I will not vote for John McCain! BUT! I will damn shore vote for SARAH!

[Swampman]

They can't vote of course that's just another oft repeated undocumented worker myth spread around the internet via spam email.

[Lionhunter]

Swampman, I don't know what makes you so sure undocumented workers can't vote they live here and own business here and as long as they pay income taxes the IRS can't even turn them in to the INS. Anyone can buy a Social Security card and Birth Certificate in any large city. This I know first hand, as I had a hispanic man (who is legale) working for me and saw him bring his cousin up from Mexico.  No I did not hire this mans cousin but I know for a fact that he passed for a legal during a raid in north Texas. As long as our government agency's can't talk among themselves and have to keep this kind of information from each other we will never keep the illegals out.

[Swampman]

At any rate we can vote for McCain or a muslim that says he hates us.  The choice seems pretty easy.  It was easy the first time I voted for McCain.

[Lionhunter]

That is very true, I don't see a choice myself. Someday if I live long enough I hope to be able to vote for someone I really like and not the bottom of the parties barrel, while trying to figure out who is the lessor of the two evils! or evil of the two lessors.

[DalesCarpentry]

I still don't think you can vote if you are illeagal. If you can something is very wrong. Dale

[Chilachuck]

I still don't think you can vote if you are illeagal. If you can something is very wrong. Dale

Depends on what you mean by "can".

What stands in their way is a law made by man, and there's always some way to break such laws, especially if the people working voter registration benefit by signing up the wrong people, or the dead, or make believe voters, or illegal immigrants.

[muskeg13]

TM7: You also asked if Todd Palin, aka "The First Dude" was an union member.  He definitely is.  I don't know much about union hierarchy, but Todd Palin is a a member of the U.S. Steelworkers Union, and is in fact a lower level union representative.  Shop steward? Todd may work for BP, but he is far from being an oil executive.  If I remember correctly, I think he's a skilled laborer.  This family works with their hands, including Gov. Sarah who gets up to her elbows in fish guts every summer salmon season.

This really is an average Alaskan family who works extremely hard and has made good.  They embody the American dream.

[Sourdough]

Dale: don't you remember seeing Hillery on TV telling the illegals in California that no one had the right to ask them for ID for them to register to vote.  I'll never forget that, it took place when Bill was running the second time.  She also made the same statement in DC for the illegals there.  At that time there was a big push to get illegals registered.

[DakotaElkSlayer]

This is the same woman that caught my 79 yr old Dad looking at a pretty girl on the computer, grabbed it up, snatched the cords out of the wall, and threw it into the pool.  She now refuses to let another one in her house.

   ....great story!

Jim

[DakotaElkSlayer]

I still don't think you can vote if you are illeagal. If you can something is very wrong. Dale

Dale,
If you are "illegal," you are not allowed to vote, but....  Many of these people do have driver's licenses, and as mentioned previously fake birth certificates and social security cards.  Democrats like illegals since deep down inside they want "their" votes...  Maybe not the illegals vote, but their children's votes who, if born here, will be US citizens.  Republicans like illegals because of the cheap labor...  Both parties like 'em, so no one is trying to stop them.

Jim

[Lionhunter]

 
2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS
ISSUE JOHN McCain  BARACK OBAMA 
Favors new drilling offshore US  Yes  No 
Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it  Yes  No 

Served in the US Armed Forces  Yes  No 
Amount of time served in the US Senate  22 YEARS  173 DAYS 
Will institute a socialized national health care plan  No  Yes 
Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy  No  Yes 
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately  No  Yes 
Supports gun ownership rights  Yes  No 
Supports homosexual marriage  No  Yes 
Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase  No  Yes 
Voted against making English the official language  No  Yes 
Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals  No  Yes 
CAPITAL GAINS TAX 
MCCAIN  0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax. 
OBAMA  28% on profit from ALL home sales.  (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.) 
DIVIDEND TAX 
MCCAIN  15% (no change) 
OBAMA  39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.') 
INCOME TAX 
MCCAIN
(no changes)  Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250 
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)  Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double! 
INHERITANCE TAX 
MCCAIN  - 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax) 
OBAMA  Restore the inheritance tax
Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes. 
NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA 
New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.  New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)  New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!! 
       


You can verify the above at the following web sites:

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/

 

[ironglow]

Lionhunter;
  Added up they will be a real crusher for the economy..say nothing about personal freedom.

  Can't understand why liberals just don't get it !  Any 9 year old country kid knows that if hunting pressure is too heavy, the game
  will leave and go to where the pressure is less and they can live more comfortably.
   
  Same goes for the "wealthy" and those "evil corporations"... put too much pressure on them and their directors, and they move to
 where there is less pressure and they can exist more comfortably.

       Sounds pretty elementary to me !

[jlchucker]

Can someone please explain to me how an illegal can vote? I had to show my drivers license to get a voting card. How can you get a DL. without being a citizen? Dale

As someone who retired after some 22 years of Federal Service, mostly with Immigration, I can tell you that the documents most commonly discovered to be fraudulent by adjudicators are driver's licenses, birth certificates, and Social Security cards.  Guess which two of these are accepted in my State of Vermont (commonly known as the Socialist Republic of Vermont) by those conducting voter registration drives?  Drivers licenses and Social Security Cards!  Guess who checks to verify documentation, or even knows how to check.  NOBODY!  Anybody care to guess which party stands to benefit the most from registering illegal aliens to vote? 

How's it going in your State? 

[Ruskin]

I have decided once Palin was put on the ticket.  John becomes more palatable.  I watched the saddleback debate, and I believe John has hit his stride.  I look at the 2 women behind him and I think he will have to tow the line.

This election brings home how local politics is important.  I meant the house and senate which are representative of us.  That tells me the pressure should begin here and then go to DC.  This is a check on the President.  That is what stopped the last illegal debate.  We here locally who have to live among them or they have to live among us(Americans).  Maybe we can take back our country rather than becoming Mexico North.

I will proudly post my Palin/McCain 08 sign on my front yard to tick off the local Obomination supporter below my house.

[Chilachuck]

I think he will have to tow the line.

(growl) Pet peeve. "Toe the line". Like in boot camp. (grumble)

Any 9 year old country kid knows that if hunting pressure is too heavy, the game   will leave and go to where the pressure is less and they can live more comfortably.

Oh, the Left knows that. The point is to increase poverty so more people have to depend on the State. Guess who has the "wisdom" to "properly" run the State?

If anyone here has access to military science fiction, check the discussion of the "Trans National Progressives" ("Tranzies") in the Authors' Afterword in "Yellow Eyes" by Ringo and Kratman. What Ringo has to say fits.

Apparently Kratman has a stronger opinion, and his computer caught fire when he tried to express it.

[DakotaElkSlayer]

I think he will have to tow the line.

(growl) Pet peeve. "Toe the line". Like in boot camp. (grumble)

Any 9 year old country kid knows that if hunting pressure is too heavy, the game   will leave and go to where the pressure is less and they can live more comfortably.

Oh, the Left knows that. The point is to increase poverty so more people have to depend on the State. Guess who has the "wisdom" to "properly" run the State?

If anyone here has access to military science fiction, check the discussion of the "Trans National Progressives" ("Tranzies") in the Authors' Afterword in "Yellow Eyes" by Ringo and Kratman. What Ringo has to say fits.

Apparently Kratman has a stronger opinion, and his computer caught fire when he tried to express it.

 
http://rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/2008/03/american-politi.html

Jim

[Cabin4]

The goal of the liberal democrate party is to make people poor and dependant on the government. This is how they gain power. They break your leg and then rush to you with a cast & crutches.

People who are smart and self sufficient are a barrier to liberal democrate power.  They are the antithesis of selfish power hungry mongrels willing to kill our country and culture for the opportunity to feel the power of elected office. Stupid people follow along like sheep over a cliff.

[ironglow]

Dale;
  jlchucker (post#134) gave you the straight story...

[Sourdough]

I just went to the web site TM-7 posted.  There is some sick twisted post there.  The people that make those things up are sick.  They are out and out lies, the problem is some people will believe it.  It makes me sick, that someone so loved and respected by the entire (well over 80%) state is being treated this way. 

As far as qualifications go, she is the most qualified person running.  She has more executive experience that the other four put together.

[weasel]

She's looking like a female version of Reagan, there's hope for this country yet!

[billy_56081]

 Sourdough, don't sweat anything that TrueMuslim7 links on here. He is a propaganda master at mixing just enough fact into his ficticious information, to make it seem credible.

 Sara is going to make one heck of a Great VP, she will be only a heartbeat away form being president, and in my opinion she will be a much better president than Mc Cain.

 We can't take anything serious from a guy who takes anything from the Arab, communist or the far out blog press as Gospel and anything from American press or Government as a conspiritorial, "zionist", NWO lie. 

 I mean we all cast a  careful glance at the news we hear form our press and Government, but geez I'm sure there aint a conspiracy in every story out there. Some people need to get out a little bit and quite watching reruns of the Xfiles and Lone Gunman TV show. The Xfiles was a great show, but most thinking human beings could discern that it was FICTION.

[Sourdough]

Local Talk show host just asked a good question.  If Sara makes it to the VP.  How are the Secret Service guys going to decide who accompanies him on the Iron Dog next winter?  He ran it last year as the First Dude of Alaska, so I don't see him missing it next year just because he is the Spouse of the VP.

[powderman]

SOURDOUGH. I don't click on tms links anymore, you just saw why. Nothing but left wing lies and garbage. POWDERMAN. 

[Chilachuck]

http://rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/2008/03/american-politi.html

Jim

From that web site:
"Leaving this group aside, "liberals" are, in general, more open to considering all sides of an issue and letting the best ideas win. Conservatives are not. They prefer to follow strong leaders who provide them with the axioms."

Too bad the people who call themselves "Liberals" are no such thing, and they are they ones naming their opposition "Conservatives".

Proof of point, try debating a "Liberal" on gun control.

But, the economic part is interesting, as is how government spending increases with Republican Presidents. That's especially fascinating when you consider that Presidents don't write budgets.

[Lionhunter]

Gentlemen,
    I just received an e-mail from a friend of my wife's, she is an animal lover and thinks that shooting Wolves from a plane is wrong. before I reply I would like your opinions on this, so I can give a more informed answer. I understand Predator control but want to have my ducks in a row when I talk to her. here is the e-mail and link to a video.


Hi,
Have you ever heard of aerial hunting? It's a brutal practice. Wolves are shot from low-flying aircraft or chased to exhaustion, then killed at point-blank range.
Governor Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for Vice President, promotes this barbaric practice, exploiting a loophole in the Federal Airborne Hunting Act to allow private wolf killers to shoot down wolves using aircraft. We have to get the word out about this!
Please watch this powerful video by Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund, and then share it with every wildlife lover you know:[/glow]
http://actionfund.defenders.org/palinvideo  [/font] [/font]

[ironglow]

 Sarah didn't start the practice..it was in effect for years as the very best way to control the predators.
  In the late 70s the animal-rightsers got a law passed that stopped the practice. The wolves increased rapidly
  and soon decimated the moose herd to practically zero in the Fairbanks area. Soon the stupidity of the law
  was opbvious, they got rid of that law..and the moose thrived again.
   
   We cannot fairly judge Alaska by south 48 standards. Vast uninhabited areas, rugged terrain, a small population
  and other things are such that we just cannot properly relate to down here.

 ..But I won't bore you..I'll let the Alaskans here, fill it in for you..they live there ..I don't..

[DakotaElkSlayer]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DNu1uRcs87I&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f9I_5F3qXYo&feature=related

Karl rove talking of the importance of experience in a VP.... 

Jim

[billy_56081]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DNu1uRcs87I&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f9I_5F3qXYo&feature=related

Karl rove talking of the importance of experience in a VP.... 

Jim

Well Dakotaelkslayer, so your antigun hero Barrack Hussien Obama has so much more experiance? Or is it only the VP candidate that needs experiance, not the President? You filthy liberals will do, or say anything to try to prop up your candidate.

[Cabin4]

Palin hits a political grand slam yesterday. What are the Liberals going to do now?  ha ha ha

[Dee]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DNu1uRcs87I&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f9I_5F3qXYo&feature=related

Karl rove talking of the importance of experience in a VP.... 

Jim

Well Dakotaliberal, so your antigun hero Barrack Hussien Obama has so much more experiance? Or is it only the VP candidate that needs experiance, not the President? You filthy liberals will do, or say anything to try to prop up your candidate.

While I don't agree with a lot that TM7, or Dakotaelkslayer say, I would ask you Billy_56081, if in some juvenile way, does it make you feel that your point is clearer, in your name calling of these two? Is it more "manly" to call folks names or disrespect them over the Internet, when you don't see their side of a discussion? Would you address them this way FACE TO FACE? I'll bet not.
When I have addressed your "cries for another war" as being easily made when you have no intention of participating in the war you want, you become quite indignant, and defensive. You have even emailed me in the past whining about it, until I blocked your emails, but you continually stoop to name calling of others.
Your behavior "in My opinion" shows a lack of depth, and maturity.
This is America, and whether I, or we agree with another's opinion, they too are Americans, and have the right to state their opinion. Name calling is nothing more than "low brow", kindergarten antics. In my opinion of course.
Distortions of names such as Dakotaliberal, TrueMuslim7, or calling someone a AND I QUOTE: "FILTHY LIBERAL", are signs of frustration, and not being able to emotionally, handle differing opinions very well. 
I ALSO BELIEVE THAT "ALL YOUR POSTS" WITH THIS TYPE OF NAME CALLING SHOULD BE CLEANED UP IMMEDIATELY. THEY ARE NOT CUTE, NOR WITTY. BUT SIMPLY SHOW POOR TASTE, OR NO TASTE AT ALL.