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NRA spying?
« on: August 05, 2008, 04:23:39 PM »
Found this on yahoo. I am thinking it is bure BS because of the recent Supream Court Ruling.
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_re_us/nra_mole

PHILADELPHIA - A gun-control activist who championed the cause for more than a decade and served on the boards of two anti-violence groups is suspected of working as a paid spy for the National Rifle Association, and now those organizations are expelling her and sweeping their offices for bugs.

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The suggestion that Mary Lou McFate was a double agent is contained in a deposition filed as part of a contract dispute involving a security firm. The muckraking magazine Mother Jones, in a story last week, was the first to report on McFate's alleged dual identity.

The NRA refused to comment to the magazine and did not respond to calls Tuesday from The Associated Press. Nor did McFate.

The 62-year-old former flight attendant and sex counselor from Sarasota, Fla., is not new to the world of informants.

She infiltrated an animal-rights group in the late 1980s at the request of U.S. Surgical, and befriended an activist who was later convicted in a pipe bomb attack against the medical-supply business, U.S. Surgical acknowledged in news reports at the time. U.S. Surgical had come under fire for using dogs for research and training.

McFate resurfaced in Pennsylvania and has since spent years as an unpaid board member of CeaseFirePA and an organization called States United to Prevent Gun Violence. She also twice pushed unsuccessfully to join the board of the nation's largest gun-control group, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

"It raises some real concerns with the tactics of the NRA. If they've got one person, maybe they have more. If they've done this dirty trick, what else have they done?" said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, which planned to search its offices for listening devices and computer spyware.

The Brady Campaign and other groups said they are also researching whether McFate's alleged spying constituted a crime.

"Under some circumstances, it could be trespass," said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles and a former prosecutor. But "if they're open meetings, it may be underhanded and sneaky; it may not be illegal."

At States United, McFate served as federal legislation director, meeting with members of Congress on Capitol Hill and writing letters. Over the years, she also stuffed envelopes, attended rallies and took part in conference calls and strategy sessions.

In retrospect, Helmke said, he now realizes McFate stopped by the Washington office for meetings and conference calls that could have been handled by phone, and perhaps pushed too hard to join the board or lobby Congress.

But as for any secrets she might have been privy to, the gun-control groups said they have little to hide, since they put their message and information about their budgets on the Web.

The allegations against McFate stem from a lawsuit brought against officials with Beckett Brown International, a now-defunct security firm based in Maryland. A former beer distributor who bankrolled the firm accused them of defrauding him.

Boxes of documents filed in the dispute reveal that McFate worked as a subcontractor for Beckett Brown and that the firm's clients included the NRA. And they show that McFate billed the firm for unspecified intelligence-gathering services, submitting among other things a request for a $4,500-a-month retainer in 1999.

The documents also reveal that McFate — that is her maiden name; her married name is Mary Lou Sapone — tried to get daughter-in-law Montgomery Sapone hired by Beckett Brown. Montgomery Sapone worked as an intern at Brady Campaign headquarters in 2003, the gun-control group said.

John Dodd III, the Maryland beer distributor who bankrolled Beckett Brown, told the AP that he did not condone the infiltration of activist groups.

Bryan Miller, executive director of Ceasefire NJ, said he feels betrayed by McFate. Miller's brother, an FBI agent, was shot to death in 1994.

"To have somebody that I consider a friend, have been with dozens of times, shared meals with, treated as a friend, to have her be an employee, a subcontracted spy for the NRA, is just mind-boggling. It's so venal," Miller said. "In the battle of ideas with the gun lobby, we're at a constant disadvantage because we're honest."

Timothy Ward, a former Beckett Brown principal who said in a sworn statement that McFate worked for the firm, declined comment Tuesday through a person who answered the phone at his new company, Chesapeake Strategies Group. The NRA now uses that firm for intelligence-gathering, another Chesapeake official said in a deposition.

The CeaseFirePA leadership plans a vote Friday on whether to expel McFate, a board member for seven years.

"I feel flattered that the NRA would feel that they would have to infiltrate Ceasefire of PA. Obviously, they're hearing our footsteps," said Phil Goldsmith, the group's president. "Frankly, I think it's a waste of their money. We don't deal in state secrets."
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Re: NRA spying?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2008, 04:31:36 PM »
Heck I'd love to get on the board of HCI! :D :D

Another nice little tactic is if the certain group you don't agree with has an 800 number call it from a pay phone, they are charged for every call. Would be nice to send a few million calls from pay phones to some of these anticonstitutional scumbags.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2008, 04:40:10 PM »
While your at it might as well call Harry Reid and Nancy Polisky.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2008, 05:13:11 PM »
you don't need a spy to do the math and find out all their statistics are pure bull but all the news outlets repeat them endlessly like they were Gospel
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2008, 05:15:52 PM »
you don't need a spy to do the math and find out all their statistics are pure bull but all the news outlets repeat them endlessly like they were Gospel
True and they even admit it.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 07:14:28 PM »
I have to say, "so?"  If she was a "spy," what law did she break?  Heck, I don't see the big deal?

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2008, 02:16:12 AM »
I'm sure "Brady" has no "spys"!! They wouldn't do anything like that. Would they?
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2008, 05:28:25 PM »
I think it's hilarious.

How many spies do you think they have in the NRA and ILA?

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2008, 06:32:54 PM »
I think it's hilarious.

How many spies do you think they have in the NRA and ILA?

I don't know, but they must have thousands of evelope stuffers on staff, as I get one or two panhandling letters a month wanting more money. It seems to me, that if the NRA would spend all the money on fighting gun laws that they spend on sending out thousands of mailers hawking more money, they wouldn't need more money from it's members. jmo
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008, 03:25:29 AM »
It seems to me, that if the NRA would spend all the money on fighting gun laws that they spend on sending out thousands of mailers hawking more money, they wouldn't need more money from it's members. jmo
They contract out the gimme-grams. The company that handles it gets to keep a percentage of the take from those, so the claim is that the expenses are coming out of the increased money flow created by the letters.

I agree it's a turn off, and probably causes a /lot/ of new members to not renew.

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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008, 06:36:12 AM »
who pays for the Africa hunts, do they have a NRA office in Africa. Can i apply for employment. ;D
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008, 11:57:18 AM »
Causes a lot of old members to not re-new also. ;)
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2008, 03:27:55 AM »
I think it's hilarious.

How many spies do you think they have in the NRA and ILA?

I don't know, but they must have thousands of evelope stuffers on staff, as I get one or two panhandling letters a month wanting more money. It seems to me, that if the NRA would spend all the money on fighting gun laws that they spend on sending out thousands of mailers hawking more money, they wouldn't need more money from it's members. jmo

Every time a thread is NRA related, you come with the same old crap. If you don't want the letters, call them like I have, and they will take you off the list. And quit whining.  ::)
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2008, 05:52:15 AM »
I think it's hilarious.

How many spies do you think they have in the NRA and ILA?

I don't know, but they must have thousands of envelope stuffers on staff, as I get one or two panhandling letters a month wanting more money. It seems to me, that if the NRA would spend all the money on fighting gun laws that they spend on sending out thousands of mailers hawking more money, they wouldn't need more money from it's members. jmo

Every time a thread is NRA related, you come with the same old crap. If you don't want the letters, call them like I have, and they will take you off the list. And quit whining.  ::)

It would seem that you are the whiner. I stated an opinion. This CRAP you speak of, is the CRAP that YOU, the KING OF WHINNERS goes into every time someone says something somewhat negative about YOUR BELOVED NRA. I will say what I please, and you can do nothing about it.
END OF CONVERSATION ;)!
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2008, 10:08:11 AM »
  Heck I think we should all get on the board of HCI. Alot of of could teach them how to properly control and handle a handgun. As for some they hate and whine about everything, thier words are as they are, nothing.

 And spying what law has been broken? Could we get one of our lawyers here like Atlaw or Dukkillr to explain? Heck I wouldn't even convict these guys if there were a law broken if I were on the jury. I say we start an all out assault on these anti constutional criminals and whipe em out by any means necesary.
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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2008, 06:28:22 PM »
I think it's hilarious.

How many spies do you think they have in the NRA and ILA?

I don't know, but they must have thousands of envelope stuffers on staff, as I get one or two panhandling letters a month wanting more money. It seems to me, that if the NRA would spend all the money on fighting gun laws that they spend on sending out thousands of mailers hawking more money, they wouldn't need more money from it's members. jmo

Every time a thread is NRA related, you come with the same old crap. If you don't want the letters, call them like I have, and they will take you off the list. And quit whining.  ::)

It would seem that you are the whiner. I stated an opinion. This CRAP you speak of, is the CRAP that YOU, the KING OF WHINNERS goes into every time someone says something somewhat negative about YOUR BELOVED NRA. I will say what I please, and you can do nothing about it.
END OF CONVERSATION ;)!

It has nothing to do with my beloved NRA, it is your same old tired story that bothers me. Instead of crying like a baby, about NRA mail asking for money, do something about it. Also, you don't have to open them, just file 13 them. Is that so hard to do?

Now it is the end of discussion. Have a nice day Dee   :-*
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2008, 10:12:05 AM »
I think it's hilarious.

How many spies do you think they have in the NRA and ILA?

I don't know, but they must have thousands of envelope stuffers on staff, as I get one or two panhandling letters a month wanting more money. It seems to me, that if the NRA would spend all the money on fighting gun laws that they spend on sending out thousands of mailers hawking more money, they wouldn't need more money from it's members. jmo

Every time a thread is NRA related, you come with the same old crap. If you don't want the letters, call them like I have, and they will take you off the list. And quit whining.  ::)

It would seem that you are the whiner. I stated an opinion. This CRAP you speak of, is the CRAP that YOU, the KING OF WHINNERS goes into every time someone says something somewhat negative about YOUR BELOVED NRA. I will say what I please, and you can do nothing about it.
END OF CONVERSATION ;)!

It has nothing to do with my beloved NRA, it is your same old tired story that bothers me. Instead of crying like a baby, about NRA mail asking for money, do something about it. Also, you don't have to open them, just file 13 them. Is that so hard to do?

Now it is the end of discussion. Have a nice day Dee   :-*
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