Hartford Conneticut joins list of Illegal Sanctuary Cities

[Swampman]

I don't make the rules.....

"3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

[Cabin4]

I don't make the rules.....

"3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

I don't know why your doing this. You've already made your opinion crystal clear: Hiding murderers from law enforcement is a perfectly acceptable process as long as the murderer is an illegal alien. They deserve special treatment and should not answer to law enforcement. Only legals should answer to law enforcement.

You don't need to try and convince me anymore that breaking the law is something you fully and wholeheartedly support. My only question is, do you feel the same way about illegal aliens who are wanted for rape and robbery, or do you only have this preference for murderers?

Appreciate the additional clarification.

[Swampman]

I think harmful crime should be punished.  I don't think working hard to make America a better place to live should be a crime.

[Cabin4]

I think harmful crime should be punished.  I don't think working hard to make America a better place to live should be a crime.

Are you suggesting that I disagree with this statement or that it has anything to do with why I'm the original poster of this thread to begin with?

Maybe if you answered some of the questions I listed, I might be able to get a clue with what your doing. You defend providing sanctuary to murderers and now question me about making America a better place Are we suppose to conclude from all this that you think that America can only be a better place if we provide sanctuary for murderers  and support illegal boarder crossings??

[kevthebassman]

I think harmful crime should be punished.  I don't think working hard to make America a better place to live should be a crime.

Assuming, of course, that the crimmigrants care about America or what kind of place it is..... which the vast majority don't.  The women come over the border 8 months pregnant, drop a kid, then soak up the welfare.  All while working a job off the books so they can live tax-free.

The men come over, work, then sit on the road in AZ waiting for their free ride back home at Christmas time.  That is when they aren't tear-assing around driving drunk and gang-banging.   Who do you think carries dope over the border?   

Swampman, you're generalizing, grossly.  Yes, there are illegal immigrants who are good, hard workers who just want to work and better themselves.  There are also illegals who come up here to steal part of your share of the American dream... looking for the easiest way to get by.  California's health care and welfare systems (and their justice system) are being completely wrecked by illegal immigration. 

[ironglow]

Swampy;
  let's not start another "Scripture duel' some folks get bored by it, but don';t miss the context of the Scriptures you used
  in your post #64..
  The subject, a woman caught in adultry was caught during the comission of a crime. She was hauled before the judges.
  The penalty required death.
  Jesus saved her from the stoning, even though she DID commit the crime. She got her reprieve and was sharply reminded
  by Jesus that she should go (home) and not commit the same crime again.
   I can buy that ! those caught comitting the crime of being an illegal alien should be sent home with the admonition that  they
  better not commit the same crime again.
   
         might not go so easily next time !...

[Swampman]

Punish those few who are a problem(along with American citizens that are a problem.)  Give work visas to those who aren't a problem.

or.....

Completely eliminate Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps, welfare, and disability checks and the problem will go away.

Socialism is the root of the problem.  Americans are sitting at home living off me.  When they have to get a job there won't be any jobs left for undocumented folks.  Without work they won't come here.

[powderman]

SWAMPMAN. ALL of the illegals are a problem, not just some. They shame the millions who have come here legally, followed the rules, our laws, learned and speak ENGLISH. We speak ENGLISH here. To not do so is rude and disrespectful to me and ALL Americans. I personally know an invader who has been here 12 years. he's made no attempt to get a visa, work permit, etc. Made no attempt to become legal, just a real POS. Another  case in Lou of an illegal whose son was murdered a year ago, the media and libs just ate it up. Poor poor misunderstood lady, feel sorry for her and welcome her here. BULLCRAP. A federal judge ordered her deported 2X in 1996, she refused to go. Instead she hid out, laughed at our laws and drew welfare. Truth is, had she obeyed the judge her son would be alive today, father of child illegal too. She's still here, now her illegal mother is here too. Even after all these years she  still REFUSES to learn or speak ENGLISH. Ship her worthless arse out of here. People like her contribute nothing to American society but a drain on our economy. POWDERMAN. 

[Swampman]

I personally know many undocumented workers who are as honest as the day is long.  They just want to work 16 hours a day to get ahead.

I spent the summer a couple of years ago working along side 6 undocumented Mexicans.  I went to church with about 30 Hondurans.  I took the time to lean something about them.  They were all good people.

[ironglow]

Swampy;
  Those people you worked with;
  Being without any documentation
 
  1) How did they pay their fair share of taxes ?

  2) What did they do for a Social Security number, such being necessary just to be employed ?

  3) Obviously, they did not make a fortune, how did they pay for medical emergencies ?

       Yes; there are people born here that sponge off the system, but they are  citizens and we don't need more...

  Sure, they can work for less money..obeying our laws costs real money. For example, my grandson's wife
   ..a young Marine wife, worked for a time as a cleaning person doing offices, expensive homes etc.,  with a
  professional cleaning firm. She was the only non-illegal working there.
      Come the end of the week, say the ladies were each entitled to $350....After FICA, income tax etc she took
  home say... $250..while the illegals took the whole $350 home with them ! The fact is, the illegals could have been
  taking $250 also, and the firm eating the rest up ! If she had not been a Marine wife, hospitalization could have 
  been another $35..making the difference $135 right off.
   In such a case, it is quite easy to see why the illegals can work cheaper...since they start with a $100 to $135
  advantage from the get-go, over honest Americans.

  I am not against LEGALS earning money legally, and on a competitive manner...but there should be better controls
  to prevent illegal activity.

   Suire some politicians and Hollyweird types are opposed to stopping the illegal labor, they get cheap housemaids, cooks,
   gardeners and nannies that way..Perhaps it is time these cheapos started paying decent wages !

[Cabin4]

Illegals do not have a right to be here and no right to put themselves to the front of the immigration line. There are laws and process to monitor and control fair & safe immigration to this country and those that violate it are just selfish becasue they think the rules should not apply to them. Couple this with sanctuary cities and the flagrant violation of federal law by mayors and law enforcement and we have anarchy! The case in San Francisco is proof. People here are calling for Mayor Newson to be held as an accomplis to the murder. He should be.

[Dee]

I personally know many undocumented workers who are as honest as the day is long.  They just want to work 16 hours a day to get ahead.

I spent the summer a couple of years ago working along side 6 undocumented Mexicans.  I went to church with about 30 Hondurans.  I took the time to lean something about them.  They were all good people.

As I said before. The swampman is a harborer of criminals, and is DEFIYING the law by not reporting illegal aliens. SWAMPMAN AND OTHERS LIKE HIM ARE "PART OF THE PROBLEM".
HE IS A CLOSET SOCIALIST. HE AGREES WITH OBAMA, MCCAIN, BIDEN, KENNEDY, AND OTHERS. HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, AND SO ON. And he constantly contradicts himself.

[Cabin4]

I personally know many undocumented workers who are as honest as the day is long.  They just want to work 16 hours a day to get ahead.

I spent the summer a couple of years ago working along side 6 undocumented Mexicans.  I went to church with about 30 Hondurans.  I took the time to lean something about them.  They were all good people.

They should all be deported and if you want to be with them so much, follow them home is my recommendation to you.

At minimum, you should feel an obligation in the effort of fairness and safety to the rest of the people who want and try to immigrate here legally. You should feel an obligation to the rest of America and the legal documented workers to protect them from the potential disease that we are exposed to by the illegals your comforting. You should feel an obligation to protect Americans from getting their identity stolen from the theft rings that are in busioness to support illegals. You should feel an obligation to help protect people from murderers, rapist and robbers being hidden from law enfrocement in the sanctuary cities. If you don't feel this obligation, please read my other posts about being fit or unfit.

The laws are not here for only certain people. If you or your illegals are exept from the laws, please point this out to me in the legislation. I bet the laws apply to us all including you and the illegals you feel compelled to provide safe haorbor for, and find so much comfort with.

[Swampman]

I feel no obligation to anyone except my family.  I don't have a horse in this race.  I don't care what happens to a country that will elect buffoons again, again, and again..

"1) How did they pay their fair share of taxes ?"

It was deducted from their check, same as it is from mine.  Of course they didn't get refunds or rebates.

"2) What did they do for a Social Security number, such being necessary just to be employed ?"

They may have used yours.  In which case there will be more money in your SSI account.  They cannot draw Social Security.

"3) Obviously, they did not make a fortune, how did they pay for medical emergencies?"

They made about $20.00 and hour & worked 12-16 hours a day.  They had worker's comp for work related problems, and our employer paid for non-work related health issues.

They made better money than I did, but they worked harder than I could.

They guy that worked us, closed the business when the undocumented folks went back to Mexico due to pressure from local authorities.  He couldn't find anyone that could pass a drug test or that would come to work.  He just gave up.  I don't blame him.  It's almost impossible to find good help.

This country is going down the toilet and nothing can stop that. 

[Cabin4]

I feel no obligation to anyone except my family.  I don't have a horse in this race.  I don't care what happens to a country that will elect buffoons again, again, and again..

"1) How did they pay their fair share of taxes ?"

It was deducted from their check, same as it is from mine.  Of course they didn't get refunds or rebates.

Cabin4: Since when do all illegals pay any taxes? Ones paid in cash pay none at all but they suck our social services."2) What did they do for a Social Security number, such being necessary just to be employed ?"

They may have used yours.  In which case there will be more money in your SSI account.  They cannot draw Social Security.

Cabin4: I don't want their contribution to my SS account for the small population that is on a payroll system."3) Obviously, they did not make a fortune, how did they pay for medical emergencies?"

They made about $20.00 and hour & worked 12-16 hours a day.  They had worker's comp for work related problems, and our employer paid for non-work related health issues.
Cabin4: Their here illegally and steeling jobs from Americans.They made better money than I did, but they worked harder than I could.

They guy that worked us, closed the business when the undocumented folks went back to Mexico due to pressure from local authorities.  He couldn't find anyone that could pass a drug test or that would come to work.  He just gave up.  I don't blame him.  It's almost impossible to find good help.

Cabin4: Tuff crape on him. Too bad. Run a legal business or don't run one at all.

This country is going down the toilet and nothing can stop that. 

You mean this country is going down the toilet and your doing NOTHING to stop it other than help it flush down.....What a contribution to America. Keep complaining and don't do crap about it.

[Swampman]

Why would I complain?  I'd have to care first.  Nothing can be done to stop the decline and eventual failure of this great experiment.  This country has turned it's back on God.  Social Security (our government) will go bankrupt even sooner without the billions they get from undocumented workers that they never have to pay back period.

They are only doing jobs no one else will do.

I will leave you to stew in your hatered & racism.  Have a good day!

[Cabin4]

I will leave you to stew in your hatered & racism.  Have a good day!

Your a  100% hypocrite Swampman. On another forum you gave another poster the "AMEN AMEN" when they denigrated blacks and here you are calling me a racist because I simply disagree with illegal immigration and sanctuary cities. Your an 100% azz hole. I rather deal with an illegal alien than an alleged American like you.

[Dee]

Hey cabin4! Your startin to figure the swamper out aren't you. He CONSTANTLY CONTRADICTS HIMSELF. I read the same thread, and you are 100% correct on his comments. But I still wouldn't call him names. JMO

[Swampman]

No one denigrated blacks.  Greybeard just stated a fact that you cannot disprove.  Show me one example and I'll change my mind.  I have dozens of close black friends.  I go to church with black folks.  My grandkids are black.  I rest my case.

Dee your constant sophomoric chiming in makes you seem like a kid trying to suck up to a bully.  You're too smart for such conduct.

Not once have I contradicted myself.  You just don't understand reason and logic.  Unlike yourself, hatred is a weakness I don't have.

[Cabin4]

No one denigrated blacks.  Greybeard just stated a fact that you cannot disprove.  Show me one example and I'll change my mind.  I have dozens of close black friends.  I go to church with black folks.  My grandkids are black.  I rest my case.

Dee your constant sophomoric chiming in makes you seem like a kid trying to suck up to a bully.  You're too smart for such conduct.

Not once have I contradicted myself.  You just don't understand reason and logic.  Unlike yourself, hatred is a weakness I don't have.

Your trying to weasel your way out it swamp. You've been identified as a troll again.

Why don't you go help your illegal alien friends break the law instead of posting contradictory posts. Your graping all over the forums now with your hypocritical rubbish.

You've clearly been identified.

[Swampman]

Why don't you cry?

[Cabin4]

Why don't you cry?

okay, but only if you promise to move to Mexico.

[Dee]

swamper, aka THE TROLL

[Swampman]

I'm just trying to get folks to think about the overall picture.  Hating hispanics isn't a solution.  The problem is socialism.  Get rid of all socialism, and what you think is the problem(really just a symptom of the problem) will fix itself.

Fight poverty, get a job.

[Cabin4]

I'm just trying to get folks to think about the overall picture.  Hating hispanics isn't a solution.  The problem is socialism.  Get rid of all socialism, and what you think is the problem(really just a symptom of the problem) will fix itself.

Fight poverty, get a job.

Who said anything about hating hispanics you swamp?  I'm getting TIRED of fixing your name calling. There's gonna be some ass kicking done if you can't stop it. Nuff said. Graybeard.
Never did I or anyone say hispanics. The rules and laws apply to everyone regardless of what country you come in from. By definition, a Mayor is a US Citizen. This thread is about their blatant disregard for the law. Just because hispanics are by far, the worst offenders of illegal immigration is only a reflection of proximity.

Get your poop straight.

[Swampman]

Laws that hurt our economy need to be changed.  The first step to getting over your race problem is admitting that you have one.

[ironglow]

Swampy;
  I think it is unfair top label a person a racist, simply because he wants the laws obeyed..especially the ones that are
  deliberately and continuously broken. Ones that often require compounding crimes..lying to employers, stealing identities;
  stealing someone's SS # (and doing who knows what with it)..I reckon someone that would STEAL your SS#..might just
  use that number to steal other things.
    I would expect that cabin4 would dislike the mechanic that charges for parts not used, slob hunters, child molesters
  and a multitude of other crimes..race of perpetrator notwithstanding.
    "Racist" seems more than ever to be a refuge sought by someone who cannot sustain his argument by logical debate.
 
  The old, tired, race card  is beginning to get dog-eared and wearing thin.

  Let's confine ourselves to the rules of common sense and logic in debate, playing the race card is the first step in casting
   doubt upon the validity of one's own argument !

[Swampman]

I was just hoping to get a few people to examine the facts.  Undocumented workers do a lot of good.  Most don't do anything to get in trouble, because they don't want to get in trouble and be sent back.

It cost nearly $10,000.00 to enter the US illegally.  No one in Mexico has the money to get here legally.  It takes hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes and perhaps 10 years to come here legally.

It doesn't really matter.  Most have gone home now, and our economy is falling apart because of it.  Hundreds of thousands of related support jobs have been lost to other countries and they won't be coming back.  Next time you're in the produce section try to find something grown in the US.

[Cabin4]

It doesn't really matter.  Most have gone home now, and our economy is falling apart because of it.  Hundreds of thousands of related support jobs have been lost to other countries and they won't be coming back.  Next time you're in the produce section try to find something grown in the US.

I get locally grown produce all the time here. You don't know what your talking about on this or anything.

An elementary education would do you wonders. One step at a time.

[Swampman]

Don't let the facts bother you, just keep that mind closed lest you become aware of what's going on around you.