7mm-08 range

[kyelkhunter3006]

Couldn't say what's too small.  I'm just reporting what happened.  I went back to the thirtys and never looked back.

Because a 140-150gr 7mm (.284) just can't match a 150-165-180gr (.308).....  since a 140gr at 2800 and a 150gr at 2800 aren't ballistically comparable at all.   

[nomosendero]

Couldn't say what's too small.  I'm just reporting what happened.  I went back to the thirtys and never looked back.

Because a 140-150gr 7mm (.284) just can't match a 150-165-180gr (.308).....  since a 140gr at 2800 and a 150gr at 2800 aren't ballistically comparable at all.   

"since a 140gr. at 2,800 and a 150gr at 2,800 aren't ballistically comparable at all"  Actually the 7mm outclasses the 30 in that comparison, though not by much.

When it comes to Sectional Density: 30 cal 150 is .226
                                                 7mm cal. 140 is .248
Therefore with bullets of the same const. the 7mm 140 will EASILY outpenetrate the 150 30 cal.

When it comes to BC: 30 cal. 150 BT or Accubond:   .435
                              7mm cal. 140 BT or Accubond:.485
This BC diff will be close in other brands as well. With these bullets the diff. is very small, only an inch or 2 at 400 yards with the diff. growing as range increase which is important to target shooters, but the diff. is more with wind drift, which is FAR more important. I mention this because of the ballistics comment.

Actually, the 165gr. in 30 cal. compares more with the 140 in 7mm, in BC & SD, but the 308 case will drive the 140
7-08 faster than a 165gr 308, but not by much. So the 7-08 is slightly better at long range & the 260 is slightly better yet because of the modest 308 case & high BC 6.5 bullets.

And BTW guys, I am a 308 fan & 30 cal in general for other reasons, but numbers are numbers. In fact I am about to go outside and "crony" 2 308 rifles. I am off topic here to address a little misinformation. To say the 7-08 is not a great Deer round is silly & indicates lack of experience in my view as is the 140 vs 150 stuff & as a moderator I would like to keep it straight. In fact it is one of the best pure Deer rounds going & anyone who can't tag Deer at normal ranges with that round has other issues to address. But for the second time, let's stay on topic. I will post the original post again.

 

[nomosendero]

What is the max range in yards for the 7mm-08 with 140 grain bullet and what is a good 100 yard site in for it?

I am posting this one more time if anyone wants to address it on topic. If it spins out of control for the 3rd time I will lock it.

Thanks

[onesonek]

What is the max range in yards for the 7mm-08 with 140 grain bullet and what is a good 100 yard site in for it?

I am posting this one more time if anyone wants to address it on topic. If it spins out of control for the 3rd time I will lock it.

Thanks

After reading this thread some more I should have elaborated on my earlier post,,,must not have had enough coffee in me at the time
Anyhow I agree also with some of the others that stated the range capability was more than most could shoot. And with that it boils down to the particular firearms inherent accuracy, and that of the shooters skill more than anything.
Now if one were to look at it from a pure energy aspect, and subscribe to Whelen's theory that small calibers persay, that it requires a 1000 ft/lbs of terminal energy for medium game,,,,,the 7-08 with a 140gr. @2800 has 800-1000 yd capability depending on individual bullets's ballistic coefficient.  Personally the 1000 ft/lb rule is one I don't always agree with, for me it depends on the bullet construction, but it has some merit. But I also believe in hunting into within that PR or closer, just because I also believe, too many things can go wrong when shooting past that envelope. At least whereas big game is concerned.

Dave

[kyelkhunter3006]

Couldn't say what's too small.  I'm just reporting what happened.  I went back to the thirtys and never looked back.

Because a 140-150gr 7mm (.284) just can't match a 150-165-180gr (.308).....  since a 140gr at 2800 and a 150gr at 2800 aren't ballistically comparable at all.   

"since a 140gr. at 2,800 and a 150gr at 2,800 aren't ballistically comparable at all"  Actually the 7mm outclasses the 30 in that comparison, though not by much.

When it comes to Sectional Density: 30 cal 150 is .226
                                                 7mm cal. 140 is .248
Therefore with bullets of the same const. the 7mm 140 will EASILY outpenetrate the 150 30 cal.

When it comes to BC: 30 cal. 150 BT or Accubond:   .435
                              7mm cal. 140 BT or Accubond:.485
This BC diff will be close in other brands as well. With these bullets the diff. is very small, only an inch or 2 at 400 yards with the diff. growing as range increase which is important to target shooters, but the diff. is more with wind drift, which is FAR more important. I mention this because of the ballistics comment.

Actually, the 165gr. in 30 cal. compares more with the 140 in 7mm, in BC & SD, but the 308 case will drive the 140
7-08 faster than a 165gr 308, but not by much. So the 7-08 is slightly better at long range & the 260 is slightly better yet because of the modest 308 case & high BC 6.5 bullets.

And BTW guys, I am a 308 fan & 30 cal in general for other reasons, but numbers are numbers. In fact I am about to go outside and "crony" 2 308 rifles. I am off topic here to address a little misinformation. To say the 7-08 is not a great Deer round is silly & indicates lack of experience in my view as is the 140 vs 150 stuff & as a moderator I would like to keep it straight. In fact it is one of the best pure Deer rounds going & anyone who can't tag Deer at normal ranges with that round has other issues to address. But for the second time, let's stay on topic. I will post the original post again.

 

To clarify, I was being sarcastic.....  there's no animal that can tell the difference between a 7mm bullet and a .30 bullet when it gets hit.  To say that one is better than the other is just silly.  Nomo, I agree totally with everything in your post regarding the ballistic info.

[nomosendero]

Kyelkhunter, you do it well & you point is well done. 

[nilescoyote]

Careful guys... people may begin to believe you dint need a belted, super, ultra magnum to hunt deer with....     

If it were me Id load a hornady 162 a-max at around 2700 fps with a bc of .625 and call it good for as far as I could keep it inside of a 10" circle.

[kyelkhunter3006]

OMG, you mean that a centerfire bullet with a MV below 3000fps will kill a deer?     Oops, man, sometimes I just can't help it!   

I bet that 162gr will stack'em in the same hole too.  I've always been a fan of heavy for caliber bullets at reasonable velocity, if I had a 7-08 or a 7x57 (or a 7mm of any kind, LOL) I'd definitely try that one.  Anyone shooting that bullet??  Just curious about accuracy.

[nilescoyote]

OMG, you mean that a centerfire bullet with a MV below 3000fps will kill a deer?     Oops, man, sometimes I just can't help it!   

My thoughts exactly! The nice thing about a 7-08, if you shoot alot like I do, your barrel life is 3 to 4 times longer than the 7mag.

I hope to have a custom built this spring and will be going with either the 7-08 or the 284 with a chamber set up for long, heavy for caliber bullets (162grain - 168grain) and with a Wyatt's extended mag box that will give me room to use them. I believe that it will give me a OAL of 2.990, more than enough room for either caliber to shine with those bullets. 

[Swampman]

"there's no animal that can tell the difference between a 7mm bullet and a .30 bullet when it gets hit."

Maybe it can't, but I can....

If it's still running (or just standing there) like nothing happened then it's a 7mm.

If it's dead, it's a .308.

[kyelkhunter3006]

 

[Graybeard]

If it's still running (or just standing there) like nothing happened then it's a 7mm.

If it's dead, it's a .308.

Are you REALLY that uninformed or are you just trying to act dumb? 

That old 7-08 the wife now uses as her primary big game rifle has been used by first me then our oldest son and now my wife every since I first bought it not long after they came out with it. This year marks the 25th anniversary so that's darn close to how long it's been in use at our house.

So far not one single animal it's ever been fired at has been missed or required a second shot. It's been used by the three of us in several states to take a wide variety of game such as deer, hogs, exotics and even a feral goat that came by my tree stand one day. It dropped to the shot and didn't even quiver.

One more time I say it's NEVER MISSED and NEVER REQUIRED A FOLLOW UP SHOT ever with three of us using it.

So stop being so silly the 7MM is MORE than adequate for big game and if you don't know it then maybe you've either not used it or you are not adequate.

[onesonek]

If it's still running (or just standing there) like nothing happened then it's a 7mm.

If it's dead, it's a .308.

Are you REALLY that uninformed or are you just trying to act dumb? 

That old 7-08 the wife now uses as her primary big game rifle has been used by first me then our oldest son and now my wife every since I first bought it not long after they came out with it. This year marks the 25th anniversary so that's darn close to how long it's been in use at our house.

So far not one single animal it's ever been fired at has been missed or required a second shot. It's been used by the three of us in several states to take a wide variety of game such as deer, hogs, exotics and even a feral goat that came by my tree stand one day. It dropped to the shot and didn't even quiver.

One more time I say it's NEVER MISSED and NEVER REQUIRED A FOLLOW UP SHOT ever with three of us using it.

So stop being so silly the 7MM is MORE than adequate for big game and if you don't know it then maybe you've either not used it or you are not adequate.

It's gota be that hallucinogenic swamp gas Bill

Dave

[rickt300]

I bet if he put it under compression in a spray bottle, called it 7-08 he could sell more of it than I have sold punch bait!

[Swampman]

I've used the 7mm-08, and found it lacking.  I'm talking about very well placed shots.

[Graybeard]

Then what was lacking was YOU as we've taken dozens of head of big game all with one shot cleanly. I'd say the shooter is the problem not the round.

[Swampman]

I would have though 4 double lung shots would have been good enough.  I know one out of my .30-06 drops them like a sack.  Maybe I need to heart shoot them with the 7s.

[Graybeard]

Maybe you just need to learn to shoot or maybe learn where the lungs are. My wife is not all that experenced a hunter but she can follow instructions on where to place her bullets and is a fair shot. Her 7-08 drops everything she shoots at with it. Again I say the problem is the fellow who's block is on the stock.

[Swampman]

I did the autopsy.  The head shot sure worked well, and since I didn't mount it the powder burns didn't matter at all.

[john keyes]

Graybeard, what bullet do you like, is it that Hornady Light Magnum load?
thanks

[Graybeard]

Almost all our game has been taken with the factory loads from Remington and the Hornady Light Mag load using the 139 grain BTSP. Early on we used RP now only Hornady.

[kyelkhunter3006]

I did the autopsy.  The head shot sure worked well, and since I didn't mount it the powder burns didn't matter at all.

New user name......SWAMPGAS???

[nomosendero]

To kyelkhunter3006 & onesonek: This evening I am on Decaf, y'all should be proud. 

[onesonek]

To kyelkhunter3006 & onesonek: This evening I am on Decaf, y'all should be proud. 

LMAO

[swampratt]

It is an exellent round and I say set it up  deadnuts on at 250yrds...

As far as SWAMPMAN I can say that some deer just won't die easily...A friend put 9 rounds in one with a 30-30 and a 130 yards of lungfoam were left...No heart and back broke in 2 spots , and lung shot, and missing  the lower 1/2 of the back leg.

Then there is A deer that had 1 piece of bullet shrapnel that pierced the wind pipe NO BLOOD-NO HOLE
Did not know where the deer was shot untill we cleaned it,
It was 1/3 the size of a piece of rice..The bullet went through a tree and came apart ,the deer fell backwards. and was gasping, then passed out and died

[onesonek]

It is an exellent round and I say set it up  deadnuts on at 250yrds...

As far as SWAMPMAN I can say that some deer just won't die easily...A friend put 9 rounds in one with a 30-30 and a 130 yards of lungfoam were left...No heart and back broke in 2 spots , and lung shot, and missing  the lower 1/2 of the back leg.

Then there is A deer that had 1 piece of bullet shrapnel that pierced the wind pipe NO BLOOD-NO HOLE
Did not know where the deer was shot untill we cleaned it,
It was 1/3 the size of a piece of rice..The bullet went through a tree and came apart ,the deer fell backwards. and was gasping, then passed out and died

I agree, if an animal is alerted, spooked , or the adrenaline is flowing, they can seem to absorb more lead or dead on their feet after the first shot. I have seen this happen with a 30-06 also.

Dave

[kyelkhunter3006]

To kyelkhunter3006 & onesonek: This evening I am on Decaf, y'all should be proud. 

Good for you!  At the opposite end, I was HIGHLY caffeinated last night..   

[Coyote Hunter]

If it's still running (or just standing there) like nothing happened then it's a 7mm.

If it's dead, it's a .308.

Having killed multiple elk with both a 7mm Rem Mag and a .30-06, I have to say the 7mm Rem Mag does the job with more authority. 

This last weekend I watched a gentleman shoot an antelope with a .243 Win at 276 lasered yards.  The animal dropped in its tracks.  A .308 was not required and it is pure foolishness to suggest a 7mm-08 would have been inadequate.

To the contrary, a 7mm-08 is an excellent deer cartridge and more than adequate for elk at ranges out to 300 yards.

[John R.]

I've lost count of how many deer I've killed with a 7mm/08. It's as close to a perfect whitetail cartridge as there is. I've also shot quite a few with a 30-06 and plan to shoot one with my dad's 700 BDL 30-06 (1963 model) this year as a tribute to him (he passed away July 9th unexpectedly). I much prefer the lighter kicking 7/08. I also cannot believe that a deer with a double lung shot from a 7/08 ran off. The 7/08 has impressed me since the first time I killed a deer with it (1983) and continues to do so to this day. It just plain works. Nuff said.

[swampratt]

Sorry to hear about your dad John R., hope you get him one....
I'll bet he is hunting up there now ,stalking deer bigger than we will ever see

And when shot some things like to run and run far, I know i would