Author Topic: carriage wood (Read 4006 times)

dan610324 · « **on:** August 15, 2008, 02:28:41 PM »

is there anyone here who could helping me to find some more exotic woods for building carriages .
what Im looking for is rare things as ebony and other fancy things .
I know there is some companies who sell small pieces for extreme high amounts of money both in the us and here in europe .
but I would like to find an sawmill or exporter directly , no middlehands .
if you got any good ideas please help me .

GGaskill · « **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2008, 02:52:35 PM »

There must be a specialty wood importer in Sweden somewhere. Shipping from here would kill you.

thelionspaw · « **Reply #2 on:** August 15, 2008, 04:14:00 PM »

Dan,
Here is what I do and I am sure you can too. Look for an importer of things that come in on pallets. Africa, Asia, South America are great. For us over here, even U.S. made pallets are sometimes great.

I get bird's eye maple, tiger striped woods and teak, bloodwood, etc.. Of course there is alot of trash wood, only good for warming yourself. Pallets are normally disgarded as, "get it out of here" trash.

My friend has a sawmill and just paneled a room with alternating African Bloodwood and teak. It came in as pallets. I have used it in my VERY EXPENSIVE furniture designs.

A great source for wood turners, do-dad makers and miniature artillery carriages.

Richard "The Dumpster Diver"

dan610324 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2008, 12:00:05 AM »

yes of course there are importers here also for exotic wood , but from the sawmill to the company who sell the wood its to many middlehands and the price will be to high . as an example I can tell that oak cost 6 500 us dollars per cubic meter here to buy , and that is produced in this country . then you can imagine what it will cost if we talking imported wood .
as I dont do this for a living and not have any incomes at all from this but only expenses I must try to find me an good source for the wood . any ideas are good ideas

pallet wood are an good idea , I must start thinking about it . the only problem now is that I dont know of any company here who imports anything . but I will start asking around by friends for ideas

thelionspaw · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2008, 05:36:02 AM »

We see the pallets piled up around buildings here. Keep a sharp weather eye out as you travel. If you see a pile; poke-about. It will take alot of looking. You can probably eye-ball a stack without moving any. What is different, should standout. I have no idea what your master plan is but for making the little guys, one pallet would last you for a life-time of tinkering. Try a factory/industrial area.

Right now, I have teak, black walnut, red oak, Bird's eye maple, curly maple, curly ash and I think Rosewood in my lumber loft, besides who-knows-what.

Here is another idea for you: Used furniture. Auction house. Bid or scrounge the ever-present pile of crappola out back that didn't sell. We have Good-Will, Salvation Army, charity and thrift stores that are a good source too.

I'm half Polish and we have a knack for things like this. "Free for nah-dink? Take! Hiff it don yit; kip hit".

Richard "The Hunter"

Cannoneer · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2008, 05:55:57 AM »

Dan, Richard's imported pallet wood may be a way to go but other than something like that I don't know how you can cut out the middleman. The only other way would be to go to the country of origin and purchase the wood yourself or have a friend that's visiting the country do it for you. The shame of it is that these exotic wood importers are the ones reaping the large rewards because the laborers in these countries are only getting a minute fraction of these profits. I have a blank of African mahogany that is 36.25'' x 5.75'' x 2.75'' that I got last year and it cost $57.32, the Central American mahagony is higher because it's considered a finer grade even though it's a lot closer to ship to the states. I don't see how it could possibly be less money for you but there is an exotic wood importer near where I live and I'd be glad to check on the prices of different types of wood and find out what the shipping charges to Sweden would be.

dan610324 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2008, 08:53:20 AM »

the pallets is an very good idea , but so far I have never seen any of them made from anything else then pine and spruce .
but ok I have not been looking either , will start now . but most of all pallets used here in sweden are the eur standard pallets .
importing from usa is no idea , it will be to expensive. my original idea was to find an sawmill somewhere in africa .
but dumpsters and scrap yards are also good sources for lots of stuff , it aint only polacks who are good at that

Cannoneer · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2008, 07:55:54 PM »

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but dumpsters and scrap yards are also good sources for lots of stuff , it aint only polacks who are good at that

I'm going to have to be very careful here so that I'm not somehow accused of being bigoted and enflaming in my enquiry but I'm no coward so why don't you just tell me what your intentions were in making this statement.

GGaskill · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2008, 08:03:24 PM »

See reply #4 above.

Cannoneer · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2008, 08:29:21 PM »

Yes, I read reply #4 where a gentleman referred to himself as Polish. And........

GGaskill · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2008, 09:53:22 PM »

Are your sensitivities offended? Just what don't you understand? Sometimes the internet inhibits communication instead of promoting it.

dan610324 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2008, 10:20:23 PM »

sorry folks but I cant see the problem here ??

intention ??

there was no intention more then just saying the polacks aint the only who are good at searching things in dumpsters and scrap yards .
Im 100% swedish and Im good at that

is there any problem with that

Cannoneer · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2008, 01:03:55 AM »

Quote from: dan610324 on August 16, 2008, 10:20:23 PM

sorry folks but I cant see the problem here ??

intention ??

there was no intention more then just saying the polacks aint the only who are good at searching things in dumpsters and scrap yards .
Im 100% swedish and Im good at that
is there any problem with that

Oh, I understand now, you only meant this as a term of endearment, how silly and overprotective of me to take offense.

thelionspaw · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2008, 01:21:26 AM »

Wow! I'd love to see this play-out but as a point of language clarification: The noun "polak" to a Polish speaker or a european in general, translates to mean, "A Polish individual of male gender". That, is proper useage. English writers often add a "c", making it "polack". One might also venture to say, depending upon intent, that the noun can be used as a slur. Having been raised in a Polish, Russian, Ruthenian (Belarus) speaking household, we used the noun, "polak", (audible as polack), without politically incorrect intent. We use the noun among ourselves as a matter of proper useage. If you are a Polish speaker, you will understand. If one is influenced by ethnic stereo typing, or has been victimized by it, one might take offense. Some of my Polish friends do. I do not. A rose by any other name, would smell as sweet.

Now, let's get back to cannons and mortars, unless you want to discuss kielbasa. I on average, grind, spice, stuff and smoke, 30 to 60 pound batches, 3-4 times per year. That's why, I am

Richard "The Kielbasa Kid"

Cannoneer · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2008, 01:29:57 AM »

Richard "The Kielbasa Kid", moderating words of wisdom, I think I'll take your advice.

thelionspaw · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2008, 01:48:22 AM »

Yo Boomer,
How much kielbasa can I put you down for?

Cannoneer · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2008, 01:51:06 AM »

Quote from: GGaskill on August 16, 2008, 09:53:22 PM

Are your sensitivities offended? Just what don't you understand? Sometimes the internet inhibits communication instead of promoting it.

Are your sensitivities offended? No

Just what don't you unserstand? What is it you think I don't understand?

Sometimes the internet inhibits communication instead of promoting it. Maybe so.

Cannoneer · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2008, 01:55:59 AM »

Quote from: thelionspaw on August 17, 2008, 01:48:22 AM

Yo Boomer,
How much kielbasa can I put you down for?

Well, you may have to refresh my memory; Is kielbasa blood sausage or am I thinking of something else?

thelionspaw · « **Reply #18 on:** August 17, 2008, 02:39:08 AM »

That's "Kishka kielbasa", the one I do NOT make. Blood is not worth the risk. I make a dozen + kinds. "Kielbasa" is the Polish noun for sausage. I add No nitrate, nitrite, sodium. I do almost all european countries kielbasa/sausage. Good food makes good friends. Keep your plate full and your cannon primed. THERE! I mentioned "cannon", so it's O.K..

dan610324 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 17, 2008, 03:11:37 AM »

NOW I GOT A PROBLEM .

I cant understand how the subject could change from carriage wood to sausages

but as we are in to it I must admit that Im also produce my own sausage , but please dont ask me the name of it

I just do as I was teached when I was a little boy by my grandfather .
5 kilo moose meat
5 kilo dear meat
5 kilo fat pork
2 kilo cheese
1 kilo onions
1 - 2 kilo garlic ( I prefer 2 kilo )
2 liter cheap cognac
0,2 kilo juniper berries grinded and soaked in the cognag for 24 hours before mixing it into the sausage mixture
0,3 kilo salt
75 - 100 gram roughly grinded black pepper ( not powder ) I prefer 100 gram
1 coffespoon cayanne peppar

all stuffed into natural sheep intestine
smoked with alder wood and juniper twigs at 75 - 80 degrees celsius for 8 hours ( use much juniper )
then hang and dry in a refrigerator for one week .

but as I told you it is an local mix , something between estonian cheese sausage and mid european salami ,
but I have no idea how my grandfather have got this recepy , he had never been outside the county ;-)

thats jummy with some bread and a few cold ones when at the range shooting
BUT BE VERY SURE BEFORE YOU DRINK IT THAT ITS AN LOW ALCOHOL BEER .
NEVER SHOOT AN CANNON OR ANYTHING ELSE IF YOU ARE DRINKING .

hehehe I was able to squeese in the word cannon in this post also

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #20 on:** August 17, 2008, 03:55:57 AM »

Quote from: dan610324 on August 17, 2008, 03:11:37 AM

NOW I GOT A PROBLEM .

I cant understand how the subject could change from carriage wood to sausages
....
NEVER SHOOT AN CANNON OR ANYTHING ELSE IF YOU ARE DRINKING .

hehehe I was able to squeese in the word cannon in this post also

I cannot possiby think of why ANYONE would this this is OFF-TOPIC.

In addition, we have several precidences of having posted recipies before.

The first principle of cooking I learned from my mother - "Double all the spices".

dan610324 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:55:27 AM »

doubble ALL spices ??

does that also include the cognac ??

if so maybe you shouldnt shoot anything also if you only eat the sausage

Cannoneer · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2008, 03:17:38 PM »

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That's "Kishka kielbasa", the one I do NOT make. Blood is not worth the risk.

Richard, yeah that's the one I was trying to remember, Kishka, I never tried it, my Grandfather would always try to get me to try this stuff but no way, I never gave in. I must be on a blood thing because I was just thinking about duck's blood soup, (I'm too lazy to look up the spelling of the word and I'd butcher it if I tried to spell it off the cuff but I can pronounce it) this I did try and if memory serves me well it tasted kind of like chocolate.

Frank46 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 17, 2008, 05:44:09 PM »

I thought that Kishka was made from ground potatoes, carrots and some other ingredients but no blood. They used to sell it back in new york when I lived there. You could bake it or fry it. Was very greasy. But then its been sometime since I had any. You guys are making me hungry. Getting bact to the origional topic, here in louisiana most pallets are made of white oak. Local newspaper has ads giving them away. You just might try your local newspaper or just a thought, local trucking company. A lot of the flatbed trucks use red oak in the flatbed section of the trailer. Its about 2.5 to 3" thick has a rabetted sides to interlock and is usually cut and replaced as needed. Also a good source for pallets. They also use oak for the stakes to keep loads from falling off the trailer. I made a oak hammer out of one. Cut to size and used large hickory hammer handle for the handle. Hope this can be of some help. Frank

dan610324 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 17, 2008, 11:16:17 PM »

I was looking around here in the industrial areas yesterday but so far no luck ,
but I will continue today .
there is lots of dumpsters I never seen before

Frank46 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 18, 2008, 07:04:21 PM »

Ah dumpster diving. My CB handle used to be the "junkman" for obvious reasons. You'd be suprised what some folks throw away. Frank

GGaskill · « **Reply #26 on:** August 18, 2008, 09:10:15 PM »

You'd be suprised what some folks throw away.

So true.

dan610324 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 18, 2008, 11:56:15 PM »

be so sure I know that , I got an friend who runs an flee market at home during the summer time .
he sells for over 20 000 us dollars each season
all of it comes from dumpsters

Chilachuck · « **Reply #28 on:** August 19, 2008, 03:53:03 AM »

Tell the warehousemen in the area that you are looking for exotic woods. They'll spot some now and then and set them aside. (It used to hurt my cheap soul to toss those in the burn pile just because they were not our "standard" size.)

But, if you aren't having any luck with that route, find the wooden boat crowd and ask them where to get exotic wood for fittings.

Cannoneer · « **Reply #29 on:** August 19, 2008, 03:54:12 AM »

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I thought that Kishka was made from ground potatoes, carrots and some other ingredients but no blood.

Frank46, your right, the recipe changes from country to country and I think possibly even from region to region within a country. The real blood Kishka originates from eastern Europe. Richard is the one who should really be answering this question, he must be napping.

As far as I know the only wood that would be of use for carriage building that would be taken from an American made pallet would be oak, the only other woods that I know of being used are spruce and other kinds of pine. There's one other consideration that should be taken into account and that is that I've been told by a friend that runs a wharehouse that some of the new pallets are given some kind of new chemical treatment to inhibit rot, fungus etc. and though he also said this treatment is reported to be safe, I can bring to mind a lot of chemicals from the past that were said to be absolutely safe at the time and turned out later to be not all that healthy for us. It's just a personal choice but I'll pay the money to get a (at least supposedly) natural piece of wood to work on.