Author Topic: What Putin Is Thinking...??  (Read 1142 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

TM7

  • Guest
What Putin Is Thinking...??
« on: August 25, 2008, 02:13:42 AM »
fyi...TM7
.
Nuclear Chicken In Poland
Putin Can't Afford
To Back Down

8-25-8
 
 "Don't blame the mirror if your face is crooked."  -- Vladimir Putin quoting Russian proverb
 
If the Bush administration proceeds with its plan to deploy its Missile Defense System in Poland, Russian Prime Minister Putin will be forced to remove it militarily. He has no other option. The proposed system integrates the the entire US nuclear arsenal into one operational-unit a mere 115 miles from the Russian border. It's no different than Khrushchev's plan to deploy nuclear missiles in Cuba in the 1960s. 
 
Early last year, at a press conference that was censored in the United States, Putin explained his concerns about Bush's plan:
 
"Once the missile defense system is put in place it will work automatically with the entire nuclear capability of the United States. It will be an integral part of the US nuclear capability....And, for the first time in history---and I want to emphasize this---there will be elements of the US nuclear capability on the European continent. It simply changes the whole configuration of international security..Of course, we have to respond to that."
 
Nuclear weapons specialist, Francis A. Boyle, says the Bush administration's plans represent the "longstanding US policy of nuclear first-strike against Russia." In Boyle's article "US Missiles in Europe: Beyond Deterrence to First Strike Threat" he states:
 
"By means of a US first strike about 99%+ of Russian nuclear forces would be taken out. Namely, the United States Government believes that with the deployment of a facially successful first strike capability, they can move beyond deterrence and into "compellence." This has been analyzed ad nauseam in the professional literature. But especially by one of Harvard's premier warmongers in chief, Thomas Schelling --winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics granted by the Bank of Sweden-- who developed the term "compellence" and distinguished it from "deterrence." The USG is breaking out of a "deterrence" posture and moving into a "compellence" posture. (Global Research 6-6-07)
 
Bush's real goal is to force Moscow to conform to Washington's diktats or face the prospect of first-strike nuclear annihilation. Putin must respond.
 
 Putin needs to present his case before the UN General Assembly emphasizing how the proposed US system upsets the nuclear balance of power and poses a direct threat to Russia's national security. He should give an account of US activities in Central Asia since the fall of the Berlin Wall showing how the Bush administration has pursued a hostile policy of encirclement and strangulation towards the Russian Federation. The US has brought most of the former Soviet satellites into NATO, including Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and now is seeking membership for Georgia and Ukraine right on Russia's border.   
 
The US has expanded its military installations in other areas of Central Asia, primarily Afghanistan, posing long-range problems for the entire region.
 
The Bush administration has also used its intelligence agencies and NGOs to foment political unrest and topple regimes which were sympathetic to Moscow in its "color-coded" revolutions. Eurasia is now inundated with American puppets who get their marching-orders from the White House.
 
Also, the US and its allies have declared Kosovo, a vital part of Serbian territory, independent without UN approval. Serbia is a traditional ally of Russia's. Many analysts now believe that the recent fighting in South Ossetia was directly connected to the Bush administration's blatant disregard for Serbia's sovereignty.
 
 
Putin recently responded to these developments saying:
 
"Some people have the illusion that you can do everything just as you want, regardless of the interests of other people. Of course it is for precisely this reason that the international situation gets worse and eventually results in an arms race. But we are not the instigators. We do not want it. Why would we want to divert resources to this? And we are not jeopardizing our relations with anyone. But we must respond. Name even one step that we have taken or one action of ours designed to worsen the situation. There are none. We are not interested in that. We are interested in maintaining a good atmosphere." Putin added exasperated, "So what should we do?" The present situation has brought us "the brink of disaster!"
 
Russia has complied with its treaty obligations and removed all of its heavy weapons from the Eastern Europe and put them behind the Ural Mountains. They have reduced their military by 300,000.
 
At the same time Washington has increased its arms shipments to new allies in Eastern Europe and is building two new military bases in Romania and Bulgaria. Missile Defense components and radar are going up in the Czech Republic and Poland. Obviously, Russia cannot continue to disarm unilaterally while neighboring states bulk up with new US-made weapons systems.
 
When Putin heard that the Bush administration was developing "bunker-busting" nuclear weapons he said to Bush:
 
"It would be better to look for other ways to fight terrorism than create low-yield nuclear weapons that lower the threshold for using these weapons, and thereby put humankind on the brink of nuclear catastrophe. But they don't listen to us. They are not looking for compromise. Their entire point of view can be summed-up in one sentence: 'Whoever is not with us is against us.'"
 
It wasn't Russia who scrapped the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM) That was the Bush administration, too.
 
American expansionism has thrust the world into another arms race pitting East against West Cold War-style. The present system of international security has been upended and we are moving inexorably towards a military showdown between the two nuclear-armed powers.
 
As Putin stated at the press conference, "I am convinced that we have reached that decisive moment when we must seriously think about the architecture of global security."
 
Indeed.
 
Russia is experiencing a Renaissance. 20 million people have been raised from poverty since Putin took office 8 years ago. The Russian economy has been growing by 7% a year, real incomes are growing by an astonishing 12% per year and Moscow has become a thriving center of global trade. Oil and natural gas have restored Russia to its formal role as one of the great world's great powers. The last thing Putin wants is a nuclear standoff with the United States. But he will not shirk from his responsibilities either. If the Missile Defense system is deployed, Putin will be forced to raise the stakes and send warplanes over the construction site. That is the logical first-step that any responsible leader would take before removing the site altogether.
 
Bush should consider very carefully whether he wants to go ahead with this game of nuclear chicken or not. Putting a knife to Moscow's throat is an act of aggression equal to invading Iraq, only this time the victim has the ability to fight back.
 

Offline DalesCarpentry

  • Trade Count: (32)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6111
  • Gender: Male
  • I would rather be shooting!!
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 11:35:23 AM »
According to the information here I can see where we are forcing Russia's hand. The last thing we need is to get in an arms race with Russia. I think the Bush administration should reconsider it's plans on this missile defense system. Dale
The quality of a mans life is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence.

A bad day at the range is better than a good day at work!!

Offline Graybeard

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (69)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 26939
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 11:40:23 AM »
BS it's antimissle systems not nukes they are wanting to put there. It upsets nothing in regard to the nuclear mix other than it helps protect folks in that area from missles anyone might send their way.


Bill aka the Graybeard
President, Graybeard Outdoor Enterprises
256-435-1125

I am not a lawyer and do not give legal advice.

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life anyone who believes in Him will have everlasting life!

Offline billy_56081

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (5)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8575
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2008, 12:39:30 PM »
"And, for the first time in history---and I want to emphasize this---there will be elements of the US nuclear capability on the European continent. It simply changes the whole configuration of international security..Of course, we have to respond to that."



Really!  HMMM I wonder what those intermediate range what were they called "Pershing" missile were, that were being rolled around Germany? Poppycock more blather from the hate America crowd.

And these is anti missile missiles, not nukes DUHH! Actually we have had an anti missile missle in Europe for a long long time, they are called the Patriot missile,( i'm sure the word patriot is bothersome to our anti America crowd) not the best at the job but did a fair job on the Scuds in Iraq.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

Offline DalesCarpentry

  • Trade Count: (32)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6111
  • Gender: Male
  • I would rather be shooting!!
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 12:56:15 PM »
"And, for the first time in history---and I want to emphasize this---there will be elements of the US nuclear capability on the European continent. It simply changes the whole configuration of international security..Of course, we have to respond to that."



Really!  HMMM I wonder what those intermediate range what were they called "Pershing" missile were, that were being rolled around Germany? Poppycock more blather from the hate America crowd.

And these is anti missile missiles, not nukes DUHH! Actually we have had an anti missile missle in Europe for a long long time, they are called the Patriot missile,( i'm sure the word patriot is bothersome to our anti America crowd) not the best at the job but did a fair job on the Scuds in Iraq.
I sure hope you are not putting me in that anti American crown. Nothing could be further from the truth if so. Dale
The quality of a mans life is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence.

A bad day at the range is better than a good day at work!!

Offline -Shaggy-

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 569
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 12:59:19 PM »
Who wrote that editorial?

Offline torpedoman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (7)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2574
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 01:05:15 PM »
tm must raise cattle he has a never ending supply. I wach the bbc news and never heard it there so it must have been censored everywere except were he got it.that said, The missel shield in europe is a bad idea why are we footing the bill to protect europe? They are big boys let them do their own fighting. Most think we are stupid after we either whipped them or rescued them TWICE, we have sent billions to their economy keeeping bases there instead of telling them to defend themself. Know what they are right we are stupid
the nation that forgets it defenders will itself be forgotten

Offline billy_56081

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (5)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8575
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 01:13:07 PM »
No Dale I am putting the pinko that wrote that editorial in the anti America crowd. I Am pointing out the outright lies in it, as in "for the first time in history--- and I want to emphasize this--- there will be elements of the US nuclear capability on the Europen continent".

http://pershingmissile.org/template.asp?file=IntroStory/IntroStory.htm

http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/GAL100/inf.html


If Putin actually did say this he is very ignorant of history. But as with any source our friend TrueMuslim quote I take it with a grain of salt if not an outright complete fabrication.

If anyone thinks a missile defence system is a bad thing they should give up their defensive firearms as they are on a smaller scale the same thing.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

Offline zipperzap

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 108
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2008, 02:09:14 AM »
Yep!

Sounds a lot like the CMC in '61!
 :o
“A man is but the product of his thoughts ...
if he thinks - he is.”

Offline Graybeard

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (69)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 26939
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2008, 02:13:41 AM »
I don't believe that anti missile defenses in Poland would have any impact on Russian missiles heading toward the US only to those heading toward folks in that direction. Russia has plenty of sites to hit us from should they wish to do so.


Bill aka the Graybeard
President, Graybeard Outdoor Enterprises
256-435-1125

I am not a lawyer and do not give legal advice.

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life anyone who believes in Him will have everlasting life!

Offline Graybeard

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (69)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 26939
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2008, 04:06:17 AM »
I suspect Bush and Putin worked all this out at their recent meeting and it's all for show. My guess is that we as in Bush for us agreed to let Russia do their thing up in Georgia recently in return for them letting us as in Bush do something he wants later somewhere like in Iran. Just a guess of course. Much of this bull is showmanship and has been worked out in advance to make both look good in their own countries.


Bill aka the Graybeard
President, Graybeard Outdoor Enterprises
256-435-1125

I am not a lawyer and do not give legal advice.

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life anyone who believes in Him will have everlasting life!

Offline billy_56081

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (5)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8575
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2008, 03:53:21 PM »
  SO who wrote the article in the first post? Did Putin really make an untrue claim about American nuclear missiles never being on European soil? I am thinking this post is just a fabrication by some anti Amercan pile of garbage. I'm thinking it was not censored in the American press but a complete made up lie.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

Offline DalesCarpentry

  • Trade Count: (32)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6111
  • Gender: Male
  • I would rather be shooting!!
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2008, 04:02:08 PM »
DING DING you hit the jackpot!!!!!!!!!!!! I think it is all BS. Dale
The quality of a mans life is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence.

A bad day at the range is better than a good day at work!!

Offline billy_56081

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (5)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8575
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 01:47:13 AM »
  Well opinions are like @$$%0le$. Why would the American press print this article, it is filled with lies and fabrication as I have shown in the links above. As I said the premise that Putin said that American nukes nave never been on Eoropean soil was completly FALSE, also these missiles in the missile defence system are not Nuclear! This post is representative of so many of your posts TrueMuslim7, you fill in outright lies with a few facts to make them seem true.

  So TrueMuslim7 should we give up our firearms we keep at home for self defence? These missiles are a completly defensive weapon. They are made to shoot down incoming missiles like the Patriot missiles did in the first gulf war, in which I served.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

Offline billy_56081

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (5)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8575
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 01:37:57 PM »
 Not interested in your bridge TrueMuslim7, it is just as false as the story you started this post out with. I guess if you tell enough lies you start to beleave them yourself.


 As I said before, this story was not reported by the American, or any other credible news source as it is false, a lie. I have a feeling Putin never said the quote listed above. This story is alot like alot of TrueMuslim7s posts, a completley false story with just a few facts to make it seem credible.

 Does anyone here think a police officer wearing a buttle proof vest is an act of aggression? Why is a missile that stops incoming missiles any different than a vest that stops incoming bullets? Does wearing a bullet proof vest give the police a "first strike inititive"?  And "Zio foreign policy" I hear the Nazi in you coming out again. :D :D
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

Offline rex6666

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2332
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2008, 05:13:33 AM »
We are so lucky to have contributor to this forum that can think like a Russian leader and
also knows what kind of weapons every one in the world has. ::) :o
Rex
GOD GUNS and GUTS MADE AMERICA GREAT

Texas is good for men and dogs, but it is hell on women and horses.

Offline billy_56081

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (5)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8575
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2008, 01:54:54 AM »
 I'm thinking we have a person here that write propaganda for the politbeuro. The whole story at the beginning of this was false. This is just the standard for our friend TrueMuslim here, find others lies that bash America and present them as truth.


  Here is a guy who thinks every story from an American news source is a lie, but takes the word of the Arabic and Communist news sources as gospel. TrueMuslim you are the number one Amerca basher here, don't lie to us again and tell us You are not a basher.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

Offline powderman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32823
  • Gender: Male
Re: What Putin Is Thinking...??
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2008, 02:19:02 AM »
BILLY. You are  right on my friend, no contest, tm is the #1 of the hate America crowd. Putin is probably thinking that osama will be elected and is starting to warm up. He knows that if osama is elected he will face no military opposition in anything he wants to do. The dumcraps are gutless appeasers. The Godless ones thought that America was weak, based their opinion on clinton, never expected a war. I'm proud to say that I'm an American, and thank God daily for being one. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm