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How would you like this in your front yard?
« on: August 23, 2008, 09:21:51 AM »
Personally I think there is a point where large carnivorous predators need to be removed from populated areas.  Anchorage is behind the curve in my opinion.  Now for you folks that have never been to Anchorage Gamble is not close to the mountains, it is a major North South highway through Anchorage.  This area is loaded with businesses and homes.  The Coliseum, large Ice Arena, Car Dealerships, Malls, Hotels, Restaurants, everything you would find in the middle of any modern big city.  Gamble turns into the Seward Highway and leaves town going south.  For 15 years this Grizzly has spent it's summers in the middle of town.  Would you like to have a few of these in your local parks?  Got this from the Anchorage Daily News.  They have had a rash of maulings this summer down there, No wonder.



Grizzly hit by SUV on Gambell, shot by police

By MARY PEMBERTON
The Associated Press

Published: August 23rd, 2008 02:40 AM
Last Modified: August 23rd, 2008 06:45 AM

One moment Howard Hawkins Jr. was driving to get an early morning cup of coffee and the next he hit a large grizzly bear running at a full gallop across one of Anchorage�s busiest streets.  It is just unreal,� Hawkins said Friday, less than 12 hours after his 2002 Land Rover struck the bear.  It just happened so fast. I didn't have time to react. I wasn't even able to hit my brakes or anything. What stopped the forward motion of the car is that I ran into a big bear.�

Hawkins, 57, plowed into the bear shortly before 4 a.m. in what is the latest in a summer of close encounters between human and bears in Alaska,s largest city.

The male bear came out of the woods from one of Anchorage's many greenbelts. It was struck on the Seward Highway near Cal Worthington Ford. The collision pushed in the front end of Hawkins' Land Rover. The vehicle's air bags deployed, but Hawkins was uninjured.

The poor animal just came from nowhere, he said.

He called 911 and got out of his car to await police. The bear, now angry and in a lot of pain with a broken leg, was behind the Land Rover stumbling around, roaring and growling.

Officers arrived within minutes and advised Hawkins to get back in his vehicle; he did.

At one point, the bear charged the officers, police spokesman Paul Honeman said.


The grizzly made its way off the road and back into the woods, where officers found it and killed it.

The bear was No. 211, a 15-year-old grizzly that was part of a state Fish and Game research study to determine how many bears there are in Anchorage.

The bear was trapped in 2006 and fitted with a GPS collar that showed it stayed mostly in one of two areas, including Far North Bicentennial Park where there have been two bear maulings and several encounters this summer.

One of the bears, a sow with two cubs that was believed to be responsible for much of the trouble, was shot and killed Tuesday. DNA showed that bear was not the one responsible for the most serious attack, on a 15-year-old.

The grizzlies come into Anchorage in the summer to feed on salmon and moose, said Sean Farley, a Fish and Game biologist.

He was primarily looking for fish, Farley said.

While the city's black bears get more attention because they get into garbage, the grizzlies largely go unnoticed.

People using the city's extensive trail system could be 50 yards from a grizzly and never know it, Farley said.

So far this summer, 18 black bears and one grizzly have been shot in the municipality in defense of life or property.

That's a higher number than normal, said Jessy Coltrane, an assistant area wildlife biologist. Last year, that total was about 10 black bears and one grizzly, she said.


Here is a link to their web site.  Could not get the pictures to cross over.    http://www.adn.com/wildlife/story/502266.html





Direct link and pics added by Tim  ;)
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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 04:40:51 AM »
Hey, the grizzly was there first.  I feel about that like I do about the folks that want to hike in Yellowstone to get the "wilderness experience" and whine about it when they get eaten by a bear. 
IMO, they need to kill off some of the people.  :D  Were you the one that was wanting the wolves killed because you couldn't let your poochy dog run loose for fear it would get eaten? 

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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 05:31:53 AM »
We should just close the city, move all the people. The bears were their first, their were lots of things first, i can agree that if you don't like it get out of it, but people have rights too.
i don't know where any of you live but their is usually a good reason for people being where they are.
some time we have to decide which is more important. I guess beeman would be glad to have the grizzlies and wolves in his yard. ::) :o
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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2008, 08:12:06 AM »
Unfortunate, but inevitable when people and animals live in such close proximity. :-\

Thanks for sharing Rog. ;)

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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 09:31:10 AM »
What with Alaska being such a small state, and the over population of people per square mile, maybe some of the people should move out. Give the bears some breathing room for goodness sake. :D gypsyman
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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 08:20:30 PM »
Thanks Tim for adding the pictures, I could not get them to post.  Rog

Anchorage is a big city, with lots of people.  This is comparable to having Grizzlies in downtown in any big city in the US.  Maybe we could relocate some to NY Central Park, or Nashville's Centinual Park.  They would make life interesting.  Yes they were here first, so were they in Los Angeles, Salt Lake City, Reno, Denver, and many other big cities.  Don't think anyone living in any of those cities wiould tollerate them being brought back and released there now.  It's time they be removed from Anchorage in my opinion.  Granted there is a place for them, but not in the middle of a large metropolitan area. 
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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2008, 11:05:38 AM »
i think they would fit in nicely in NY central park. ::) ;D
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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2008, 04:28:30 PM »
Had a medium black walk down the road in front of my house --maybe 25 yards away.  He minded his biz, I minded mine. I am not a "look, it's breathing, lets kill it sort of guy."
 From what I read --no first hand knowledge-- the blacks have been urbanized so long on the east coast that if a black comes toward you aggressively, he is more apt to carry it out than a grizzly and the black is more apt to adapt a predator/prey approach toward a man. Thus, playing dead may work with a grizzly, fighting back is your best hope with a black. (nothing seemed to work for Threadwell)  I hope to never find out in either case. 
I have a lady friend that has a bear coming to her garden and asked me what to do.  I told her to keep a couple of strings of fire crackers and a lighter handy. And if that didn't roust him, to go in the house and hide in a closet. :D

Cooome oooon  Rog, it's old hat in ANC to be late for work 'cause you hit a moose.  It'd add some spice to things if you could say a grizzly dragged one of your car pool out of the window and ate him.  ;)

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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2008, 04:39:34 PM »
I'd donate some money if we could relocate some to Washington DC.  I have a few places in mind to release them. :D :D
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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2008, 04:57:55 PM »
HEH. Turn em loose at the dnc. Several years ago a lot of farm ground and woods was sold around Bowling green KY. Lots of new yuppie houses and yuppie puppies, cats too. Somebody forgot to tell the coyotes they had to leave. Yuppie puppies and cats, a coyotes dream buffet. They complained to the county, not our business, then to the state, not our business. One woman complained to state officials at a public forum saying, if you fed your animals better, they wouldn't eat our pets. One den was found to contain, in that area, 187 collars from dogs and cats. They hired a private company to live trap them, never heard how it came out. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 01:54:34 AM »
LIVE TRAP COYOTES!, now that is hilarious. :D :D :D :D
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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 02:25:10 AM »
BILLY. The yuppies didn't want to hurt em ya know.  :D :D. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 02:49:09 AM »
beman:  I don't think you understand.  Anchorage is a large city with beautiful parks and bike paths going all over it.  People and kids use those bike paths and parks.  During the winter they cross country ski there.  During the summer they hike, bike, and picnic there.  Having an increasing number of large predators moving in every summer is not good.  With both people and predators increasing something has to change. 

In the past hunters were able to keep the bear population down.  Then they decided to make the area in the mountains surrounding Anchorage a no bear hunting area.  The bear population has skyrocketed.  Anchorage has kept green belts through out the city for parks and bike paths, usually following the streams in the area.  These streams during the summer are full of salmon.  The salmon draw the bears.  With both bear and people populations increasing, conflict is inevitable. 

Unlike the rest of Alaska, Anchorage is populated by city types.  People from large urban areas.  They don't know or care about how to get along with wildlife.  Most of the men in Anchorage don't hunt, never have never will.  Soon the pot is going to boil over.  The people are going to demand that the city get rid of the bears.  And that will happen.  So far most of the maulings have ended with just injuries, but when a kid gets eaten, that will change things.  The school bus drops kids off all along these green belts.  It's going to happen, the question is when.
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Re: How would you like this in your front yard?
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 02:42:45 PM »
Rog, Please, please don't tell me I don't understand. As if ANC is some little cosmos on another planet or in some parallel universe. Your problem in not unique to ANC.  True enough, your wild life may be a bit wilder but I think you would have a hard time convincing some of the joggers that have been mauled and killed by mountain lions INSIDE the city limits of LA or the black bear kills in urban areas on the east coast or folks that have had pets and CHILDREN snatched by the ubiquitous alligators along public golf course water hazards that ANC is any wilder or woollier than say downtown Tampa.
 My position is the yuppies can't have it both ways.  They just looooove the little Bambi's don'tchaknow.  And absolutely hate hunters. And don't mind stopping a guy with a pair of camo pants on in the super market to let him know.  But when Bambi starts eating those $250.00 shrubs and shitting on their driveways and stepping in front of their BMWs, they want the gov'ment to do something about it.  The same ones that put out dog food for Wilie and Rackety Coon Child and Brer Possum start screaming when Fluffy goes missing. 
So you've got a bunch of garbage-can trained bears and maybe wolves.  And those animals have never been taught that man has a sharp stick that can reach out a long ways and hurt you.  So the solution is to kill them??  Relocation is a joke, I know that.  Especially when the forage is easy pickings like garbage dumpsters and Fluffy.
I'm sure the yuppies will win. They always seem to. So there's no point of trying to justify it. You just want them killed. But the yuppies don't want to kill their own snakes, they want the gov'ment to do it.  Still, I'm on the side of the bears.
 Once you get everything killed off, except for your free money each year, you might as well live in NYC. But there they have coyotes and rabid coons and a particularly vicious two-legged predator that roams at night. And don't forget our Nation's Capital ('cept for the killin's, it ain't no bad town) where few white folks are bold enough to walk after dark.  Me personally, I druther have the bears. :D

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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 04:57:54 PM »
I might add that I lived with a woman who once a month was a bear with a grudge too bear.
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