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Obama's birth certificate fake
« on: August 19, 2008, 04:40:14 PM »
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm
In response to mounting media questions about the failure of the Barack Obama presidential campaign to produce the presumptive Democratic nominee's birth certificate, an official spokesman of the campaign has endorsed as genuine the image of a document purporting to be his "birth certificate." But some who have examined that image in high resolution claim inconsistencies and irregularities which suggest that the purported document is a forgery. Its high profile use by the campaign, they claim, suggests an attempt to conceal the truth of Obama's birth circumstances and citizenship qualifications from the American people.

The campaign has posted only a low-resolution image of that document, which it claims is his "birth certificate," on its "Fight the Smears" website, along with purported proof of why the claim that Obama may not qualify as a "natural born citizen" is false:

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Lie:
Obama Is Not a Natural Born Citizen

Truth:
Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside...."
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Contrary to the campaign's claims, the issue of when Hawaii became a state and the wording of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, are not at issue.

Rather it is Article Two, Section One of the Constitution which requires that the President be a "natural born citizen" and not simply a naturalized citizen. The issue is whether there is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, the legal status of his mother at the time, and what exactly is written on the original birth certificate -- if it in fact such a certificate exists.

Some bloggers have claimed that the purported official State of Hawaii document, originally published by the radical left Daily Kos blog, is a fake, and a poorly executed one at that.

Examination of the higher resolution of the image indicates irregularities which suggest to some that the purported "certificate" may be a forgery produced or modified by Photoshop or another image-editing software, and not a genuine item.
 

   
 

"I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate."
Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, to the Los Angeles Times.
 
 
The evidence, presented in greatest detail by the blogger Polarik at TownHall, includes:

1. Use of a second generation reproduction of the seal of the State of Hawaii at the top
2. Blacking out of the Certificate number in an attempt to prevent it from being traced
3. Absence of any official signature or seal which typically appear on such documents
4. Crudely arranged borders inconsistent with a professionally produced official document
5. Crude overlay of the textual items on top of the patterned background, indicating that the background was produced first and then the textual images laid on top of it by a graphical program rather than being scanned from the original.
6. Failure to use the double-S symbol before the listing the relevant statute (HRS 338-13b) as appears in official uses of the State of Hawaii.
7. The appearance of the backward facing text "Jun 6, 2007" that appears to come from a stamp in the lower right hand portion of the document.
8. The description of his father's race as African, when the term Negro was reportedly used at the time of birth.
9. The use of an identical typeface for all text items on the page.

Even if one or two of the above irregularities may have an explanation, they claim, the aggregate points to an amateurish attempt to manufacture an official-looking document that may not exist in the official records of the state of Hawaii.

On its face, this document does not even presume to be a copy of the original birth certificate -- contrary to the claims of the Obama campaign -- but rather a secondary Certification of Live Birth, which may be used when the original birth certificate can't be located, and can be produced after the fact with just the affadavits of a family member, or even the child himself.

The Obama campaign, however, has not even produced a paper version of this document, and indeed it does not even publish the high resolution version that appeared on the Daily Kos. It has not fulfilled the media's persistent requests to produce the original Birth Certificate, or to respond to media questions about the birth certificate controversy.

What could be the Obama campaign's motive for withholding the original birth certificate and passing off instead a crudely forged facsimile of a "Certification of Live Birth"?

Speculation in the blogosphere and mainstream media is rampant that the concealment is for one or more of the following reasons:

1. There is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
2. The father listed on the birth certificate is not Barack Hussein Obama.
3. The father's race is listed as something other than African, perhaps Muslim or Arab.
4. The mother was no longer at that time an American citizen.
5. The child's name is not listed as Barack Hussein Obama II.

Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot blog of the National Review and one of the original writers on the controversy, cited the "rumor" that Obama was born not within the United States, but elsewhere, possibly Kenya.

Geraghty stated that "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen -- because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

He then points out that Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16."

According to FindLaw.com, cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

Geraghty said the Obama campaign could "debunk" the rumors about his birth simply by releasing a copy of his birth certificate, but the campaign has so far chosen not to do that.

The seriousness of this latest controversy cannot be underestimated. Unlike the scandals related to Obama's various associations with unsavory characters, or claims about his Muslim upbringing, the issue here relates to his citizenship and legal qualification to run for President of the United States.

One would have thought that the most basic documentary proof of the location and date of his birth should be a basic and non-controversial requirement for any presidential candidate, and part of the public record, much more so than one's tax return or annual checkup. It is almost incomprehensible that they would withhold this information -- unless there is something to hide.

Ironically, a similar controversy surrounded Obama's likely opponent in the Presidential race, John McCain. McCain was born to two American parents, one of whom was serving in a US military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone.

This Washington Post column on "Citizen McCain's Panama Problem?" examines the issue:

"McCain was indeed born in the Canal Zone, and Article II of the Constitution plainly states that 'no person except a natural born Citizen... shall be eligible to the Office of President.'

"Some might define the term 'natural-born citizen' as one who was born on United States soil. But the First Congress, on March 26, 1790, approved an act that declared, 'The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States.' That would seem to include McCain, whose parents were both citizens and whose father was a Navy officer stationed at the U.S. naval base in Panama at the time of John's birth in 1936."

But the issue is not legally closed, and therefore this year, as reported in the legal column of the Wall Street Journal a non-binding resolution was introduced and passed affirming that McCain qualifies as a "natural born Citizen," as specified in the Constitution and is therefore eligible for the highest office in the land. Ironically, the resolution was co-sponsored by Barack Obama.

About McCain, of course, there is no question about the facts surrounding his birth, but over their legal significance. He is not denying that he was born in Panama, or posting certificates that claim he was born in Florida. Obama's campaign, on the other hand, seems intent on evading the need to produce and submit to public scrutiny the official document that could prove that his qualification to run for President according to the Constitution.

The cloud of controversy, of course, could be dispelled with ease, of course, if Obama would release the real documentation of his birth, or even the original printed version of the online document the campaign claims as genuine. And yet the campaign is sticking by its guns, despite the evidence from the blogosphere pointing to the forgery and inadequacy of the proffered image of the non-birth certificate. Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, told the LA Times: "I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate."

Validation for the authenticity of the image is provided by a reporter for the St. Petersburg Times, who reportedly emailed the image and got a confirmation from an official in the Hawaiian Department of Health. "It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo is quoted as telling the reporter.

Israel Insider is checking into this report and will report back on its findings.

 

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Re: Obama's birth certificate fake
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2008, 01:36:16 PM »
any chld born in the U.S. is a citizen just ask all the illegals cranking out "Ancor babies"
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 06:14:02 PM »
i'm sure he's a us citizen, but i think the original birth certificate might say "Muslim" as the religion.

Not that it matters to most, but it wouldn't help things for him
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Re: Obama's birth certificate fake
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 05:20:33 PM »
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933

Here's an update to the birth certificate story

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 06:51:39 PM »
Zen i agree , everything they have produced is a fake ,an easy to tell fake.
Why dosent obama just produce the real BC ,we all have had to do that before.
And he is running to be our President.
Its amazing isn't it?
Its like they are telling us ,,He is going to be your President ,now shut up and deal with it.
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Re: Obama's birth certificate fake
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 08:35:17 PM »
I'm confident he is a muzlim and also just about as sure he is NOT a US Citizen. He sure enough hates the US an awful lot to be one.


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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2008, 04:43:27 AM »
Something needs to be clarified here.  Obama has posted on his web site a certification of birth.  This is not the same document as a birth certificate.  Hawaii at the time permited the issuance of certification of birth to those children born outside the state, if the parent had claimed residence in Hawaii for at least a year previous to the birth.  If Obama was born in Kenya and his mother then traveled to Hawaii to obtain a certification of birth, he is not eligible to be President, as he then is not a natural citizen.  His mother could not have complied with all requirements of passing citizenship on to her son at the time of Obama's birth, so in theory and law, he may not even be a naturalized citizen, much less a natural one.  Again, this is speculation until the federal courts decide the lawsuit, but I am inclined to think he is not a US citizen by natural birth due the many discrepancies from relatives.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2008, 05:36:16 AM »
His Mother was in Kenya when he was born ,she wasn't allowed to board a Plane in her condition because she was about to give birth at any time.
She had Resided in Hawaii before that ,and had been in Africa for a few months with Obamas Father ,a native of Kenya.
When she returned to Hawaii she went to the State to try and get a BC , they asked her where the child was born ,who was the Doctor and the name of the Hospital.
She was denied a BC , and the first and second document he produced was a BC. The problem is in 1961 the BC that were given out in Hawaii were on tan paper not green ,and the seal was changed in 1972 and the fakes he presented were the newer seal.
The FBI has a Pass Port dating back to this time ,it states a child of 3 1/2 years with his name on it  ,a native of Kenya.
His Father didn't enter the US until 1963 , with his son , the area in Hawaii where he said he was born only had two Hospitals at that time and they have yet to get the names of them correct.
Eiather way , the fact that three times now he has produced a false document , only faded blurred copes of them at that.
And he has yet to make it clear as to some records showing the Birth and Death of his little Brother who died from complications from pneumonia around the same time in 1961 , leading even more people to belive he assumed the identity of this brother who was born in Kenya but while his Father and mother were married.
The Federal Judge in Penn. says forget all of this ,he wants to see a Birth Certificate or something proving Obama is a US citizen ,its simple ,direct ,and McCain and Palin had to do the same thing.
This touches home with me ,i was born in Texas to an American Mother and a British Father, then i lived in England until i was 12. My Mother was 1st gen American from England also and the thing that helped her was the fact she worked for the US Navy in Pearl Harbor ,and she was born in Virginia.
To get into school in Texas i had to go to the state and get a copy of my BC ,or proof i was born there.
This took almost 90 Days and in the mean time i was given a card showing i was waiting for the document.
Also i signed a paper under risk of perjury that i was born there ,and the little town i was born in no longer had a Hospital and the Court house had been moved.
I had to phone the British Consoulete once a week , and then they couldn't find the BC ,so i was up for deportation when it was finally found in Abilene.
So Obama isn't being asked anything the rest of us haven't been asked for ,and this followed me until i joined the Navy and i had to keep that BC close and guarded.
And i know some Germans in the same boat ,and we feel like what gives Obama such special treatment ?
Cough  it up Obama , Mr. Citizen of the World.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2008, 06:16:49 AM »
he most likely has one , seems all the other illegals get them , dri. lic. , ss card , ins. card and what ever other paper/card they need .
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2008, 08:51:01 AM »
True ,but how far are these investigated.  They produce it to a lady who is most likely Hispanic also and that is it.
Obama tried this and it carried him for years ,but let the FBI look at it , then you find out what is up and Obama knows it .
This fake is going to win this election weather he loses or not ,he is who they want in that office for what ever reason it is.
By the time he is in office and we all find out what is in the works ,Obamas citizenship isn't going to matter ,Remember his own words ,I am a citizen of the World.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2008, 08:53:43 AM »
if his mother was a U.S. citizen or he was born on American soil he is a U.S. citizen . Was his mom American ?
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 11:36:02 AM »
If you will read the links I posted SHOOTALL there is doubt Obama was born in Hawaii. It appears he was born in Kenya and there is no American birth certificate and never was. In 1967 Obama's mother married an Indonesian and moved to Jakarta thus making Obama an Indonesian citizen.

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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008, 03:59:06 PM »
One scenario is that all of this doesn't get resolved until after the election---and osama wins the presidency only to have it "taken away" because he's not a natural born citizen.  If that happens, the poop will really hit the fan.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2008, 06:07:43 PM »
One scenario is that all of this doesn't get resolved until after the election---and osama wins the presidency only to have it "taken away" because he's not a natural born citizen.  If that happens, the poop will really hit the fan.

Or they could just let the republicans run Swarzenegger for prez in 2012 and call it even. That way both parties would have had a prez that was born on foreign soil.

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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2008, 02:35:25 AM »
Some people are afraid that Obama is more than we see him as ,and his connection to Evil is brought up all the time . I dont believe he is anything like an anti Christ , But its like a Priest told me once. ( Evil dosent come as the hideous form you may expect , and it dosent show its true self at first.
It is far smarter than that ,it will come as a clean ,decent looking person dressed nice and very polite. And it will charm the masses , and fool its followers . No one will be able to lay any blame ,or suspicion upon its head.
There will be those who think they know who and what it is . But be careful ,this may not be it at all .It may be a pawn ,a decoy sent to draw the attention away from the true source.
Its mission is to valuable to show itself as Gaudy , or apparent , and it will shadow the decoy as a lesser , and let the pawn blase the path that it will soon follow. Watch the ones around the chosen one , the close followers or someone who even at first may be its worse critic. Revelations says that it will return again from its seemingly certain death , it may be its ideals and not the same creature at all, but one who is born again to pick up the torch and ensure its ideas are set in stone.)
In others words ,the chosen one is so Marterd that someone makes him into a Saintly image for all the world to follow.
Like a Ceasar ,that all leaders will want to be named after .
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2008, 02:49:56 AM »
If his mother was an American citizen he could have been born on the moon and would have been an American citizen . I have a good friend who had one parent American the other French . he has been American all his life , served in the Navy . What a suprise it was when he was sent a letter demanding he report for military duty by the FRench . seems his French parent had dual citizenship . He had to denounce his French ties or go .
Now consider if 2 non American parents have a child born on U.S. soil the child is considered an American citizen ( don't beileve it check with a southern border state THEY KNOW ).
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2008, 07:05:43 AM »
Whether or not Obama's mother was a US citizen is a matter of record.  However at the time of Obama's birth, the US immigration laws and inherited US citizenship varied with some restrictions.  If Obama was born in Kenya, he is not eligible according to the US Constitution to be or run for the Office of President, even though Obama may be a US citizen. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2008, 07:22:58 PM »
Whether or not Obama's mother was a US citizen is a matter of record.  However at the time of Obama's birth, the US immigration laws and inherited US citizenship varied with some restrictions.  If Obama was born in Kenya, he is not eligible according to the US Constitution to be or run for the Office of President, even though Obama may be a US citizen. 

Obama's mother had to have resided in the US the previous 10 years and be at least 19 for Obama to be a citizen. She did neither. She was 18 and had not lived in the US for quite a while. This is why Obama has a Certificate of Birth; NOT a Birth Certificate. The Birth Certificate would be in Kenya if Obama ever even had one which seems the unlikely. Legally the only country Obama is a citizen of is Indonesia due to Obama's mother marrying an Indonesian in 1967 and moving to Jakarta instantly making Obama an Indonesian citizen. There is no document in existence that shows Obama ever became a US citizen.

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2008, 12:25:20 PM »
 


Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship
 
 
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PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama's qualifications to be president.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick on Friday night rejected the suit by attorney Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. Berg claimed that Obama is either a citizen of his father's native Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved there as a boy.

Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father. His parents divorced and his mother married an Indonesian man.

Internet-fueled conspiracy theories question whether Obama is a "natural-born citizen" as required by the Constitution for a presidential candidate and whether he lost his citizenship while living abroad.

Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."

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Judge Surrick I have just one question: did you see Obama's birth certificate or not? You were not asked to rule on whether or not Atty Berg is a nobody or a somebody.

 

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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2008, 01:33:35 PM »
The way he is handling this whole issues is an even bigger issue than whether the jerk is born Muslim or is really a citizen.  All he has to do is to release a legal document, something we all are forced to do many times in our life.

But, instead this clown has chosen to lock up his health records, tax records, school records, and virtually every other record they have sent squads to lawyers to Alaska to dig thru for Palin.

This is a strong sign that this dude is nothing more than a self-appointed dictator in the making!

He has done a great job of pushing party line information out against every claim, using the internet and all, to the point "if you tell a lie enough it becomes the truth."  Many of us beleive he has overseas supporters illegally funding many of his activities, course he won't release any more compaign funding records than he is forced to while working around the loop holes for many of his sources.  All the while attacking McCain for doing similiar things, even if McCain is being more open.

I must agree, if this threat to our freedom gets into office, the US as we know it is gone.  Especially if we give the House and Sentate to the "progressives" also.

No, I do NOT beleive he is a citizen.  But like any "good" lawyer, he will avoid the question till it is too late.


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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2008, 07:57:12 PM »
UPDATE 10/25: APPEAL TO SUPREME COURT

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/25/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg said, "I am totally disappointed by Judge Surrick's decision and, for all citizens of the United States, I am immediately appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court.

This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?

So, anyone can just claim to be eligible for congress or the presidency without having their legal status, age or citizenship questioned.

According to Judge Surrick, we the people have no right to police the eligibility requirements under the U.S. Constitution.

What happened to ‘...Government of the people, by the people, for the people,...’ Abraham Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address 1863.

We must legally prevent Obama, the unqualified candidate, from taking the Office of the Presidency of the United States,” Berg said.


 
 





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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2008, 02:45:33 AM »
For some time both canidates are given imformation on world events in the time leading up to election what checking went on before they were cleared to recieve this imfo. ?
it would seem a back ground check would have been conducted ?
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2008, 09:42:20 PM »
For some time both canidates are given imformation on world events in the time leading up to election what checking went on before they were cleared to recieve this imfo. ?
it would seem a back ground check would have been conducted ?
Don't get me wrong i want PALIN to win !

Obama started his political carreer in an area where only democrats existed. In such areas as these the less you are like an American the more desirable you are to radical democrats who seek to destroy America. A background check was never run on Obama. All that mattered was that he hated America. That was his free pass.
There are more background checks done on a typical 11 yr old little league baseball player than was done on Obama. You can't play little league baseball without a birth certificate .

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2008, 04:30:27 PM »
Obama traveled to HI recently, supposedly to see his ailing Grandmother.  No wife, no kids, just him.  No news about her health has been revealed.

But soon after the Governor of HI announced she had sealed the State documents related to the matter.

Anyone smell a decomposing rat?

How about his refusal to release health records, school records, or financial records? Yet his campaign sent 30 lawyers to Anchorage the day after the Palin announcment!  It make act like fertilizer, but it smell real bad when wet!