stop the division of America

[torpedoman]

America has been divided by the politicans they use two issues abortion and the 2ND amendment one party for each and one against each It is a very clever strategy it keeps our attention off the real problems and the lack of solutions for them. The solution would be to have a national vote on both subjects with full documention of were they are covered in the Constitution and let the results end the fighting over both issues then they will have to come up with some action on this countries real problems and the people would be free to vote for someone on the results they produce instead of against someone to protect something they believe in. Just a unique thought.

[DakotaElkSlayer]

Just a unique thought.

Not a unique thought....a BRILLIANT thought!

Jim

[Swampman]

I'm not interested in a national vote on my inalienable/unalienable rights.

I'm pretty sure I'd lose.

[Swampman]

Inalienable rights are the only "real stuff."  Without the 2nd Amendment, we are slaves.  Nothing else matters after that.

They have to get the ABCs right before they start worrying about Algebra.

[ms]

we are slaves. we are already there when the people want a fence no fence. THE REP PARTY DON'T CARE ABOUT ABORTION THEY RAN ALL THREE HOUSE'S THEY DID NOTHING. THE BOOT LICKER WILL TELL ME IT'S A STATE ISSUE. THE DEM ARE EVIL.

[oldandslow]

My, what big words you use, TM7. Come on down to the level of us uneducated masses and use plain english.

MS, I think I translated your post to mean both dems and republicans are basically useless and evil. If that is right then I agree with you for once.

[LOCUST GROVE]

he saw it about a hundred years ago to some degree

we have already degenerated into a squabbling mass i fear it is too late

black special interests   hispanic special interests  gay/lesbian  disabled  welfare  everyone screaming for free healthcare yadda yadda to infinity
everybody is a special interest   look at the state of our schools   they are pathetic   can we possibly do the healthcare thing any better ?

i agree with you  we need accountability    makes me ill when i see what they are doing with my tax money

we can shoot a sattelite out of the sky from a boat bobbing in the ocean  but cant build a fence that the majority of americans want  simply unbeleivable

can you feel my frustration   

56 years young  in oklahoma

[Cabin4]

America has been divided by the politicans they use two issues abortion and the 2ND amendment one party for each and one against each It is a very clever strategy it keeps our attention off the real problems and the lack of solutions for them. The solution would be to have a national vote on both subjects with full documention of were they are covered in the Constitution and let the results end the fighting over both issues then they will have to come up with some action on this countries real problems and the people would be free to vote for someone on the results they produce instead of against someone to protect something they believe in. Just a unique thought.

Since when do we take the Constitution of our country and put it up for popular public vote? I think this is an extremely bad idea and one that has no place in our country, based on our constitution. The constitution and its amendments are our civil protections. What would be the basis for taking one of them, in this case the 2nd amendment and putting it up for popular vote? If you can do it with the 2nd amendment, then why not the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 13th, etc,.

Sounds to me like a slippery slope and a stepping stone to eliminate the Constitution. The Constitution should NEVER be the subject of popular voting. There are rules already in the Constitution for amending it. We just need to follow those rules. The only problem with the 2nd amendment, it that the states have exercised their rights to regulate, beyond regulation. They have used the banner of regulation to institute restrictions. The DOJ should be litigating against any state that institutes infringement regulation. That's the only problem we have and popular voting has no place in constitutional civil rights amendments.

[Dixie Dude]

You have to have a 2/3 or 3/4 majority in order to get a Constitutional Amendment for or against anything.  Even when the Republicans were the majority, you couldn't get enough Dems to vote to get an amendment to outlaw abortion.  So..., it is up to the States to pass their own laws and for the Supreme Court to interpret them.  That is why abortion can't be stopped.  They could'nt get enough votes to outlaw late term partial birth abortions. 

As far as the second amendment.  It is very plain and simple, but you must intrepret it from the writers and founders viewpoint.  From their viewpoint, it puts all men up as the militia.  We have the right to keep and bare arms, and it takes laws to regulate this militia so it doesn't become a vigilantie mob. 

Even a lot of pro-choice and gun control people are voting McCain, like Joe Lieberman, because the other side will be even worse than McCain. 

[Cabin4]

The 2nd amendment identifies both, militia and people. It is an individual civil right no matter what the interpretation of militia and or people is. If it only applies to a well regulated militia, then how can the "people" have or form a militia if they have no guns?

People means people, no exceptions in the Constitution. If "people" does not mean people in the 2nd, then it can't mean "people" in any others!

Plain and simple, its an individual personal civil right guaranteed in the Constitution. Only the Liberal Socialsits, Marxist and Communists want to put those points in the Constitution up for popular public vote. This way if passed, they have one more brick built for the communist state they want here. Of course, those points int he Constitution that yet need to be exploited or exploited more, are not up for popular vote, YET. As soon as they have exploited that part of the Constitution, then and only then should we have a popular vote on it.

The best path to Socialism and the rest of the nondemocratic forms of government is through populism and therefore popular voting on specific civil rights in the Constitution.

[DakotaElkSlayer]

America has been divided by the politicans they use two issues abortion and the 2ND amendment one party for each and one against each It is a very clever strategy it keeps our attention off the real problems and the lack of solutions for them. The solution would be to have a national vote on both subjects with full documention of were they are covered in the Constitution and let the results end the fighting over both issues then they will have to come up with some action on this countries real problems and the people would be free to vote for someone on the results they produce instead of against someone to protect something they believe in. Just a unique thought.

Since when do we take the Constitution of our country and put it up for popular public vote? I think this is an extremely bad idea and one that has no place in our country, based on our constitution.

Cabin4,
I think you are stressing "vote" more than what was originally intended...  Instead of vote, put something like "set in stone" so they are no longer wedge issues.  Now, if you want to talk 2nd Ammendment... 

Jim

[Swampman]

"but cant build a fence that the majority of americans want  simply unbeleivable"

The majority don't want (or care about a fence.)  It won't do one thing and it's a total waste of taxpayers money.

[Cabin4]

America has been divided by the politicans they use two issues abortion and the 2ND amendment one party for each and one against each It is a very clever strategy it keeps our attention off the real problems and the lack of solutions for them. The solution would be to have a national vote on both subjects with full documention of were they are covered in the Constitution and let the results end the fighting over both issues then they will have to come up with some action on this countries real problems and the people would be free to vote for someone on the results they produce instead of against someone to protect something they believe in. Just a unique thought.

Since when do we take the Constitution of our country and put it up for popular public vote? I think this is an extremely bad idea and one that has no place in our country, based on our constitution.

Cabin4,
I think you are stressing "vote" more than what was originally intended...  Instead of vote, put something like "set in stone" so they are no longer wedge issues.  Now, if you want to talk 2nd Ammendment... 

Jim

He did say "national vote".  I'm all for putting the Constituion and all its amendments "cast in stone" as long as any new amendment does not infringe on another part of the Constitution.

[jimster]

Founding fathers were pretty smart, they made sure certain things would not be voted on by the people, probably knowing that it was possible for the masses to be stupid and vote their own rights away.  Good thing we don't have a full democracy for sure. 

[Cabin4]

Founding fathers were pretty smart, they made sure certain things would not be voted on by the people, probably knowing that it was possible for the masses to be stupid and vote their own rights away.  Good thing we don't have a full democracy for sure. 

Unfortunately, the Liberal Elites of this country could care less about our founding fathers, their wisdom, foresite, principal based, law based and personal responsibility based form of government and society. For the Liberal Elites, its all about "self".

[nomosendero]

Founding fathers were pretty smart, they made sure certain things would not be voted on by the people, probably knowing that it was possible for the masses to be stupid and vote their own rights away.  Good thing we don't have a full democracy for sure. 

Unfortunately, the Liberal Elites of this country could care less about our founding fathers, their wisdom, foresite, principal based, law based and personal responsibility based form of government and society. For the Liberal Elites, its all about "self".

"Self"' that is correct plus Libs think they know what is best for you!