Author Topic: carriage wood (Read 4004 times)

thelionspaw · « **Reply #30 on:** August 19, 2008, 05:26:33 AM »

Nope! Not napping. I answered off-line so I wouldn't be accused of anti-semitism. Franks memory is for a Jewish kishka. Matzo meal and flour are fillers or you can use spuds. The "greasy" mentioned is from schmaltz (chicken fat) the substitute for pork.

Kasha (buck wheat groats) are the eastern european filler. The staple of the Russian army, including the artillery

long before 1898

When I was growing up, I'd have to get out of the house before 6am on Saturday because my grandmother would be boiling kasha for my grandfather's breakfast. The smell would gag a maggot. A black powder cannon

smells sweet compared to kasha. If you shot it from an old cannon

at the enemy, it could be called chemical warfare.

Richard "The Smart-Ass"

Cannoneer · « **Reply #31 on:** August 19, 2008, 06:57:39 AM »

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Richard "The Smart-Ass"

Thanks, for my first laugh of the day! Your description of the kashka doesn't make it sound like it tastes all that great either.

dan610324 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 19, 2008, 10:27:25 AM »

yeah chemicals aint fun, and if they are absolutely safe now it probably mean they will be very very dangerous in 20 years time when they found out that it gives cancer or some other nasty thing .

but 99,99 % of pallets used here are made from pine or spruce, and as Im living in the middle of nowhere its difficult or maybe even impossible to find any forreign pallets here , I have been looking around but no success

still thinking if it wouldnt be the best to try to find an sawmill somewhere in africa and try to import directly from them .

I got some thai teak from an friend, and now Im looking for old apple and plum trees people want to get rid of . they are very beautiful

Cannoneer · « **Reply #33 on:** August 20, 2008, 05:39:09 AM »

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yeah chemicals aint fun, and if they are absolutely safe now it probably mean they will be very very dangerous in 20 years time when they found out that it gives cancer or some other nasty thing .

Dan, I decided to call this buddy of mine that manages a good sized warehouse and ask him if he would keep an eye open for a pristine looking white oak pallet that I'd appreciate him letting me take off his hands. I figured that this oak supply would last me 99 years considering the fact that I would in all probibility only be making miniature carriages with it. Anyway, he then told me that a couple of the big pallet manufacturing companies were now using this brand new and very cheap method (called washing) of treating the pallets with chemicals and he himself would not want to work on this stuff in his home shop. It didn't take me long to come to the conclusion that he was absolutely right in his thinking.

dan610324 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 20, 2008, 05:57:37 AM »

thats probably an smart decission, we sure dont need more of that nasty stuff .
we got enough of chemicals into the body just by the modern food .
thats why I still make sausage and try to buy as much as posible from friends and small local producers . I have also been thinking of having a few pigs each summer . how to turn this post to be a little about cannons ?? now I know

I could use the pig skin to build an copy of king Karl XII experimental leather cannon

yes its true , he did some experiments with an leather cannon .

Frank46 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 20, 2008, 06:15:00 PM »

Boom J, I think you nailed the "Jewish Kishka" recipe correct. There is/was a supermarket which for the likes of me I cannot remember the
name of back in New York (CRS) that used to sell it. Getting back to pallets. The ones I have seen here in louisiana were made of oak as i had a couple of them when I ordered some marble chips to spread in the garden back behind the house. As far as chemical treatments i have no knowledge of this. Another place to check for pallets would be dealers in heavy machinery. This would include items like large motors, pumps, milling machines, lathes and things like that. Those pallets are usually more heavily built so as to support the loads. Frank

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #36 on:** August 21, 2008, 01:05:26 AM »

Pallets often have a one-way trip.
They are standardized for 'a' manufacturer to be compatable with their producs and shipping departments.
With the cost of shipping, they are cheaper to throw away by the receiving plant because there is such a variety.

I know of a fellow who has the contract with Volvo. He takes TRUCKS full of them every week to a field to BURN; gets paid for it.

The average pallet of oak weighs about 13 lbs. Conservatively it takes 4-5 of them to make the 50 million BTU's to heat my house on the coldest days. Yes, I'm building a wood stove to burn 4 to 5 pallets at a time. Pallets are FREE for me where I work. Then I can sort through what I burn for good pieces of oak amoung the junk oak.

Look around - they're eveywhere - some folks advertize 'free pallets' others just stack them up.

Cannoneer · « **Reply #37 on:** August 21, 2008, 03:16:52 AM »

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Boom J, I think you nailed the "Jewish Kishka" recipe correct. There is/was a supermarket which for the likes of me I cannot remember the name of back in New York (CRS) that used to sell it.

Frank46, I think it's Richard that you want to compliment for his Kishka recipe because I couldn't tell someone the ingredients for Jewish Kishka, Polish Kishka or a "stromming" eating Swede's Kishka, (Dan , is that the correct word for herring? I finally found an endearment for Swedes, it was in that book about Gustavus, HOO RAH. Even though it doesn't seem to be much of an endearment.) even if it was Scarlett Johansson asking me.

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As far as chemical treatments i have no knowledge of this.

I scanned the web for awhile and came up with a few of the chemicals that some pallets are treated with. Methyl Bromide is an insecticide fumigant that has already been banned in some states, a couple trade names are Timberguard which is a Permethrin based insecticide that is applied on wood to combat wood borers, termites and other insects, there is also a Propiconacole based emulsion that combats molds. While I think Cat is right about there being different procedures used for the intended use of the pallets, (some pallet companies use a more expensive heat treatment for their pallets and others use no treatment at all) the only way to know would be to take it to a chemist to be analyzed.

thelionspaw · « **Reply #38 on:** August 21, 2008, 04:48:33 AM »

If you burn some of those in a fireplace, you get nice colours in the flames. I know from experience.

Richard "The Alchemist"

Cannoneer · « **Reply #39 on:** August 21, 2008, 06:23:54 AM »

Quote from: thelionspaw on August 21, 2008, 04:48:33 AM

If you burn some of those in a fireplace, you get nice colours in the flames. I know from experience.

Richard "The Alchemist"

I think I'll pass on the chemically induced fireplace light-show (something sounds possibly illegal here), maybe I'll just get a lava lamp and stare at that.

Frank46 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 21, 2008, 05:49:31 PM »

Richard, well thanks for jogging the brain cells. This stuff when either baked or fried actually smelled pretty good. Maybe a difference in ingredients. Course they don't have the stuff here in louisiana. Frank

dan610324 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 22, 2008, 02:45:35 AM »

now I got an log of oak , its for free .
one of my friends have an neighbour that just cut it down .
but the problem now is that it doesnt fit into the trunk of my car

its 4 feet diameter and 10 feet long

I estimate the weight to be approximately 4000 - 4500 pounds now before it will dry . $:-\$

thelionspaw · « **Reply #42 on:** August 22, 2008, 03:05:10 AM »

Dan,
If your calculations are correct (4'X10'), Red oak is 7697 lbs and white oak is 8245 lbs..

Me? I'd plan on moving closer to the log. Although I once found a driftwood beam and dragged it through a main street in NYC behing my Benz. The secret is to be outragous and by the time the people get to close their mouths and stop catching flys, you are long gone.

Richard "The Decoy Carver"

dan610324 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 22, 2008, 03:31:51 AM »

it would be interesting to test , but its located approximately 90 - 95 miles from here

up here in the north we dont have any oak , I must go south to find it .

seacoastartillery · « **Reply #44 on:** August 22, 2008, 05:11:20 AM »

White Oak? Did someone mention White Oak? Now you have our attention! Our primary supplier AND the backup supplier have become unreliable, so we are once again looking for a source of 150 board feet per year of kiln dried white oak in 12/4 thickness, select lumber, either turning squares or greater width for our seacoast cannon carriages . The supplier must be able to cut to 36" and ship via UPS also. Any hints of who to contact, please post them here or send us a PM Thanks.

Dan, sounds like you need a to rent a truck! A pretty good sized truck. We have to go EAST for our white oak, there is very little of it growing west of the Mississippi River.

Regards,

Mike and Tracy

thelionspaw · « **Reply #45 on:** August 22, 2008, 05:26:09 AM »

How wide?

Richard "The Investigator"

seacoastartillery · « **Reply #46 on:** August 22, 2008, 05:54:50 AM »

Richard, We use mostly 12/4 squares, but can also use some 12/4 thick white oak that is 4,5,6, or 7 inches wide as well. Right about now,
I sort of wish I still lived just west of Albany, NY. It would be easier to find this stuff from there! Thanks for your help, Richard.

Tracy

thelionspaw · « **Reply #47 on:** August 22, 2008, 06:54:44 AM »

"Squares"? Do you mean 12/4 X 12/4 like for turning?

That's 3" X 3" right? That's what the Saturday morning Harry Home-owner calls it. If I had a lumber yard or hardware store, I'd be closed on weekends.

You know the guy. He also asks for a "guzzintuh watch-uh-muh-call it".

All of this stock is to be 36" running foot? Clear? Dressed 4 sides?

Can't be rough-cut?

rc

seacoastartillery · « **Reply #48 on:** August 22, 2008, 09:10:55 AM »

Richard, Yes, yes, yea, yea, yea, no, no, it can be. Thks, Tracy

Double D · « **Reply #49 on:** August 22, 2008, 09:11:21 AM »

M&T did yiou check the white oak source on the cannon suppliers list? I don't know how good the link might be, but please let me know. I will be updating that list this winter.

seacoastartillery · « **Reply #50 on:** August 22, 2008, 09:30:04 AM »

Douglas, We checked them about a year ago and they did not have any white oak at all; I checked that link a couple minutes ago and all I get is one of those 404-Not Found windows. We called their new business called Parkerville Wood Products in Manchester , CT up and they don't have anything thicker than 8/4 which is what most yards have.

New link:

http://www.parkervillewoodproducts.com/product-and-services.html Oh well, maybe Richard, "The Meticulous" will find something for us.

Tracy

thelionspaw · « **Reply #51 on:** August 22, 2008, 12:15:44 PM »

Tracy,
10-4! I'm on the case. I'll have my DD5 for you on Monday.

rc

seacoastartillery · « **Reply #52 on:** August 22, 2008, 12:47:34 PM »

Thank you Richard "Broderick Crawford", we certainly appreciate your efforts! That name is a compliment; he was my favorite highway patrolman of the 1950s. I am weird, I guess, because I really loved that old show, "Highway Patrol". I couldn't wait for him to pull that big old Colt DA 38 Spl. out when confronting a perpetrator. He held it just like one of "Charlie's Angels" with the barrel at about an 80 degree angle. What upset me was the fact that I could never hit the TV screen with my dart gun when I held my gun like my hero did! Many bad guys got away from me, because I copied the "Angel's grip"!!

Thanks Richard,

Tracy

thelionspaw · « **Reply #53 on:** August 22, 2008, 02:13:21 PM »

Brodrick Crawford was a real "flat foot". He had flat feet. Remember how he schlepped. He was always out of breath too.

I remember when I was sitting in the kitchen with one of the Angels having coffee. Her husband was an artist. She kept staring at me and finally said, "You don't recognize me?". I said, "Sure but what's the big-deal". Nice girl. Quiet, shy. Never held a gun on me. A regular person. Like James Earl Jones. With him, what you see, is what you get. I'd vote for him anytime. I've chopped alot of wood for him. He has over 50 pieces of mine.

Check-out www.woodfinder.com You can find White Oak suppliers by state. In the meantime, I'll see a friend of mine who owns a mill and a kiln. Also, I'm listed with a group of wood-choppers. try www.woodnet.com They are all local operations.

We're already into the weekend so I'll have to wait until Monday or Tuesday. 12/4 is probably going to be custom cut if one of my yards doesn't have it. I'll have to see whose logging etc.. I get 12/4 and alot larger in Bass and Popple for carving. Cedar too; from another friend with a mill.

I can make no promises. We'll see what we shall see. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

rc

Double D · « **Reply #54 on:** August 22, 2008, 03:20:21 PM »

21-50 to headquarters if you find any on line lumber company with the size you want let me know.

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #55 on:** August 22, 2008, 04:04:34 PM »

Maybe Lance knows of someone local here that does white-oak. (As long as you (M&T) are coming through.)

Frank46 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 22, 2008, 05:19:48 PM »

Dan, that red oak is some strong stuff. When I first moved here there was a red oak tree that had fallen when hurricane andrew came through here. It took me about two years to finally chop it up and burn it. On one occasion went through two chain saw chains just to try and get into small enough chunks to move. An axe would just bounce off. I don't use dull tools and was suprised at how tough it was.
Guard that log well. Frank

thelionspaw · « **Reply #57 on:** August 22, 2008, 05:37:14 PM »

DD
In America, that's a 10-1 and America is East of the GWB.

rc

Double D · « **Reply #58 on:** August 22, 2008, 05:43:13 PM »

I got a couple of planks of white oak that came out my sons yard in 2003. Spent almost two and a half years under the house all stickered up in VA, then another 2 1/2 years in a storage locker in Challis Idaho. On I think is 8' x 2" X 12" three or four others 2" inch by 6" and/or 8". By the way that is a honest machinist inch not tha undersized caprenters inch,

dan610324 · « **Reply #59 on:** August 22, 2008, 06:15:02 PM »

now Im a bit confused , could anyone explain for me what 12/4 means ??
and whats the difference between white oak and red oak ??
what I know there is only oak here in sweden , maybe Im wrong Im no carpenter .
whats their latin names ??
anyone having pictures where I can see the difference , or can you describe it for me ??
what is best to use for carriages ?? white or red ?? why ??

what I found out here from old archive most artillery carriages was made of birch here in sweden , ok the larger was made of oak , but all the naval carriages was made from oak .

please straighten out the questionmarks for me .