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150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« on: August 12, 2008, 12:50:06 PM »
Western bullets sells these, anybody got load data?  Particularly interested in BP loads, but would like to hear smokeless too if anyone has them.  My Lyman Reloading Manual (49th) and my Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook (3rd) don't have data, even though it is a Lyman mould bullet.
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2008, 01:03:41 PM »
There's some load data on that sight if I'm not mistaken or it got removed.
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2008, 01:13:20 PM »
On this site or Western Bullet?
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 01:18:49 PM »
They removed the data when Western's site was updated, I printed the data out when I got the bullets, but I've never played with them. Powders listed are Bullseye, Red Dot, 700X, Unique, SR4759, XMP5744, IMR4227 and IMR4198, pick your poison and I'll post the data. This data was supplied with the mould in 1999 according to the page.

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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2008, 01:25:55 PM »
Only one of those I have on hand is IMR4198, and getting smokless here in Eastern NC turns out to be REALLY pricy.  Can only get anything that ain't Hogdon's by mail order (ever see the shipping and hazmat fees?).
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2008, 01:31:09 PM »
IMR4198 is 35gr start @ 1722fps, 40gr Max @ 2010fps, Rem 9½ primer, no barrel length or COL is listed. I probably wouldn't reload if I had to buy powder online, we have lots of smokeless powder and primer sources locally fortunately, so I can sympathize.  :'(

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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2008, 02:07:22 PM »
Thnaks for the load data.

Problem is I'm dead between Camp Lejeune and Havelock MCAS. All the MArines here can get powder on base...so the off base stores don't carry much. Think I can get the Hogdon because Walmart and Dick's get it with shipments of Pyrodex and Triple-7.
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2008, 04:00:06 PM »
How about that Unique data?
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 04:05:19 PM »
Unique is 14.5gr start @1638fps, 17gr max @ 1907fps, same primers.

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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 04:16:10 PM »
That data doesn't have the BC for them in it does it? I know its gotta be like .1 something (or less) but I'd be curious.

Figure these are 100 yard or less rabbit killers, which would be interesting in my BC since Deer and rabbit season overlap here.  Figure if I knock down a deer in the morning I can rabbit hunt the rest of the day with only one gun.
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 03:49:14 PM »
45-70 Collar button loads
Lyman 457130 144 grains, discontinued
8 grains Unique 1135 fps
15 grains IMR2400 1300 fps
18 grains IMR4227 1390 fps
20 grains IMR4198 1350 fps
Plinking and small game, accurate to 75 yards
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2008, 05:07:13 PM »
With Unique you'd need filler unless you enjoy hangfires.
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 04:55:34 AM »
Quote from: tykempster on August 14, 2008, 05:07:13 PM
With Unique you'd need filler unless you enjoy hangfires.

And I think even more so with the slower powders listed. I've had good luck with short .45 caliber pistol bullets as small game and plinking loads from .45/70 rilfes.
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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2008, 05:14:17 AM »
XMP5744 is on the data sheet, I use it in the 45-120, never have a problem with it without fillers with well under 50% load density. For the 45-70 w/collar button 30gr start @1685fps, 35gr MAX @ 2001fps.

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Re: 150 gr 45-70 collarbuttons
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2008, 07:13:18 AM »
That sounds like a fun bullet I am "skeered" to find out shipping costs to Canada ::)
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