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Offline JimDandy

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patterning question.
« on: August 21, 2008, 07:41:52 AM »
I was patterning my shotgun this morning, shooting at 25 yards off of the bench with 5 different shells and 2 different choke tubes  I noticed that on about half of my targets the center of the pattern was high left. 
I know that just using the bead on a standard rifle target is not very precise.  I might have pulled one or two shots because of recoil, but I read somewhere that if your grouping is high left, alot of times it is from flinching.  Does anyone else have this problem?  Does anyone have a better way to do this?  Should I do it standing up?  Or maybe use a different type of target?
Thanks in advance for any tips.

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Re: patterning question.
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2008, 07:59:23 AM »
You could be flinching, we all do sometimes, whether we think we do or not...

It could also be the brand shells...My turkey gun shoots Winchester Supremes high right, but Federals and Remingtons dead on...

I'd try to see if you can tell a pattern to your problem with the brand shells...

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Re: patterning question.
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 01:39:41 PM »
Kent Fasteel Hits low out of my SBE2, which is perfect because it takes a 70/30 gun to a 50/50 gun.

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Re: patterning question.
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 08:50:01 AM »
Call me crazy but I have never seriously patterened my guns.  I tried it once several years ago but flinched to bad at a sitting target.

I don't see the need, but that is probably a minority opinion.

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Re: patterning question.
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2008, 03:51:15 PM »
Call me crazy but I have never seriously patterened my guns.  I tried it once several years ago but flinched to bad at a sitting target.

I don't see the need, but that is probably a minority opinion.


I think patterning is another one of those things that "stuff" people do instead of hunting.  You know the type... They are the guys who spend 80% of their time messing with their gear and 20% of their time hunting.

If I shoot poorly with a gun, I don't own that gun.  I test it during real shooting to have an idea of balance, fit, point of impact, and pattern.

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Re: patterning question.
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2008, 06:48:19 PM »
JimDandy,
I cannot imagine a worse thing to do than to shoot a shotgun off of a bench.  It tells me that you are aiming rather than pointing. I am am an advocate/shooter/practitioner/student of the "instinctive" or Churchill method.  Basically this means that your gun is an extension of your anatomy that is pointed (like your index finger would be) in a dynamic manner to precisely where you want the shot to go to hit a moving target.  This means that your gun mount must be utterly consistent and correct with your target focus and that your gun must match your anatomy so that your visual focus matches where the shot will go.  You don't aim at all.  You concentrate on the leading edge of the target and make sure that your physical alignment and gun extension are consistent with hitting it.  If needed, your gun needs to be adjusted to agree with your anatomy and POI.  Thats why shotgun dimensions - length of pull, drop at comb, cast off, etc., etc., are all very, very important and proper gun mounting and "staying with the shot" are critical. I can't do the subject justice on a post here, but the Orvis Wingshooting guide by Bruce Bowlin is as good as any on the subject.
As far as patterning goes - you shouldn't mix that (patterning) specific evaluation with your shooting technique or "hunting" analysis.  It is a totally separate issue, and a less subjective one.  You need an even, and dense enough pattern (with enough velocity and shot mass) at a given range to "get the job done".  It is well worth the time and effort to see what your pattern looks like at different ranges on a patterning board.  In this (wonderful) era of changeable choke tubes, etc. you would be doing yourself a disservice by testing your shotgun's and shell's effectiveness only by hunting results. 
Believe me, there are quantifiable ways to understand and exploit the art and science of good wingshooting which can improve your success and reduce your wasted money and your disappointment.  Learn the basics of wingshooting, gun fit, and technique.  Pattern your gun with the load your are using at various ranges. Make sure that the combination of your gun and your visual point of concentration (sight) are where your pattern is centered upon.  Make sure you are using the best load for your requirements.
Nothing beats "real world" hunting experience, but to suggest that experiential hunting results without the knowledge of how all of the pieces fit together is a superior strategy just doesn't square with my experience or strategy for success.
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Re: patterning question.
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2008, 10:33:41 AM »
I have to agree with Cement man.
If the load you are useing looks like a doughnut then you would be wise to try a diffrent choke, load or brand of shells. Unless you are using a $30 single shot then you could sell it and keep tring until you got a gun you could hit somthing with.
I'll patern mine first, HO! by the time I go to sell my guns no one really wants them, the finish, the blueing are all worn off.
I did just by a SBEII and will be paterning it as soon as I can get around to it, until then I'll keep useing the old standy by my 870 SP You can't really beat this gun up.