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Neoconned Again....! (Or how to get called a libber)
« on: August 16, 2008, 12:59:23 AM »
We would all be better off if Bush would just stay on vacation in Crawford until the election is over. How the neocons have destroyed the Reagan legacy....TM7

President Bush, Will You
Please Shut Up?
By Paul Craig Roberts
8-16-8
 
The neoconned Bush Regime and the Israeli-occupied American media are heading the innocent world toward nuclear war.   
 
Back in the Reagan years the National Endowment for Democracy was created as a cold war tool. Today the NED is a neocon-controlled agent for US world hegemony. Its main function is to pour US money and election-rigging into former constituent parts of the Soviet Union in order to ring Russia with American puppet states.   
 
The neoconservative Bush Regime used the NED to intervene in Ukrainian and Georgian internal affairs in keeping with the neoconservative plan to establish US-friendly and Russia-hostile political regimes in these two former constituent parts of Russia and the Soviet Union. 
 
The NED was also used to dismember the former Yugoslavia with its interventions in Slovakia, Serbia, and Montenegro. 
 
Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, told the Washington Post in 1991 that much of what the NED does "today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."
 
The Bush Regime, having established a puppet, Mikhail Saakashvili, as president of Georgia, tried to bring Georgia into NATO.   
 
For readers too young to know, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was a military alliance between the US and Western European countries to resist any Soviet move into Western Europe [and to ensure European countries lined up behind the US, and bought its weapons systems. Editors] . There has been no reason for NATO since the Soviet Union's internal political collapse almost two decades ago. The neocons turned NATO into another tool, like the NED, for US world hegemony. Subsequent US administrations violated the understandings that President Reagan had reached with Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet leader, and have incorporated former parts of the Soviet empire into NATO. The neocon goal of ringing Russia with a hostile military alliance has been proclaimed many times.
 
Western European members of NATO balked at the admission of Georgia, as they understood it as a provocative affront to Russia, on whom Western Europe is dependent for natural gas. Western Europeans are also disturbed at the Bush Regime's intentions to install ballistic missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic as the consequence will be Russian nuclear cruise missiles targeted on European capitals. Europeans don't see the advantage of helping the US block Russian nuclear retaliation against the US at the expense of their own existence. Ballistic missile defenses are not useful against cruise missiles.   
 
Every country is tired of war except for the US. War, including nuclear war, is the neoconservative strategy for world hegemony. 
 
The entire world, except for Americans, knows that the outbreak of armed conflict between Russian and Georgian forces in South Ossetia was entirely due to the US and its Georgia puppet, Saakashvili. Americans, alone in the world, are unaware that the hostilities were initiated by Saakashvili, because Bush, Cheney and the Israeli-occupied American media have again lied to them.
 
Everyone else in the world knows that the unstable and corrupt Saakashvili, who proclaims democracy and runs a police state, would not have taken on Russia by attacking South Ossetia unless given the go-ahead by Washington.
 
The purpose of the Georgian attack on the Russian population of South Ossetia is twofold:   
 
To convince Europeans that their action in delaying Georgia's NATO membership is the cause of "the Russian aggression" and that to save Georgia from conquest Georgia must be given NATO membership.
 
To ethnically cleanse South Ossetia of its Russian population. Two thousand Russian civilians were targeted and killed by the US-equipped and trained Georgian Army, and tens of thousands fled into Russia. Having achieved this goal, Saakashvili and his puppet-masters in Washington quickly called for a cease fire and a halt to "the Russian invasion." The hope is that the Russian population will be afraid to return or can be prevented from returning, thus removing the secessionist threat.
 
No doubt the Bush Regime can con the American population, just as it did with Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, Iranian nukes, and 9/11 itself, but the rest of the world is not buying it, not even America's bought-and-paid-for European allies. 
 
Writing in the Asia Times, Ambassador M. K. Bhadrakumar, a former career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service, notes the disinformation that is being peddled by the Bush Regime and the US media and reports that "at the outbreak of violence, Russia had tried to have the United Nations Security Council issue a statement calling on Georgia and South Ossetia to immediately lay down weapons. However, Washington was disinterested."
 
Amb. Bhadrakumar notes that the American and Georgian resort to violence and propaganda has brought an end to the Russian government's belief that diplomacy and good will can bring about a settlement of the South Ossetia issue. If Russia wished, Russia could terminate Georgia's existence as a separate country at will, and there is nothing the US could do about it.
 
It is certain that the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia was a Bush Regime orchestrated event. The American media and the neocon think tanks were ready with their propaganda blitzes. Neocons had ready a Wall Street Journal editorial page article for Saakashvili that declares "the war in Georgia is a war for the West."   
 
Faced with the collapse of his army when Russia sent in troops to protect South Ossetians from the Georgian troops, Saakashvili declared: "This is not about Georgia any more. It is about America, its values."
 
The neocon Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C., quickly called a conference hosted by warmonger Ariel Cohen, "Urgent! Event: Russian-Georgian War: A Challenge for the U.S. and the World."
 
The Washington Post hosted neocon Robert Kagen's war drums, "Putin Makes His Move."   
 
Only a fool like Kagen could think that if Putin intended to invade Georgia he would do so from Beijing, or that after sending the American-trained Georgian army in flight, he would not continue and conquer all of Georgia in order to put an end to American machinations on Russia's most sensitive border, machinations that are likely to eventually end in nuclear war.   
 
The New York Tiimes hosted Billy Kristol's rant, "Will Russia Get Away With It?" Kristol thunders against "dictatorial and aggressive and fanatical regimes" that "seem happy to work together to weaken the influence of the United States and its democratic allies." Kristol presents a new axis of evil--Russia, China, North Korea and Iran--and warns against "delay and irresolution" that "simply invite future threats and graver dangers."
 
In other words, "attack Russia now."   
 
Dick Cheney, the insane American Vice President telephoned Saakashvili to express US solidarity with Georgia in the conflict with Russia and declared: "Russian aggression must not go unanswered. Only an idiot would tell Saakashvili anything other than "to cease immediately."
 
What must be the effect on US Intelligence services and the US military of Cheney's propagandistic and irresponsible statement of US support for Georgia's war crimes? Does anyone really believe that the CIA or any US intelligence service told the vice president that Russia opened the conflict with an invasion? Russian troops arrived in South Ossetia after thousands of Ossetians had been killed by the Georgian attack and after tens of thousands of Ossetians had fled into Russia to escape the Georgian attack. According to news reports, Russian forces have captured Americans who were with the Georgian troops directing their attack on civilians.   
 
The US military certainly has no resources for a war against Russia on top of lost wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and a planned war with Iran.
 
With its Georgian venture, the Bush Regime is guilty of a new round of war crimes. What will be the consequence?   
 
Many will reply that having got away with 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, and with its preparations for attacking Iran, the Bush Regime will get away with its Georgian venture as well.   
 
Possibly, however, this time the Bush Regime has overreached. 
 
Certainly Russia now recognizes that the US is determined to exert hegemony over Russia and is Russia's worst enemy.   
 
China realizes the US threat to its own energy supply and, thereby, economy.   
 
Even America's European allies, chafing under their role of supplying troops for America's Empire, must now realize that being an American ally is dangerous and has no benefits. If Georgia becomes a NATO member and renews its attack on South Ossetia, it must drag Europe into a war with Russia, a main supplier of energy to Europe.
 
Moreover, if Russian troops are sent across European frontiers, there is nothing to stop them.
 
What does America offer Europe, aside from the millions of dollars it pays to buy off Europe's political leaders to insure that they betray their own peoples? Nothing whatsoever.   
 
The only military threat that Europe faces comes from being dragged into America's wars for American hegemony.
 
The US is financially bankrupt, with budget and trade deficits that exceed the combined deficits of the rest of the world together. The dollar has wilted. The American consumer market is dying from the offshoring of American jobs and, thereby, incomes, and from the wealth effect of the real estate and derivatives collapses. The US has nothing to offer Europe. Indeed, American economic decline is killing European exports by driving up the value of the euro.   
 
America long ago lost the moral high ground. Hypocrisy has become America's best known hallmark. Bush, the invader of Afghanistan and Iraq on the basis of lies and deception, thunders at Russia for coming to the defense of its peacekeepers and Russian citizens in South Ossetia. Bush who ripped Kosovo out of Serbia's heart and handed it to the Muslims, has taken an adamant stand against other separatist movements, especially the South Ossetians who wish to be part of the Russian Federation.
 
The neoconned Bush Regime is furious that the Russian bear was not intimidated by the US supported aggression of the American puppet state, Georgia. Instead of accepting the act of American hegemony that the neocon script called for, Russia sent the Americanized Georgian army fleeing in fear.
 
Having failed with weapons, the Bush Regime now unleashes the rhetoric. The White House is warning Russia that failure to acquiesce to US hegemony could have a "significant, long-term impact on relations between Washington and Moscow."   
 
Do the morons who comprise the Bush Regime really not understand that short of a surprise nuclear attack on Russia there is nothing whatsoever the US can do to Moscow?
 
The Bush Regime owns no Russian currency that it can dump. The Russians own US dollars.
 
The Bush Regime owns no Russian bonds that it can dump. The Russians own US bonds.
 
The US can cut Russia off from no energy supplies. Russia can cut America's European allies off from energy.   
 
President Reagan negotiated the end of the cold war with Soviet President Gorbachev.,The neoconservatives, whom Reagan fired and drove from his administration, were furious. The neocons had hoped to win the cold war, thereby establishing American hegemony.   
 
The Republican Establishment reestablished its hegemony under Bush 1st that it had lost to Ronald Reagan. With this feat, intelligence was driven from the Republican Party.

 
The neocons engineered their comeback with the First Gulf War and their propaganda, pure lies, that Iraqi troops bayoneted Kuwait babies in hospitals.
 
The neocons made a further comeback with President Clinton, whom they convinced to bomb Serbia in order to permit separatist movements to become independent states dependent on America.   
 
With Bush 2nd, the neocons took over. Their agenda, American world hegemony, includes Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.   
 
So far the schemes of these ignorant and dangerous ideologues have come a cropper. Iraq, formerly in the hands of secular Sunnis who were a check on Iran, is, after the American invasion and occupation, in the hands of religious Shi'ites allied with Iran.
 
In Afghanistan, the Taliban are resurgent, and a large NATO/US army there is unable to control the situation.
 
One consequence of the neocons' Afghan war has been the loss of power of the American puppet president of Pakistan, a Muslim country armed with nuclear weapons. The puppet president now faces impeachment, and the Pakistani military has informed the Americans to stop conducting military operations in Pakistani territory.
 
The American puppets in Egypt and Jordan might be next to fall. 
 
In Iraq, the Shi'ites, having completed their ethnic cleansing of Sunnis from neighborhoods, have declared a cease fire in order to contradict the US propaganda that American withdrawal would lead to a blood bath. Negotiations on withdrawal dates are now underway between the Americans and the Iraqi government, which is no longer behaving like a puppet. 
 
Last year Hugo Chavez ridiculed Bush before the UN. Russia's Putin ridiculed Bush as Comrade Wolf.   
 
On August 12, 2008, Pravda ridiculed Bush, "Bush: Why don't you shut up."
 
Americans may think they are a superpower before whose presence the world trembles. But not the Russians.   
 
Those Americans stupid enough to think that America's "superpower" insures its citizens from danger need to read the total contempt shown for President Bush in Pravda:
 
"President Bush,
 
Why don't you shut up? In your statement on Monday regarding the legitimate actions of the Russian Federation in Georgia, you failed to mention the war crimes perpetrated by Georgian military forces, which American advisors support, against Russian and Ossetian civilians
 
"President Bush,
 
Why don't you shut up? Your faithful ally, Mikhail Saakashvili, was announcing a ceasefire deal while his troops, with your advisors, were massing on Ossetia's border, which they crossed under cover of night and destroyed Tskhinvali, targeting civilian structures just like your forces did in Iraq.
 
"President Bush,
 
Why don't you shut up? Your American transport aircraft gave a ride home to thousands of Georgian soldiers from Iraq directly into the combat zone.
 
"President Bush,
 
Why don't you shut up? How do you account for the fact that among the Georgian soldiers fleeing the fighting yesterday you could clearly hear officers using American English giving orders to "Get back inside" and how do you account for the fact that there are reports of American soldiers among the Georgian casualties?
 
"President Bush,
 
Why don't you shut up? Do you really think anyone gives any importance whatsoever to your words after 8 years of your criminal and murderous regime and policies? Do you really believe you have any moral ground whatsoever and do you really imagine there is a single human being anywhere on this planet who does not stick up his middle finger every time you appear on a TV screen?
 
Do you really believe you have the right to give any opinion or advice after Abu Ghraib? After Guantanamo? After the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? After the torture by CIA operatives? 
 
Do you really believe you have any right to make a statement on any point of international law after your trumped-up charges against Iraq and the subsequent criminal invasion?
 
"President Bush,
 
Why don't you shut up? Suppose Russia for instance declares that Georgia has weapons of mass destruction? And that Russia knows where these WMD are, namely in Tblisi and Poti and north, south, east and west of there? And that it must be true because there is 'magnificent foreign intelligenc' such as satellite photos of milk powder factories and baby cereals producing chemical weapons and which are currently being 'driven around the country in vehicles'? Suppose Russia declares for instance that 'Saakashvili stiffed the world' and it is 'time for regime change'?
 
Nice and simple, isn't it, President Bush?
 
"So, why don't you shut up? Oh and by the way, send some more of your military advisors to Georgia, they are doing a sterling job. And they look all funny down the night sight, all green."
 
The US is not a superpower. It is a bankrupt farce run by imbeciles who were installed by stolen elections arranged by Karl Rove and Diebold. It is a laughing stock, that ignorantly affronts and attempts to bully an enormous country equipped with tens of thousands of nuclear weapons. 
 
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307396061/counterpunchmaga>The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: <mailto:PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com>PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com
   

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Re: Neoconned Again....! (Or how to get called a libber)
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2008, 01:55:45 AM »
Remember when you didn't' have to use media invented non-words like neocon or fundamentalist.  They are meaningless words that I really hate, mostly used by morons with no interest in what's good for my country.

I've finally decided that conservatives are just as stupid as liberals.

American or Christian is the only label I recognize.  I live in a world full of whackos and it sucks.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2008, 04:43:24 AM »
What words are not made up ? Seems to me that we made them ALL up over time, and add new ones as needed. That's kinda how it works lol

Great Post, TM7 It's utterly amazing that our gov pulls this stuff off, we KNOW it's all lies, but we try to dis-associate ourselves with the evil. We have become a truly Militant country, a world bully. I fear we have not seen a drop in a bucket of the people that will Die for our gov's actions. The world Hates us,  and many parts of the world have scores to settle... with citizens still patriotic enough to do whatever it takes.


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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2008, 09:11:04 AM »
 "and many parts of the world have scores to settle..."

So we deserve terrorism?  That's what you're saying.

I'm glad the world hates us.  They hate us for being what they can never be.....benevolent, carring, & loyal patriots of the greatest nation the world has ever known and will ever know.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2008, 09:18:56 AM »
"and many parts of the world have scores to settle..."

So we deserve terrorism?  That's what you're saying.

I'm glad the world hates us.  They hate us for being what they can never be.....benevolent, carring, & loyal patriots of the greatest nation the world has ever known and will ever know.

LMAO, where do you live ? Surely NOT the USA, we are a Militant group that makes the Terrorists look like a Joke, we kill by the 10,000's We Attack, occupy and pillage any country we want to. We Starve people and destroy their economies via "Sanctions" We are NOT something to be Proud of, we are the epitomy of Evil around the world. We are run by a Corupt Gov that lies to it's people Every day.

The Idea of the USA is a Great one... and I LOVE my Country, but Hate what the Gov has been allowed to become... our lives are in danger because of their actions. They do Not have our best interests in mind. Stand in their way and they will Kill you.  Step out of La La land open your eyes and look around buddy.... were NOT the USA we used to be !

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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2008, 09:58:33 AM »
You sound like Osama Bin Laden's male lover.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2008, 10:34:48 AM »
I love it when simple minds resort to Slander when someone Destroys them in a debate... Have a nice day, Chump  ;D

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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2008, 10:43:05 AM »
I love it when people are so full of hate, they attack things they know NOTHING about.  The only thing you know about is what you hear on CNN.  That's pretty common around here.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2008, 11:59:09 AM »
I love it when people are so full of hate, they attack things they know NOTHING about.  The only thing you know about is what you hear on CNN.  That's pretty common around here.

Agreed Sir. And, by the way, I've asked before and never got an answer. WHAT THE HELL IS A NEOCON??? Sounds like dumcrap talk. POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2008, 12:03:07 PM »
And here comes PowderPuff to add Nothing to the thread   ::)

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2008, 12:16:06 PM »
This is funny a neocon is someone like rush . powderpuff that's funny I LAUGH SO HARD MY TIN HAT FELL OFF!

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2008, 01:46:12 PM »
"Sounds like dumcrap talk."

Mega dittos!
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2008, 02:38:31 PM »
This is funny a neocon is someone like rush . powderpuff that's funny I LAUGH SO HARD MY TIN HAT FELL OFF!

HEH. Don't worry friend, tm has enough tinfoil for the entire country, he buys it by the truck load.  :D :D
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2008, 04:22:09 AM »
No, but it seems to be running real well at neolib central.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2008, 05:30:21 AM »
I have a question for you TM7. Do you hunt down these reprints you post here to stir up a fuss your form of recreation? Is it your hobby or what? I'm really curious.

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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2008, 05:56:42 AM »
TM7 IS A GOOD AMERICAN TRYING TO WAKE  UP THEY NECON.

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2008, 12:19:11 PM »
tm and American should never be used in the same sentence, page actually.
ace. When you refer to Americans, don't refer to us as WE. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2008, 07:54:32 PM »
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I love it when simple minds resort to Slander when someone Destroys them in a debate

Where and when exactly did this "destruction" take place?  All I saw was some trashtalking malcontent spewing his hateful opinions.   ::) ::)
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2008, 08:18:48 AM »
What's a neocon? Had to look that up myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
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