Author Topic: Shopping for Youth Deer Bolt action - Any Tips on Models and Cartridges (Read 2778 times)

jeclif · « **Reply #30 on:** August 28, 2008, 01:50:33 AM »

look at the CZ527 carbine in 762x39 . it is short light, low recoil,ammo is cheap so he can shoot a lot for less.
down side is it ain't cheap and you will not get it back (you will have to get your own)

yooper77 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 28, 2008, 02:56:56 AM »

I would choose the Remington youth model 7 first, or for a lot less price you can still find the Remington youth ADL new in 243 Winchester.

I personally love the 243 Winchester, for the taking for deer/antelope, but I would never use the 223 Remington for any big game.

The 260 Remington is a nice choice, but I would select the 7mm-08 Remington instead.

Since you handload, I would look at reducing loads for the 7mm-08 Remington in the Remington model 7 with a VX-II Leupold scope and Leupold mount and low rings.

Years down the road a 160 grain Nosler Partition in the 7mm-08 Remington is a real Elk stomper.

yooper77

Scout · « **Reply #32 on:** August 28, 2008, 03:01:43 AM »

Hey jeclif -- I have been looking at those 527's for myself...I was thinking about getting one and having him try it in the youth mode..Your comment reinforced my suspicion that they are so fun to shoot that I may have to get two.

Pinkerton · « **Reply #33 on:** September 11, 2008, 06:36:26 PM »

I bought the 527 in 7.62x39 for my daughter to use, it is compact but still just a touch long in the LOP, but she loves it and is doing great, she's hitting clay pigions on the backstop at 200yrds kneeling prety consistantly with cheap brown bear ammo. This will be her first year hunting. I don't think I'll be getting it back. But if they make one in 6.8 rem, there'll be 2 527's in the house.

Mckie Hollow · « **Reply #34 on:** September 12, 2008, 11:48:56 AM »

Model 7 Youth in a 708 or 308. Load it down if needed / Rem. managed recoil. Put a pad on it and He'll think He's shooting a 243.

jeclif · « **Reply #35 on:** September 15, 2008, 07:52:18 AM »

my 527 in 762x39 shoots everything I have tryed good (under an inch)
but it loves .308dia. 155 grain bthp with reloader #7
it is my gun that's stronger than my 3030 and not as strong as my .308
like a .308 short

If they make a 527 carbine in 223 with a 1 in 9 twist or faster I will have another one too

Jim in Mo · « **Reply #36 on:** September 16, 2008, 03:01:08 PM »

Scout, since you said your willing to spend a little more for a good rifle go handle a Kimber 7-08. Sweet.

Scout · « **Reply #37 on:** September 16, 2008, 03:50:43 PM »

I wish I could say I am THAT committed (and loaded) to a quality rifle for my son... I think I'll get him started and let him find 'his own way' in rifle appreciation.. The comments about 7.62 x 39 have me thinking hard about that CZ though...

Mr. Joe · « **Reply #38 on:** September 16, 2008, 04:38:41 PM »

No question about it, i would get a Remington model seven in .260. Its a gun he will always be proud to own and in a caliber that he will never outgrow. He can use it for deer, elk, sheep, mulies...whatever. It will fit him now, and in thirty years when his son shoots it, and he buys one for him.

Did i mention that a .260 doesn't kick much more than a .243, but will do all that needs doing for non dangerous game? A 7mm-08 is another choice that IMHO would be equally qualified.

Crap...now i have to have a seven in 260 for myself!

Mr. Joe · « **Reply #39 on:** September 16, 2008, 04:42:41 PM »

Quote from: yooper77 on August 28, 2008, 02:56:56 AM

I would choose the Remington youth model 7 first, or for a lot less price you can still find the Remington youth ADL new in 243 Winchester.

I personally love the 243 Winchester, for the taking for deer/antelope, but I would never use the 223 Remington for any big game.

The 260 Remington is a nice choice, but I would select the 7mm-08 Remington instead.

Since you handload, I would look at reducing loads for the 7mm-08 Remington in the Remington model 7 with a VX-II Leupold scope and Leupold mount and low rings.

Years down the road a 160 grain Nosler Partition in the 7mm-08 Remington is a real Elk stomper.

yooper77

To add to this, i saw a bull moose that got decked by a 7mm Mauser (using 160s loaded about the same as factory fodder in a 7mm-08) One shot to the lungs, it ambled off about 40 yards, fell down and died. As i recall the shot was over 150 yards and the nosler acubond preformed flawlessly. Certainly the 7mm-08 would be a fine choice.

federali · « **Reply #40 on:** September 18, 2008, 02:02:29 AM »

There is a phenomenon with greatly reduced loads which can cause them to detonate and thus destroy the gun and maybe the person shooting it. For this reason, by all means use reduced loads but only those that have been tested and published in a reloading manual. As the volume of air increases within a cartridge, the burning characteristics of the powder is altered, sometimes resulting in dangerously high pressures.

i can appreciate your logistics concern about not adding more calibers but take my word for it, the .243 puts whitetails down with authority and I've never lost a deer using it.

Brithunter · « **Reply #41 on:** September 18, 2008, 02:37:51 AM »

Ahhh detonations $:-\$ Usually with the slow buring powders but despite several labs trying no one has managed to produce them in the lab but they do happen outside. Ackley tried for years to produce them and failed. Bruce Hodgdon denied they could happen with his powders

and as far as I am aware no one has prooved what causes them or why they happen to this day as he said it's a puzzlement!

Swampman · « **Reply #42 on:** September 18, 2008, 02:48:29 AM »

A Remington 700 Youth will be more accurate than the Model Seven. It can also have an adult stock added to it later. I'd rather have a .243 or a .308 than any of the calibers mentioned. I don't care for the bastard calibers.

yooper77 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 18, 2008, 02:49:04 AM »

Youth (reduced loads) loads are no problem if done correctly.

http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf

I have used the 243 Winchester loads from hodgdon using 80 grain bullets and H-4895 without any problems and are very accurate.

yooper77

Jim in Mo · « **Reply #44 on:** September 22, 2008, 02:45:55 PM »

Scout, Do yourself a favor and get the Savage youth model 7-08. As you've heard its light recoil and deep penetration will serve you well and the stock can be upgraded in 10 years or when needed. One thing to remember from my own personal experience with my Savage 111, when you get the rifle call Brownells and order a replacement trigger guard. The factory guard is plastic and will break, in fact it will break right before deer season when you don't know it and the action screws will come loose. Brownells has a replacement steel trigger guard for $17 that drops in like a dream. Good luck.

PS. Just because the ammo for the 7.62x39 is cheap doesn't make it right. Skip that caliber for hunting or just get a 30-30, IMO

Jim in Mo · « **Reply #45 on:** September 22, 2008, 02:55:22 PM »

Swampman, By and large I agree with you except my line of thought goes like this. Many adults think they will get a caliber that their son/daughter can shoot whithout much recoil i.e. .223/243. What they forget is their child is not an experienced target shooter much less a hunter. The child doesn't have the experience at the range nor the ability to control their emotions (jitters) when a deer walks out. Many men don't either. Thats why I like a caliber that can do the job on a less than perfect shot. A caliber starting at 260/7-08 on up.

Swampman · « **Reply #46 on:** September 22, 2008, 03:08:10 PM »

I've found the .243 to be more effective, and accurate than the .260 & the 7mm-08.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #47 on:** September 22, 2008, 04:45:24 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 22, 2008, 03:08:10 PM

I've found the .243 to be more effective, and accurate than the .260 & the 7mm-08.

Why do I find that not surprising?

blindman · « **Reply #48 on:** October 08, 2008, 03:43:16 PM »

What about Mossburg, they have that Youth .308 with the 20 inch barrel and 3piece adjustable stock that lets the stock grow with the kid.Joe's has them with a scope for $329.00. My kid wants one so he can go elk hunting. I told him we need to wait until he fills one of his other tags.

wareagleguy · « **Reply #49 on:** October 08, 2008, 03:52:29 PM »

Another vote for the CZ 527 in 7.62. I great little rifle that is going in the woods with me this year!! My second choice would be something in a Savage.

charles p · « **Reply #50 on:** October 08, 2008, 05:28:05 PM »

When mine was 10, Winchester re-entroduced the Mod 70 Featherweight. I got him one in 243 and put a 2.5X8 Leupold on it. We still use the rifle after 20+ years. He also got a Ranger 20 guage pump in the youth model. He was a very good wing shot as a kid. Shotgun fit is more critical.

Bart Solo · « **Reply #51 on:** October 09, 2008, 03:19:50 AM »

Here is one to consider. Legacy Sports International sells a youth model Howa 1500 with with two stocks. One for now and one for when your son has grown a few inches.

I would recommend a 243, but I know I am going to get some flack. If you are intent on buying a 30 caliber, load him up with some of the managed recoil loads. The last thing you want to do is encourage the bad shooting habits that that come from anticipating the kick of full loads in 30 or larger caliber. The whole idea is for your son to enjoy safe hunting and shooting.

Val · « **Reply #52 on:** October 09, 2008, 03:23:50 AM »

If you can come up with a youth stock in a 25-06, I would go with it. Great flat shooting caliber. If a 25-06 is not available the .243 would work just fine too.