more to the story in the last couple of days...

In the tape of radio transmissions, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer refers to the attacker as "Badger" and says he is armed with a knife and scissors and is "defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak."

On the tape, which lasts about 80 seconds, officers continue to detail the attacker's movements until one reports, "Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it."


Why not just ask the bus driver to stop at McDonald's?  Guess I just don't understand Canadians...

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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2008, 03:23:32 PM »
without capital punishment it doesn't matter what you call it
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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2008, 04:07:17 PM »
without capital punishment it doesn't matter what you call it
Wrong, powerfully and completely wrong.  Save your ideologically driven posts for topics where it won't make you 100% wrong.  Whatever someone's opinion of the death penalty is, please understand that a finite period in jail vs. life without parole is a BIG difference. 

Off topic question:  Why can't people think for themselves?  Honestly, why is it that a political party dictates a series of beliefs rather than the other way around? 

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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2008, 05:30:54 PM »
latest news I saw is when he got in front of judge all he said was [please kill me]. the judge has ordered him held for psychiatric evaluation. my bet is they will say he just went nuts and is unfit to stand trial. as a Canadian gun owner I'm just glad he didn't use a gun.

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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 10:40:28 AM »
beerster"  I couldn't agree with you more. I'm still ticked at the guy that killed those 13 women in Quebec and got us into the present mess. He at least had the grace to shoot himself.

duk? I don't understand your post, kindle enlarge on it.
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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008, 12:10:52 PM »
dukkillr, are you a U.S. lawyer?

As for the guy on the bus, this would have never happened if, when outlawing handgun carrying in Canada, they had also outlawed knife carrying. Look how good it has worked in Australia. ::)

As for the death penalty involving murder. Quibbling about how the murder took place is ludichrist. Murder is murder, and the death penalty should be given EVERY TIME. JMO

A psychiatric exam for a murder is also a waste of time. The fact that the man murdered someone is all that is necessary to prove. Whether he has any sense is a stupid and useless endeavor. Put the man to sleep, he's a killer.
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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008, 02:02:35 PM »
dukkiller, no offence meant. i don't intend to be an idealist. i feel that any murder deserves death penality
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Re: Cutting off heads in canada is only second degree murder.
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2008, 09:07:19 AM »
Give the state and the defense Attys 3 months to prepare their case.  If he is found guilty, one review to make sure there was a REASONABLY proper trial, and NO LATER than 3 months after sentencing, punch his ticket for his last ride. Life in prison should NEVER be an option in a capital trial.
If the needle hurts going in, or the rope chaffs his neck a little, or old sparky sets his hair on fire, well dang, everybody has a bad day now and then.

To say that being pent up for 40 years is a worse punishment than being killed is moot but it's for sure a hell of a lot worse on my pocketbook.  Why warehouse someone that will never be rehabed, and feed and doctor them into old age whilst they sit around and figure jail house torments to pull on their guards and the system.