30/06 TO 375

[tanoose]

I am curious , as to what has to be done to take a Remington 700 BDL in 30/06 and rechamber it into the 375 H&H. Other then a barrel swap does anything else have to be done? The thought of doing this has crossed my mind a couple of times.

[yooper77]

I don't think the 30-06 Springfield length action is long enough for the 375 H&H Magnum, that's why they made the new 375 Ruger.

The bolt face would have to be opened up, but it would be better to use a longer action like a 300 H&H or 300 Weatherby instead.

I would suggest save or sell your 30-06 Springfield and purchase a Ruger Alaskan or African in 375 Ruger.

Or your Rem 700 could be made into a 30-338/308 Norma Magnum or 338 Winchester Magnum, but the bolt face would still have to be opened up for the larger case.
Design a wildcat, 375-338 Winchester Magnum, you can use 7mm Remington Mag and 338 Winchester Mag brass.

Or make it into the new the 375 Ruger, which would involve the same bolt face and barrel change or re-boring.

yooper77

[deltecs]

The 700 BDL action is the longer magnum length action and would fit the .375 H&h.  The bolt face, magazine, feed rails would all have to be changed or modified.  One would be better off to use a magnum chamber first, like the 7mm mag, 300 or .338 with a new barrel.  That way, no modification of magazine or bolt face needs done.  Why not consider the 9.3x62 or 35 Whelan instead.  No modifications to the action are needed for these and are nearly as effective as the .375 H&H.

[kyelkhunter3006]

By the time you got done paying a good gunsmith for all of the labor, parts, and modifications to convert a 30-06 Rem. 700 to .375 H&H, you could have paid for a new rifle, or close to it (probably that Model 70 Extreme Weather we were talking about in another thread?  )

If you want a hammer of a round in the Rem. and you've just GOT to change it, then the .35 Whelen, 9.3x62, and 338-06 are all likely candidates.

[beemanbeme]

Do I remember correctly that the 8mm Rem Mag is a necked down .375??  I owned one ...briefly. I never killed anything with it except any desire I had to own an 8mm Rem Mag.   

[deltecs]

Correct, necked down and blown out .375 H&H.

[Swampman]

I wouldn't want anything other than a Remington 700 myself.  The .375 Ruger while interesting isn't a .375H&H, and you'd be stuck with a Ruger.  Remington is making a .375H&H M700SPS for less than $600.00 right now.  If I wanted to build one myself, I'd just find a used M700 in a magnum caliber to start with.

[tanoose]

Thanks for all the replies , i new the action lenght was the same but was curious as to what else had to be done. I do have my heart set on a new Winchester model 70 in 375H&H so i'll just waituntil they come back Thanks again Tanoose

[Swampman]

They will cost more than twice what the Remington is selling for, and they won't be as accurate.

[tanoose]

Swampman i dont think the 375  H&H when it comes out will be much more then the model 70 all weather model which msrp's for $1149 which is only $70- above the remington 700 xcr price And the CRF is what i am looking for .And as far as accuracy goes, my 700BDL is very accurate but i have a ruger 77 and an H&R handi rifle that both outshoot the remington. Besides all i need is hunting accuracy as i do no comptition shooting.I expect all the new winchesters will be a bit above the old at least for a few years to come. I understand the new ruger 77 hawkeye magnum only gave 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards for the firearms tests done by outdoor life magazine. But this is considered good hunting accuracy. ( for most)

[deltecs]

Swampman i dont think the 375  H&H when it comes out will be much more then the model 70 all weather model which msrp's for $1149 which is only $70- above the remington 700 xcr price And the CRF is what i am looking for .And as far as accuracy goes, my 700BDL is very accurate but i have a ruger 77 and an H&R handi rifle that both outshoot the remington. Besides all i need is hunting accuracy as i do no comptition shooting.I expect all the new winchesters will be a bit above the old at least for a few years to come. I understand the new ruger 77 hawkeye magnum only gave 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards for the firearms tests done by outdoor life magazine. But this is considered good hunting accuracy. ( for most)

Go with the .375 Ruger then.  If you arer looking for CRF with a good price, Ruger is a good option.  The .375 Ruger will do anything the .375 H&H will do with the same bullets at the same velocity.  Hand load and accuracy should improve with the Ruger and you will probably have to do the same with any of the other new rifles to improve accuracy.  Find a load that works well and use it.  Spend the balance of the $1149 for a good low powered varible scope or low fixed power and you'll have a fine servicable rifle for all NA big game and most game world wide.  The .375 Ruger Alaskan has all weather features with iron sights and the excellent built in Ruger bases on the receiver.  A person would have to far to find a better rifle for the price.

[Swampman]

The Remington 700 SPS in .375 H&H is less than $600.00 from Bud's Gun Shop.  The Remington 700 is the most accurate out of the box production rifle you can buy period.  Who knows how long the .375 Ruger will even be around.  If someone other than Ruger (like Savage, Marlin, Mossberg, or Remington) would chamber the .375 Ruger, I might consider it.  There is also the Remington 798 which seems like an excellent rifle.

[Brithunter]

The Remington 700 SPS in .375 H&H is less than $600.00 from Bud's Gun Shop.  The Remington 700 is the most accurate out of the box production rifle you can buy period.  Who knows how long the .375 Ruger will even be around.  If someone other than Ruger (like Savage, Marlin, Mossberg, or Remington) would chamber the .375 Ruger, I might consider it.  There is also the Remington 798 which seems like an excellent rifle.

Swampman you crack me up.

   Oh for your information the gunshop I use as it's on the way the range. Well they now no longer stock Remington rifles as the last ones they had in were so inaccurate. A 223 that could not hold a group of better than 5" at 60 paces is useless and seeign as how they had two that would only group the same with a wide selection of factory ammunition.

    From reading on the net I would gather that the Savage rifles are more accurate out of the box than the Remington 700 or Model 7 I also believe that Howa offer an accuracy guarentee which is something that Remington does not and also Remington are rather cagey about letting on what their acceptance standards are for accuracy. I am not sure how Ruger carries on in this respect sorry about that.

[Swampman]

"Well they now no longer stock Remington rifles"

Because Walmart sells exactly the same rifle for 1/2 what they were asking for theirs.  My friend has a new Howa.  It's about the cheapest made rifle I've ever seen.  The trigger mechanism is very toy like and pot metal-ish.

You just can't beat a Remington.

[kyelkhunter3006]

I've had several of both 700's and Howa/Vanguards, and I have to give the Howa credit as a better made rifle.  The bolt is a forged/machined as one piece, and the action is as well.  There's no more pot metal in the Howa trigger than there is in a Remington trigger.   I will say that the factory plastic stock on Howa's SUCK, but so the factory plastic stocks on most rifles. 

I've had more problems with 700's than any other brand to be honest, but they still have good lines and good reputation for accuracy.

You can beat a Remington, both $$$ value and accuracy, out of the box.  I've seen it more than once and will continue to see it in the future.  Remington is good, it's not the best by a long shot.

[Brithunter]

"Well they now no longer stock Remington rifles"

Because Walmart sells exactly the same rifle for 1/2 what they were asking for theirs.  My friend has a new Howa.  It's about the cheapest made rifle I've ever seen.  The trigger mechanism is very toy like and pot metal-ish.

You just can't beat a Remington.

  LOL we don't have Walmart so your excuses are weaker and weaker and your looking dafter and dafter.

   A little piece of advice that might be useful:-

When in a hole stop digging 

[kyelkhunter3006]

Yeah, I wasn't going to mention that you don't have Wal-Mart over there.     I figured, oh, what's the point.  LOL  Like your name doesn't give it away?

[Swampman]

They still let folks own guns over there?

[Brithunter]

They still let folks own guns over there?

Now that's just too pathetic to answer. I figure an 10 year old could have done better.

Bye Bye

It's night nights time for me now.

[Mike Britton]

Seriously,Brithunter, do you folks have access to long guns? Just what are the gun control laws there?

[Swampman]

I think they can own one sharp stick, not over 6".

[Brithunter]

Seriously,Brithunter, do you folks have access to long guns? Just what are the gun control laws there?

  To actually post the laws regarding the private ownership of guns here would be too long, I did once before on another forum some years back which is how I can say this for fact, that forum is not longer active and I wouldn't know where to look fo archive stuff  however yes both rifle and shotgun ownership is possible and increasing much to the antis and govenments disgust  pistols are the sticky one whilst it's possible, due to an ommission in their stupid law banning them, but to be shot on any range they have to be Long barreled pistols and have a permanant wrist brace fitted. Long barrel means 12" of more but I am not sure s I never looked into it. Taurus make one especially for the UK market.

     Deer stalking is becoming more and more popular and we can hunt deer ALYEAR ROUND  as we have six huntable species so there is something is in season all year the venison can also be sold. Rbbits can also be shot all year round as they have not seasons being classed as an argicultural pest same goes for Pigeons although due to some stupid EU rules now shootign to control them is the last resort  .

     Antiques can be possessed without licence but cannot be shot unless put onto a FAC (Firearms Certificate) which is the official name for the licence. There is also an Obsolete cartridge list and any weapons chambered for those on that list may be possessed without an FAC.

    As for me well I have a few rifles  and in fact am about to handload a few more 6mm Remington cartridges with a test laod and head off to the range, I might even call in the gunshop on the way back ............................. yep it's open on Sundays until 8 pm just like the rest of the week, they only close a couple of days a year Christmas day and Easter Sunday.

   as for swampman  well they have prooved to be totally juvinile and frankly quite pathetic, I had my doubts about them actually having it "fully up top" but it just goes to show allow enough rope and they will hang themselves  from now on nothing they post will be taken notice off as it's obvious to me that perhaps they should be under care in some institution.

[Swampman]

It's pretty tough for a foreigner to understand how things are here in America.  We are free thinkers, we don't care what others think, and we know our guns because we actually own them.

Buy the Remington Model 700SPS in .375 H&H and you won't have to worry about your rifle letting you down.  You'll also have an instant collectors item because they are only producing 500 of them.

[Mike Britton]

So tell me, Brithunter, do you folks hunt rabbits with .22s? Some of the most enjoyable memories of my life involved a few hundred acres of woods, a.22, and a fall day hunting squirrels, and rabbits. I have been to the Cotswolds, and thought at the time how much fun it would be to walk some of those rural paths with a .22.

[beemanbeme]

Now now, Brit. You've become very adept at bashing Remingtons. You've even taken to parroting the post of the Savage cultist: "most accurate out of the box.....etc".  You need to be careful about believing too much of what your read in cyberspace. Unless it's from a really valid source or you may start using your own post as a basis of fact. 
Sorry your shop keeper no longer stocks Remingtons. Considering that you've condemned Remington's entire output on the alledged performance of one rifle --you never did tell us if Remington was contacted for satisfaction or not-- it's probably just as well.

[Brithunter]

Hi beemanbeme,

       Remington don't deal direct with dealers in the UK anymore although they once used to, easier to artifically control the prices this way no doubt which is why they are so high here. The factory appointed importer replaced the first rifle but it's replacement shot equally badly and that was the final straw as far as this gunshop was concerned. I was in there this afternoon buying some more CCI Velocitor as I was down to 10 rounds after range testing, hopefully I can catch a couple of Rabbits on the field with it as with a 25 meter zero at 75 meters the POI is just on the thicker point of the duplex of the Simmons scope just need to check POI at around 50 meters or yards  . I actually saw a Remington tucked away in the corner at the shop probably one the importers refused to take back  not surprising as it was one of them plastic jobbies either a 710 or 770.

   I see they have replaced the Remingtons with Howa's on the racks and that's a recent thing as they didn't have them the time before I was in there that I noticed and that was a week ago. Howa's have a fairly new importer here which also might account for it?

    Whilst I never owned a Savage a good buddy in Missouri used to shoot 600 yard high power with a Savage 112BV I think the model was. It's a heavy barreled varmint/taret type with skeleton buttstock I say was as it's now a custom bench rest gun with Lija 243 AI barrel and fancy BR stock he shoots 600 yard Hi Power and BR with it although last year he built two more rifles with Broughton barrels in 6.5x284. The Savage is getting on for a comp gun as he built it up back in 04 however he was getting 1/2 MOA groups at 600 yards with it. The other Savage bolt rifle that I came into contact with most was one owned by the Club at Bisley as a loaner, it was a .223 synthetic stocked rifle that was accurate with RG 5.56 ammo however it developed bolt problems from abuse over a period of several years and so was replaced. I moved while the replacing was going on so don't know what they got as a replacement.

    As for making a call on only one rifle ................. nope not guilty your honour  the shop got a replacement which was just as bad ( No2) and the same buddy in Missouri brought a pair of new Remingtons early in the new century ( 2001-2002) a 700 ADL in 280 and a model 7 in .243 both were rubbish and returned to Remington for appraisal and correction but both were returned as meeting Remingtons quality standards as well as being pretty poor in the accuracy department the Model 7 has a butt stock that was like the sea all wavy and plainly improperly finished however it was the ADL which really dissapointed being really poor in grouping ablity. This guy shoot BR and Hi power competively and was unable to get this particular rifle to group in under 3" at 100 yards. Remington said it was fine so it was traded off probably to be ripped apart for the action that once it was re-machined to correct the poor manufacture would be the bassis of a BR rifle. I am not sure that's what he did but he really was peeved with Remington for selling such junk and vowed never to buy from them again. so thats' Nos 3 & 4. Actually I only know one other person who brought a Rem bolt action and that was an early VSS in .223 which was fine. I shot that one several times and it was shooting this rifle which proved to me that the Rem 700 is a horrid rifle. Sure it was accurate with his handloads but an awful thing to shoot, uncomfortable and frankly quite rough in operation. Now I would not have a Rem 700 or Model 7 as a gift.

So tell me, Brithunter, do you folks hunt rabbits with .22s? Some of the most enjoyable memories of my life involved a few hundred acres of woods, a.22, and a fall day hunting squirrels, and rabbits. I have been to the Cotswolds, and thought at the time how much fun it would be to walk some of those rural paths with a .22.

 Oh you mean like this :-



BSA Superpsort Five fitted with a sound modrator, barrel has been cut back to 16 1/2 inches and threaded 1/2 UNF.

Although shooting from a Public right of way such as footpath is illegal!

I also used to shoot these with the 22LR:-



We don't have many round here too flat and not enough trees.

  Talking to the guy in the gunshop today he was saying that up on the hills they have a major rabbit problem again and the pest controllers are shooting up to 80 rabbits a night and that's just by sitting on one spot using Sound Mods and .22LR rifles with sub sonic ammo. The game dealers are swamped with rabbit right now. We don't have the same problems here on the fens but with the harvest going on we should see more rabbits about so fingers crossed  More pest control but with centerfire:-



Nice Dog fox, rifle is a BSA Model E from about 1952 in 303.

  As for the resident nutter well I have several good friends in the US all of which shoot and have guns, some have lots of guns and even collect as well as shoot and compete. Funny thing though only one has any affection for Remingtons so from my small sample less than 15% like Remingtons! Nice sharp sticks though don't ya think?

[Mike Britton]

my Uncle had about 125 acres in Hunt county Texas back in the '60's. All the ranchers in the area had killled off most of the predators and we were overrun with cottontails. You could easily go through a brick of ammo a weekend if you wanted to.
Now, everywhere in the area is so built up with houses, there are few places to shoot anymore.

[kyelkhunter3006]

Oh Brit, if only I could get my hands on a .303 like that one, I'd be in heaven!!    Sweet sweet gun. 

[Brithunter]

Thank you  They also did them in 30-06 and 270 Win although I have never seen one  seems most were exported. I have seen two of them in person this one and one in a Gunshop in Norfolk a couple of years back. This one has been used for Fox as you see and  Fallow Deer the scope is an old Pecar Berlin 3-7x36 in P-H rings.

[kyelkhunter3006]

My Grandpa (God rest his soul) had many hunting stories involving the .303, 8x57, and 9x57, etc, in his younger days.  He was originally from Chesterfield, after he was discharged from the Navy his father and he immigrated to Africa, first Rhodesia (I think it was) and then on to Zambia.  After getting married and having 3 kids, the family decided to move to Iowa for him to attend chiropractic school. 

Anyway, he had a ton of African hunting stories about the good old calibers and the game he used them on.  His stories about Enfields and the .303 left a soft spot in my heart for the old warhorse.  I keep searching for the my ultimate .303, tons of Enfield sporters have passed through my hands, and I'm still looking.  I have a feeling that it's going to end up being a Ruger #1 that gets rebarreled to make me happy.

Unless of course I can find a rifle similar to yours! 

Oh, BTW my Grandpa's favorite caliber of the bunch (other than the .303) was the 9x57.  He said he loved how that bigger bullet at lower velocity put down the game.