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Offline Malicious_Intent

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Hunting in the Schoharie Valley
« on: August 19, 2008, 02:42:35 PM »
Hello all,
     My name's Casey and I'm completely new to this site, but I figured i'd put my name out there and start this off with a bang. My question is; are there any other NY hunters on here who roam the dense forests of the Schoharie Valley region? I myself live in Gloversville, NY and every Deer and Turkey hunting season, since I was 8, I take a 30-45min drive down and hunt that area for all its worth. I love the area to death. The birds are many times close to if not record size birds. I know for a fact H.S. Strut has sent video crews and hunters to the Schoharie valley to reap the benefits of the green forest and enormous birds. But lately I have been noticing a decline in the number of larger bucks (if any bucks at all) in the area. Just the year before I went an entire hunting season with out seeing a single buck. I saw sign of them every once in a while but it was mostly does that I was seeing and tracking. Of course last year I didn't go cuz, well USAF thought better that I spend deer hunting season 2007 in the middle east bombing Al Qaida. Of course I still applied for the doe permit and got a preference point, only to be shafted this year by getting yet another preference point even with the lifetime sportsman license I have. But back to the hunting. Has anyone else noticed the deer decline but myself?
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Re: Hunting in the Schoharie Valley
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 02:05:12 AM »
Malicious - nice to meetcha (lololol).  Casey, the bucks are still out there but some folk opine that the bowhunters get the first pick (which they do) and that bowhunting early in the season makes those bigger bucks pretty nervous.  I haven't seen that however.

I have noticed a bit of a shift in patterns in that earlier on the bucks will go to ground and the does are the ones out there walkin' around.  I'm pretty close to the Schoharie and I believe whitetail patterns are pretty much the same.  I suppose that if you decide to drive on down way early in the morning that your headlights will probably pick up the herds in the open fields before daylight comes but they just simply disappear after dawn........

I have seen bucks, and the big boys seem to know when the season starts and ends.  There is a newspaper type publication on the stands that I bleieve is called 'Hunting in New York' and it gives some really good feedback and 'heads-up' info on hunting in different areas.  I know that some fellas say the Blenhiem area is a good one, but so is along the Schoharie Creek.  Good luck.  Mikey.

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Re: Hunting in the Schoharie Valley
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 11:26:09 PM »
Hey Mikey,
     Yeah I can definitely agree with you on the bucks taking to ground and not moving much. In past seasons I've pretty much had to walk up almost ontop of them, while doing a drive, and then have them get up and take off. I mean every year it changes as to where they like to breed the does. Mostly thought they seem to stick to higher ground  and there is such a ridge on the Fulton Hill area I hunt. Problem is that they choose it for a reason and that is that it's hard for anything to come up on them; or in my case, get in place, without them noticing. They aren't dumb animals that's for sure. They have skunked me plenty of times when I first started off. I contacted the environmental and biology division of the NY DEC and they confirmed my assumption. They say that since 2005 they have been struggling to bring the deer population up from what it had been, and that being lower than normal due to the harsh winters the deer have experienced in the area. They say that they had a biology service team come down into the 4G (WMU) area and preform research on the local deer herds. Long story short they returned to DEC and next year DEC implemented severely reduced Deep Management Permits. Ofcourse this being 3-4 years later and the analyst I spoke with says that they have seen a great deal of improvement in the area, but it would probably be another 2-3 years (good weather permitting) before we can start seeing normal populated herds roaming the Schoharie Valley again. Thanks again for the response. Look forward to hearing from you again.  Casey (Malicious)
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Re: Hunting in the Schoharie Valley
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 02:43:15 AM »
Greetings Casey;  I've been scouting NYS land just north of there for past couple years but have not seen enough sign to give it a try for deer.  I have a doe permit for 4-A and may give it a try this year.  I actually enjoy hunting earlier in the season in Adirondacks.  Welcome to a great forum!  Al

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Re: Hunting in the Schoharie Valley
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 03:06:36 AM »
Casey:  a couple of eyars ago the winter was so severe in the Hamilton and Herkimer County areas that it nearly klilled off many of the herd there and the populations drapped noticeably.  Also, with severe winters and heavy snows as they had there the coyote populations really savage the herds.  We routinely take coyotes locally during the whitetail season and throughout the winter to help reduce both fawn and doe loss during birthing in the spring.  

Your experience with the bucks sleeping it off during the daytime in fairly common - I will regularly glass the edges of fields and into the woods to look for unusal 'tree branches' that might indicate a set of horns on a sleeping buck.  

I don't know what time you get into the woods or into your stand during season but even for me, next door to the Schoharie, I find that if I am not in place by about 5:30 they can either see or hear me coming in.  I find that even at that time I have to walk slowly, as a whitetail might and stop frequently just to listen - cuz I can't see a thing at that time (almost), get into position and hope to see one chasing a scent or looking for a snack before bedding down for the day.  I can usually see them between dawn (around 6-6:30) and 8:00, and then they are hiding out........  

This usually means early to bed and really early to rise and knowing where you are going to keep the noise down.  Of course, it doesn't help if the ground is frosted without any soft snow cover - which is why I try and walk like a deer - couple of steps at a time and then stop for a bit.  I try to stick to the edge of the fields too.  

The Schoharie has a lot of farms and whitetail who hang out near running water can often be found in the cornfields near streams or rivers in those areas.  A lot of whitetails like to go high during the warmer part of the season where they can find nuts and other natural foods and hardwoods with Oaks or Hickory are good places to set up, especially near the edge of cutivated fields.

If you can find any of the local farmers in that area who might have problems with whitetail before and during harvest times you may find someone who will let you hunt their land.  

I would also get some recent topographical maps and some Encon Traill maps that might help you find better locations and map out routes to get you in and out.  

Also remember that if you are way in there somewhere you will have to haul your harvest out by your ownself so hiking waaaay back in there has both advantages and disadvantages.........and be careful while you are there - if you get hurt or cut and need help a topographical map with laid out landmarks near your position will help get emergency assistance to you more rapidly.  

The Schoharie is a large county and there is a lot of agricultural and I believe timber concerns - perfect places to set up and wait.  You will need permission from landowners and businesses if you want to hunt those areas but it is a good idea to get to know the landowners as you may be able to provide them with a service........ I used to know a apple orchard owner who had terrible problems with Whitetail getting his crop from the ground before he could get to it and he lost a lot of produce - Encon would only give him one extra doe permit which didn't help a lot but my buddy and I helped out for a couple of eyars and that reduced the numbers of Whitetail destroying his crop and it was a pretty good set up until he died and his family sold off the business.  

Good luck on ya.  Mikey.

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Re: Hunting in the Schoharie Valley
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 07:00:29 AM »
i to live and hunt near and in schoharie county. as for winter kill, i am in the woods every weekend in all the statelands hunting rabbits and hare and we have not seen any winterkill in the past 5 years. our problem is tooooo many dmps. i myself enjoy seening deer. so do my children i hunt with. next is we have no feed in these areas due to heavy timber harvest and lack of mast crop in the past 3 years. then put the added food plots everyone is putting in on the private land and poof there goes the deer. my neighbor puts in 75 acers of corn and soybean every year. you can sit in one of there heated/elevated blinds and count as many as 60 deer any morning or evening post. and its leagle to harvest them. to me its baiting. now hunt any of the properties aroud his place( besides the other neighbor that also has plots) and you will be hard pressed to see a dozen deer in a whole day. you can watch them go into a beading area between the two that have food plots. these unnatural food sources draw deer/bear for miles. just my take.
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Re: Hunting in the Schoharie Valley
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2008, 04:04:47 PM »
Hey Malicious - welcome to the site. It is a great forum for all things outdoors. I mostly hunt just a little west of ya', in Otsego county. Definitely fewer deer than there were in the 90's, but still more than when I started hunting in the late 70's. In my opinion that part of the state has a pretty stable and decent deet population. Unlike here in Dutchess county where we mostly have way too many deer, and very screwed up doe to buck ratios. Good luck this year. Be patient, put your time in and you will see deer. Good luck!
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Re: Hunting in the Schoharie Valley
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2008, 08:05:20 AM »
Hello all,
      Well I don't really have too much experience hunting outside the 4G WMU area. I specifically hunt in the Mallet Pond state forest area. It's still pretty broad. I have hunted this area since I started out 11 years ago. I think most outdoorsman in here can agree with me that most times it's not the deer hunting, but the act of being in the woods and all the peace and tranquility that reaches deep into a man's soul and calms his heart and mind. Granted the adrenaline of having that eight point you had been tracking for the past couple weeks, in your scope reticle as you slowly squeeze the trigger. I have been hunting for 11 years now and have spent roughly 72 hours total actually shooting at them and feeling that adrenaline rush, so for the other 96'288 hours just enjoying the ability to all at once let go of everything I have on my mind. But getting back on track I have definately over the years seen a marked decline in deer population in the area. My family and I went from collectively taking 7-9 deer a year (mid-late 1990's), to only 2 deer (2006) which were both taken by myself. Ofcourse to get them I had to take time off from work and hunt during the week as well as on weekends with the family. I do bowhunt also in the same area and I have to say that the deer patterns don't change much in between. Only when the does are ready to be bred do they and the bucks head to anywhere where I can guess accurately where they are. And ofcourse it is the one place in the entire forest that is hard as hell to get to.
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