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Offline jammer308

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lapping scope rings?
« on: August 23, 2008, 10:23:01 AM »
I brought my encore muzzle loader to the smith to get it bore sighted and asked about lapping the rings, but the smith told me that "with todays rings you don't need to lap them." He'd be happy to charge me for it and do the job, but said it wasn;t necessary. I chose not to do it and had the gun bore sighted as planned. I've yet to shoot it so I can't tell if any problems exist or not.

So what do you guys think? Should I get the rings lapped before I go and put costly powder and bullets down the tube or not worry about it?

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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008, 11:32:12 AM »
IMO all rings need to be lapped.   I won't use them, but if it did even those that use inserts I'd lap the inserts.   With the tolerances allowed in manufacturing, lapping is the only way to be sure you have near 100% contact between ring and scope tube.
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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2008, 02:29:38 PM »
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Don't know where this gunsmith is coming from. ???  thanks.

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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2008, 05:38:19 PM »
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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2008, 05:38:56 PM »
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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2008, 02:37:29 AM »
I always lap rings.  This is very important when the gun owner brings you a set of cheap made in China Weaver, Simmons or  Leupold rings.  Know of several scopes being ruined by guys who put it ithem in these cheap rings. 

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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2008, 06:26:23 AM »
what exactly is it tht ruins the scope? What happens? I've never seen a wrecked scope that I know of.

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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2008, 06:28:26 AM »
encore3006, they are warne rings on my gun.

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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2008, 08:34:51 AM »
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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2008, 08:41:32 AM »
If the scope rings are not aligned correctly when the rings are torqued down it bends the tube.  The recoil puts stress in all the wrong places on the optics causing things to fail.  The cross hairs are perhaps the most fragile, but I have also seen cracked lenses and many mounting parts that come loose.  the heavier recoiling gun the more likely an alignment problem will show up, unless it is way off, then just the tightening of the rings will do it.

It seems to me that the mounts/rings I see now are more likely to be aligned correctly than they used to be.  I still lap conventional rings, but rarely have much to do any more.  Unlike Ladobe I do like the rings with inserts, and use them when I can.

Another problem that can occur with poorly aligned rings is scope slippage.  If there isn't much contact between rings and scope recoil will cause the scope to move.  Lots of folks have brought me guns claiming their scope is broken, and I found it wouldn't hold poi because of loose, slipping scopes.  Often they came with a brand new scope to be mounted, and were able to return it when we made their old one work.

I also frequently use Leupold bases and rings because of their superior performance.  The Leupold brand rings are American made, and precise.  I can't speak for the Rifleman brand.  
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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2008, 09:06:43 AM »
Thanks for the help guys.

I got sick of dealing with hammer extensions and possibly having broken hammers, so I wanted to try a forward mount and eliminate the issue of clearance between the scope and hammer. I have an nc star 4x long eye relief scope that seems to fit the bill here. I know others don't think too highly of them and I'm not really impressed either. But I plan to see how it does and since it is a "cheap" one I don't have a problem risking that it get damaged from non-lapped rings. It will be my guinea pig. If it fails I will know I need to lap the rings and put one of my other scopes in it's place or invest in a better scout style scope. I really do like the forward mount set up. I had this same set up on a .243 handi rifle and it was one of the neatest set ups I've used yet. Again thanks for the insight. It is most helpful.

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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2008, 09:58:16 AM »
I am not a fan of vertical split rings... just me...
Burris Signature rings are the coolest things, all other rings I lap first, I purchased a lapping tool therefore it costs little.

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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2008, 02:02:28 PM »
May be just stupid but would some one explain lapping a scope.

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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2008, 02:09:06 PM »
May be just stupid but would some one explain lapping a scope.

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Re: lapping scope rings?
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2008, 02:14:24 PM »
thanks quickdtoo that is what I thought I have been doing that with a piece of emery cloth and dowel  just to get ride of the bur on the edges of the rings.