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Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« on: August 16, 2008, 09:37:14 AM »
My son shot a Caribou yesterday morning with a my Handi 30-06 loaded with Nosler 180gr Ballistic Tips.  First shot Caribou was running, at about 125 yards.  Hit high just in front of right shoulder. Bullet should have hit the spine and dropped it instantly.  Blew a hole about the size of a softball in the muscle at the base of the neck.  Caribou stumbled, and ran on for about 150 yards.  There it laid down.  Thinking it would lie down and die we just sat down. to watch it.  After about 10 minutes it got up and started stumbling down the slope.  He took a second shot at the big wound we could see, Caribou fell instantly, this time bullet hit the spine.  I had read that the 180gr Ballistic Tip had heavier metal for shooting bigger game such as Deer, and Black Bears.  After seeing what it did to this Caribou, No penetration at all, I decided not to use them for Grizzly.  Going back to Partitions.  Since he shot the same place both times it's hard to tell just how much damage was done by each shot.  But when we got there a big gaping hole about the size of a softball was at the base of the neck, and I could see the spine.  It took two shots to penetrate 5 to 6 inches of muscle.  This is not acceptable in my book.  Glad I let the three Grizzlies go the night before.

Now that I've got you wondering about the Grizzlies I'll tell you about the rest of the trip.

Norm, my son Skyler, and I, left Thursday morning, going down on the Denali Highway.  Nice drive down, sunny and bright for a change.  One heck of a torriential downpour Wednesday night.  Arrived to a wet but passable trail.  Loaded up and headed toward our secret lake.  When we got to the Gulkana River, water was high.  Skyler said we should go back, but two old stubborn old men said "Na, we can get across".  Norm drove in and immediately started being pushed down stream, even as he was angling up stream.  Then he got stuck.  I stepped into the water and gave his trailer a shove.  The water was very swift, and when his rig moved I lost my support and fell into the frigid water.  Gosh those mountain streams are cold.  I was wet from the waist down, and my hip boots were full.  While I was helping Norm, Sky tied the end of a rope to the back of my trailer.  Sky later said, he thought it would be a good idea.  I jumped on my machine and headed into the river.  I got through the deep hole near the bank, but when I tried to crawl up onto the gravel bar midstream my wheels started to spin.  Norm wadded in to help pull me across.  Water was only about knee deep there.  Norm jerked and I moved about a foot, then stopped.  Norm jerked again, I moved another foot and stopped.  Norm was getting ready for a third jerk when my wheels gripped and my machine moved by itself.  The sudden movement caught Norm unprepared and he lost his balance.  Down he went, totally under water.  After he got up I drove forward and he used my machine for stability till we were on shore.  Mean while Skyler is back there laughing at us.  When we got ashore I was concerned about Skyler because he was driving my old Suzuki that is a lot smaller than the machines Norm and I were on.  Then I saw the rope he had attached to my machine.  He had tied it off to the front on his little machine.  I took up the slack and tied it off.  I pulled him through the deep part, once through that he drove out.  We then went on uneventful till the lake.  Someone was camped at the lake with a float plane so we decided to camp back about a mile off in the tundra.  We pitched our tents, dried off and went to bed. 

During the night it clouded up and without a moon to see by it was pitch black, could not see a thing.  About midnight we heard something outside.  Then a big banging sound as something opened my trailer lid.  We looked out but could not see anything out there but we knew something was climbing around on my meat trailer.  It had to be a grizzly.  Norm reminded me of the blood in the trailer from earlier in the week.  Not finding anything in the trailer but smell it left.  Norm had to go out so while he was out he closed the lid in case it rained to keep the inside dry.  Around two AM again we heard the lid being opened, and something climbing around inside.  After it left I needed to go outside, so I closed it again.  Then about 4 we heard something outside again.  Same routine, only this time we could see a vague shadow moving around out there.  This time the Griz came and nosed around the tent, then left.  This time Norm and I stayed up.  We got dressed and went outside.  Fixed breakfast and went for a walk.  Around six Sky got up and joined me on a knoll about half a mile from camp to glass.  We had just decided to go back to camp for lunch when we jumped this Caribou  I mentioned he shot earlier.

After we got Sky's Caribou back to camp the weather started looking nasty.  Also the Whitesocks (Black Flies) were eating us alive.  We discussed it and decided we should get back across the river, and away from these bugs.  Bears will have to wait.  The trip back to the river was uneventful again, just muddy and slow due to my having a loaded trailer now.  When we got to the river, it had gone down about six inches, Norm went across first.  Just before he puller out on the far side he hit a hole and went in deep.  The current pushed his trailer over and the hitch slipped off the ball.  Norm's trailer went down stream, as he drove out onto the bank.  Norm jumped off and chased his trailer down the river bank, catching it but unable to drag it from the water.  Norm was able to get it back onto it's wheels but he had to jump on top if it to stop it from going downstream again.  Skyler and I made the crossing with no problems.  My trailer is taller off the ground and did not catch as much water and it also was heavier loaded.  Angling downstream Skyler had no problem this time as well.  I unhooked my trailer and drove down to Norm's location to help.  Here sat Norm out in the middle of the river, unable to do anything.  I parked my machine angled downstream.  I pulled out winch cable and using it to stabalize me I wadded out to him.  There I was able to get a tow strap around the tongue and secure it well.  I then pulled myself back up the winch cable to the bank.  There I attached the strap to my winch cable and used my machine to drag Norm, and trailer out of the water.  As we drove back to the truck it started raining.  It rained hard for about 20 minutes, I mean hard, like those eastern thunderstorms with driving rain so hard you can't see to drive, kind of rain.  We don't see that kind of rain up here very often.  Glad we got across the river when we did.  We got home at 2AM this morning, tired, sore, and all bit up.  This Caribou will become Sausage, since we cut the other two up for steaks, roast, and burger. 

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2008, 09:51:35 AM »
I had heard the heavier ballistic tips were constructed stronger.  Sorry to hear they blow up so bad.  Sounds like you had to much excitment for one trip.  I think I enjoyed reading about it more than you enjoyed living it.  DP
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2008, 09:51:48 AM »
Looking back on the other two shots made earlier in the week with this gun and cartridge combo.  Norm shot his Caribou in the boiler room, missing any ribs and into the lungs.  His Caribou was running and fell end over end in a large rock field.  It was still alive when he got there so he cut it's throat.  The fall alone would keep it from getting up.  I shot mine, behind the ear, going straight to the brain.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2008, 02:17:45 PM »
Personally I always considered the Nosler Ballistic Tip a easy expanding bullet. Caribou should be fine but I wouldn't use it for anything larger. I haven't shot a caribou my self, but have loaded some for friends who have. One in particular was a 30/06 using the same 180 BT's. We worked all summer finding a load. It performed perfectly for him. I have used them on countless white tails with good results.

 Def go with a stoutly constructed bullet for the Griz. There are many and the Partition is certainly one of them.

 GREAT read, LOVE to hear hunting accounts!!!

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2008, 02:41:11 PM »
SSHhhh...dont get caught reporting Nosler failures on this site,you will never hear the end of it!Great hunt though,any more pics?
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2008, 11:54:51 PM »
Sorry to hear that about the Ballistic Tip Noslers. I think the Partitions are a better constructed bullet. I always look forward to your hunting stories. You should collect them all and put them in a book as short stories. ;)
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2008, 01:19:26 AM »
After 4 lung shots on a small whitetail buck (and a final shot through the head to finish it off) I gave up on Nosler BT bullets.  I now use Remington Core-Lokts and I've had no problens.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2008, 02:49:13 AM »
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After 4 lung shots on a small whitetail buck (and a final shot through the head to finish it off) I gave up on Nosler BT bullets.  I now use Remington Core-Lokts and I've had no problens.   Thanks for this story no bt bullets for me.

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2008, 03:51:12 AM »
I have always stayed away from Nosler Ballistic tips...My experience was that they broke up pretty bad on deer.... I'll stick to the sierra game kings.... I have never failed to have a complete pass through...

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2008, 04:01:40 AM »
You guys sure go to a lot of trouble just to take a bath  ;D

I have had my suspicions about the Nosler BT's for some time. My SiL is going for elk and moose with his 35 Whelen and he is "fixin" to change from the 220 gr Speer to the 225 Noslers.  Any of you ever used the Nosler BT's on that size game. Black bear or caribou do not count.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2008, 04:47:00 AM »
Do yourself a favor,if you are going to use Noslers on BG stick with the partitions,the rest are quite predictably undependable.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2008, 08:11:50 AM »
Do yourself a favor,if you are going to use Noslers on BG stick with the partitions,the rest are quite predictably undependable.

I agree with that. Although I do use the accubonds on deer to great effect.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2008, 08:17:17 AM »
I have some Accubonds but haven't taken anything with them yet.  How did they perform for anyone that has used them?  I know partitions work as I have used them for years.  DP
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2008, 08:31:35 AM »
I can't speak for the real big game and accubonds, but for deer I really can't tell any difference between the 150 and 165gr partitions and the same weight accubonds performance wise. The accubonds also have shot a little better accuracy wise, although never had a lack of accuracy with the partitions either.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2008, 09:46:07 AM »
I've used Partitions since 1971, They just don't seem to be quite as accurate as the Ballistic Tip or Accubond at longer ranges.  Therefore the reason for the change.  I have been with friends that used Accubonds to shoot Brown Bears, the Accubond did what it was supposed to do well.  I used a 225gr .338 Accubond to kill a Moose at 787 yards last fall, good performance from it there at that long range.  Therefore I am a strong believer in the Nosler Partition and Accubond bullets.  But I was very disappointed with the performance of the 180gr Ballistic Tip.  As we processed the meat yesterday I got a good look at the wound.  Looks like the first shot just touched the right shoulder blade where it literally exploded.  Causing a big superficial wound but not enough to stop the animal.  His second bullet hit the spine and damaged a vertabrea but did not break it up like a partition would have.  This Caribou was just an average size Caribou, slightly smaller than an Elk.  But far bigger than any Whitetail or Mullie.  I will not use the Ballistic tip anymore for anything bigger than a wolf.  Deffinately not for Moose of any Bears. 

I've pulled the bullets and reloaded with Partitions.  I don't shoot anything but Noslers   
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2008, 09:50:24 AM »
I've never shot anything with ballisitic tips other than paper, but a friend tried them on elk in his 30-06, needless to say all he had to show for his effort was the story. I'm sure they would work on a lot of boiler room shots that hit nothing more than a rib, but.... :-\

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2008, 10:06:43 AM »
Do yourself a favor,if you are going to use Noslers on BG stick with the partitions,the rest are quite predictably undependable.

That's BS of the worst order and typical of your war on Nosler that you just can't seem to get past.

The Nosler PT and Accubond both are excellent choices for any use assuming you use bullets of proper caliber and weight for the job at hand. Nosler has never made a secret of the fact the BT is a soft bullet and is made that way intentionally for folks with enough smarts to put them to proper use. Shooting large bodied heavy game in the large bones is not and never has been a proper use of them. In no way does Nosler suggest such use. However if used properly they perform admirably on game.

The ONLY time I've been on a hunt that an elk was taken (not by me sadly) it was taken pretty cleanly with a .270 Winchester using 130 grain BTs. It's all a matter of WHERE YA PUT THE BULLET but some folks never seem to get that message. A BT placed in the heart/lung area of even elk or moose will get the job done. Shoot them from magnum rifles are super high velocity and up close and place them on heavy bone and you are asking for poor performance as that's NOT what they are designed for. All this BT bashing is really showing a total lack of understanding of the design parameters of the bullet. If you are not intellingent enough to use it as it is designed to be used don't blame the bullet for your failure.


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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2008, 04:19:41 PM »
Had a buddy (one of those excellent shot types) use 130 gr. BT .270 on elk.  At around 250 yards, the thing just fell over.  The bullet fragmented into unrecognizable things, but cut the spine.  I can't shoot that straight.  I lthink the advantage of the BT is the point that is hard to deform, hence a decent target bullet.  I also had a buddy use a Partition on an elk, went through without hitting anything hard, so didn't expand at all.  Nearly lost that one.  I will still stick with Hornady interlocks. 

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2008, 05:33:36 AM »
I would have thought Federal factory ammo at 125 yards on down to 5 yards on a small whitetail buck would have been a correct use of a Nosler BT.  I would't use them on game if they were free.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2008, 05:46:32 AM »
See,its our fault when a Nosler fails,not the bullets....dang and all this time I thought all these reports of failures AND nosler saying they had a problem with their bonding process added up to poorly made bullets that shouldnt be used on BG.Just use a Barnes TSX and you wont have to worry about wether you have mad e a mistake.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2008, 05:57:49 AM »
I have successfully used Nosler Ballistic Tips out of my 270 Winchester rifle and 7mm-08 Remington pistol for only deer.

My deer bullet now is the Hornady Interlocks, great simple bullets.

I don't and will not use any Barnes copper bullets, because I witnessed a 100 grain Barnes X-bullet fail to open on an Antelope under 75 yards shot out of a 25-06 Remington rifle.  This was before the 3 pressure rings are cut into the bullets.  For the price, personally Nosler Partions are the best compared to Barnes, loading accuracy and pressures.

If using my 30-06 Springfield with 180 grain bullet for Grizzly, I would choose the Swift A-frame first and Nosler Partitions second.

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2008, 06:49:02 AM »
It would seem reasonable to me to use a bullet that is  more forgiving then a type that requires finicky placement to the point that encounters with bones may cause bullet failure.
Generally speaking I would expect a 30 cal 180 gr bullet from a 30-06  not to come apart and causing only a surface wound on any NA game.

Those that do, would not be used by me.  Value wise I think it is hard to beat the Rem CorLokts  if you can buy them in bulk and they give acceptable accuracy in the rifle.

I regret that Nosler changed their Solid Base to BT's. The SB's were not as fragile.

I admit being partial to the Speer Hot-Cors.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2008, 08:37:15 AM »
I never said the bullet failed.  I just expected it to hold together a little better than it did.  The Ballistic tip is not suitable for Bigger Game.  By that I mean anything bigger than whitetail deer.  Whitetail are small thin skinned game.  Caribou, Elk, Moose, and Bears are definitely too heavily muscled for a Ballistic Tip bullet.  I wient to the ballistic tip due to what I read in the Nosler reloading manual, I was also looking for a bullet that the tips did not deform in plastic cases when hauled around for a couple of hunts.  I'm sticking with Noslers, just not the Ballistic tips, they are a bit too explosive for my taste.  I will use them on smaller stuff like wolves during the winter.  Or if I go hunting in Tennessee for whitetail.  For here in Alaska, you may take down a Caribou with a Ballistic Tip, but what are you going to do when you run into that resident Grizzly that wants to make you and your Caribou his next meal.  Already went back to the partitions.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2008, 11:00:09 AM »
Had a buddy (one of those excellent shot types) use 130 gr. BT .270 on elk.  At around 250 yards, the thing just fell over.  The bullet fragmented into unrecognizable things, but cut the spine.  I can't shoot that straight.  I lthink the advantage of the BT is the point that is hard to deform, hence a decent target bullet.  I also had a buddy use a Partition on an elk, went through without hitting anything hard, so didn't expand at all.  Nearly lost that one.  I will still stick with Hornady interlocks. 

But I do hold a high opinion of Barnes Solid Copper stuff.

The nose on a Nosler PT is as soft as the nose on any bullet made. To believe one passed thru an elk anywhere even the lungs and failed to expand is beyond my mind's ability to accept. Dunno why you or he thinks it failed to expand but I'm here to tell ya I just plain do not believe such stories. If a PT fails to expand then no other bullet you could have used would have either as the nose is pure soft lead.


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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2008, 11:05:45 AM »
After the rebate, a box of .30-06 Remington Core-Lokt ammo cost a little over $10.00 a box at Walmart.  We all know it performs very well.  I'll stick with Remington.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2008, 11:20:01 AM »
It's a BALLISTIC tip. Not a penitrator tip.
They are made to fly strait and fast long distances.
They have better ballistics than most other bullets. That's it.
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2008, 11:31:37 AM »
Just an observation...
I am not pointing any fingers or laying any blame, but when you read a post like this it seems to get out of whack. Its NEVER the fault of the guy behind the bullet. Its human nature, I guess. but no matter what is said or felt, the responsibility is with the hunter/hand-loader. To pick and APPLY the appropriate bullet/caliber? at the appropriate velocity and range to HUMANELY get the job done. Some bullets offer a very wide margin for error. These are the Cor-lokts, Interlocks and Power points. Others are specialized, bike the Ballistic Tips, copper solids and SST's. We as the Hand loaders have the responsibility to pick the right one for the task at hand.

 If you pick a Cheby C10 pick up to run at Le-mans... your gonna get lapped. You made the poor choice, the cheby worked as hard as it was capable of. Its not the chebys fault just like its not always the bullets fault.

Gray Beard said it right. Just because it fits in the gun doesn't mean is appropriate.  The Nosler BT has always been an easier expanding bullet.
  IIRC they made another statement that bullets of BT design in calibers of .338 and bigger where not the same and built fore more appropriate for larger tougher game.

 Sour,
 I agree with you that the Partitions are not as accurate as the BT's. I too would go with them or another premium bullet for larger game.

 Where these hand loads, your some shot the Caribou with? If so what was the load and velocity. How long was the barrel of the gun?  I am wondering the velocity at impact. Also maybe an inquiry to Nosler with the bullets lot number to see if possibly a bad lot got out of the factory? I would think they should be just fine for game up to caribou. I am thinking its either the bullet was driven faster then the normal '06 can and/or combined with a bad lot of bullets.

 Just my humble opinions, ;D
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2008, 11:47:11 AM »
What actually happened and what a shooter thinks happened may be two completely different realities. Case in point: I watched a caribou hunt this am while on the treadmill, the shooters takes the shot, the animal responds to the impact but runs off then slows to a stop and staggers a little, but remains standing. The shooter shoots again and the animal folded right there from an obvious CNS hit, then the shooter explains that the first hit was a little high and he didn't want it to run down into a swampy area and make recovery harder. But when they were filming at the downed animal, it was plain to see the first round was too far back to kill quickly. If a round isn't placed properly, regardless of the bullet used, it ain't gonna work right.  :-\

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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2008, 12:58:03 PM »
Sourdough , Thanks for sharing the hunt with us. Everytime I read your posts, I wish I lived there. :'( :'(.  Sounds like your not happy with the Nosler BTs, Thanks for sharing that experience as well .  Guys I didnt read it as he was bashing the BTs, Just sharing his experience with us, Not the first time around here.  The only thing I use BTs or SSTs  for  is paper punching  or  Little critters, Once again thanks for the story & the info .   Jay { the cheap ole corloc shooter. ;D}
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Re: Real Unhappy With Nosler Ballistic Tip
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2008, 01:44:41 PM »
...a Partition on an elk, went through without hitting anything hard, so didn't expand at all.

The nose on a Nosler PT is as soft as the nose on any bullet made. To believe one passed thru an elk anywhere even the lungs and failed to expand is beyond my mind's ability to accept. Dunno why you or he thinks it failed to expand but I'm here to tell ya I just plain do not believe such stories. If a PT fails to expand then no other bullet you could have used would have either as the nose is pure soft lead.

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How 'bout this scenario:  partition hits elk, pure lead core expands then separates from the solid portion of the projectile taking thin jacket metal with it.  remainder of bullet (at approx. 75% of original weight) continues on path thru said elk and exits, leaving a caliber sized exit hole.  The uninitiated could say it never expanded.  I would say it worked exactly as designed.   ;D
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