Author Topic: Would someone please explain "tatical" to me ? (Read 3128 times)

jcn59 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 10, 2008, 08:04:53 AM »

Just great! Now the Army is marketing disrespectful, and Obama bin Lyin' isn't even president....yet....

jmayton · « **Reply #31 on:** September 10, 2008, 08:53:36 AM »

Quote from: AtlLaw on September 10, 2008, 07:51:17 AM

I'm not sure I'd like the idea of some kid, or anyone for that matter, wearing my old division's "Horse Blanket" if they were never in that unit... or maybe never been in the military!

Agreed. Having never been in the military myself, but having the utmost respect for those who have served or are serving I couldn't wear it...even if it was my father's division insignia.

jcn59 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 10, 2008, 09:11:30 AM »

I was never in the military either, and it leaves me with a nagging feeling that I owe a debt to our country that just paying my taxes is insufficient.

And the idea of that Obama freak as Commander of our military damn near makes me puke. Look for enlistments to plummet if he gets elected............. followed by a "draft"

beemanbeme · « **Reply #33 on:** September 11, 2008, 05:22:47 AM »

Richard, prob about how I'd feel seeing some twinky walking down the street with about 40# of metal stuck in and through various parts of his body and a Devil Dog tattooed on his bicep.

Inrut24/7 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 13, 2008, 02:19:15 PM »

Well I just got a "tactical" stock for my howa barreled action, the gun will only be used to hunt groundhogs, so i consider it a varmint stock. dang does this mean im on the tactical bandwagon?

jcn59 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 13, 2008, 03:31:08 PM »

The part of tactical that troubles me is that the word is often implied or used in a para-military context. Although the word could be used in a hunting context, it rarely is.

jvs · « **Reply #36 on:** September 13, 2008, 03:44:21 PM »

Don't be so hard on your self there inrut24/7, I can guarantee you that 99.9% of the people here are 'tactical' individuals, either in the way they plan to hunt or with the tools they use, unless they are using a Spear.

The best thing for everyone to do is to admit that they too are 'tactical', even if it never dawned on them that they are.

Gotta remember that when you point a finger at someone, three other fingers are pointing right back at you.

3:1 odds.

243dave · « **Reply #37 on:** September 13, 2008, 06:16:22 PM »

Inrut, you are definately on the bandwagon !! Tell ya what, send that rifle to me and I'll get rid of it for you.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #38 on:** September 15, 2008, 08:58:40 AM »

now that's a picture - A TATICAL BAND WAGON

Bill T · « **Reply #39 on:** September 23, 2008, 03:04:26 AM »

"Tactical" generally means flat black spray paint and or a sandblaster. For example, say you have a Remington 700 BDL in .308 you would like to sell, but are disappointed at what you can get for it. Here is a way you can apply "Tactical" and increase it's value by at least $300.00. Go to Home Depot or Lowe's and purchase a can of flat black Krylon spray paint. ($1.99 at most places). Take the barreled action off and have it sandblasted, (around $20.00), and spray the stock with the flat black. Allow to dry, (1 to 2 hours), then reassemble. Place ad in the same paper you did before and got disappointed. Within 8 hours after hitting the press, your phone will ring with every 20 something sniper wannabe offering to buy your rifle! Works every time. Bill T.

no guns here · « **Reply #40 on:** September 23, 2008, 04:33:38 AM »

yep... it's a marketing tool in most cases. Just think about all the things that are advertised as "designed for the SEALS" or "inspired by special forces". These guys just take whatever works and modify it to their own ideals to make it better. Very few "tactical" devices are actually designed, built, produced and sold for true special forces operators. Most are someones idea of something cool that they can market and make money off of. Most of the fabrics that are tough enough for true tactical use are too noisy for hunters. A lot of the gear is too heavy for hunters too. It has to be to be tough enough for use as advertised. Granted you probably won't ever break or wear out a case that is tough enough to survive multiple deployments. You probably won't ever break a Ka-BAR knife either. If you have money and desire for true "tactical" gear, buy it. You probably, as joe-hunter, won't ever have to buy another one of that piece of gear. Most of the "tactical" stuff is just cheap crap painted black or made of cheap black cordura. Seek the good stuff and you won't be dissapointed (until you have to carry it). There is a reason that SF folks are in good shape and work out a lot...

ngh

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #41 on:** September 23, 2008, 08:06:35 AM »

We have had fun but the real reason may very well be its not PC to use military or police in a product decription these days !
SHAME AIN'T IT !

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #42 on:** September 23, 2008, 12:12:04 PM »

Tactical is a marketing thing.
In the 50's it was "Target"
In the 60's it was sports hero's Ted Williams for example.
In the 70's I think it went more to the Trap and Skeet models
In the 80's it was " the Black Guns" "The Wonder Nine"
in the 90's it was "Match" Match grade this or that and "Ballistic Nylon".
In the early 2000's it was "Varmint" and "Sporting"
Now it's Tactical. It's added features that they can charge more for. It can mean low gloss paint, plastic stocks, Moulded stocks oversized bolts, oversized stocks, grips or enhanced optics or sight. The same stuff that was options in the 60's that is now standard on fire arms and the stuff that makes it as perfered or wanted tactical stuff will become standard on guns in the 2010's Like M1913 rails. Looking back mounted sights were standard on hunting rifles and you had to add for drilled and tapped recievers to mount a scope. Now scopes are the norm. Soon One rail system will be agreed on and everyone will just make scope mounts for it built into the scope. You will have to add to have it drilled and tapped or get a scope with out the rail base to it. later these will be the "Classic" models and the rifles with wood and real blueing will have the classic label stuck to them as well. So my guess is that in 2010's we will have "Classic", "Retro", "Golden Age" or "Safe King" as the new buzz words.
Bipods will be the same way all the stock will have a short rail built on to the stock and bi pods will just slip on and off for easy use on trucks, quads, and horse back. I can see harris makeing a quick detach bi pod and you can carry it in a case and snap it on if your going to set up and call or take a long shot but not have it weigh the gun down while walking around.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #43 on:** September 24, 2008, 03:13:33 AM »

If the DEMO'S win , the new buzz word might be single - as in SINGLE SHOT

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #44 on:** September 25, 2008, 09:37:50 AM »

If the Dem's win I think the single will be single/ single. You will be able to own a single, single shot firearm. The black ones will be tactical.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #45 on:** September 25, 2008, 10:58:14 AM »

guns ?

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #46 on:** September 27, 2008, 04:08:29 AM »

Quote

Would someone please explain "tatical" to me ?

Sure. Its a close cousin to "tactical".

bearmgc · « **Reply #47 on:** September 29, 2008, 05:12:14 PM »

I think tactical is similar to testical, like made for a special purpose but burdensome in tight situations.

nomosendero · « **Reply #48 on:** September 29, 2008, 05:30:56 PM »

So that's why I have a pair of AR's in the safe. It is a "burden" that I gladly bear!!

Somebody's got to do it & the numbers are dwindling fast!

Hooker · « **Reply #49 on:** September 30, 2008, 04:07:37 PM »

Some of you are missing the point here. Tactical comes from the word tactics.
meaning to arrange or put in order. Not a bad way to build a rifle wouldn't you say.
Would that make a nontactical weapon a scattered mess?
I guess that makes us all tactical in some things. Some of us when we hunt we are tactical. Those who are not tactical are just wondering around the woods with a firearm.

Pat

nomosendero · « **Reply #50 on:** September 30, 2008, 04:27:51 PM »

Well that's curious timing

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #51 on:** October 01, 2008, 02:10:15 AM »

HOOKER ,that's not what Webster's says .
pretty much it is action at the battle front . limited action on a small scale with unknown or limited outcome . or air support or like . also to decribe weapons or troops deployed at the battle front .
your decription fits tactics . not looking for a fight - i just had to see what the def. was !

Swampman · « **Reply #52 on:** October 01, 2008, 02:26:27 AM »

Quote from: woodchukhntr on September 07, 2008, 01:52:40 PM

It is a term that means that it looks cool, and is of limited (at best) or no use to 99.99% of shooters.

Exactly!!!!!!!!

It's for junior Rambos. It helps them compensate.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #53 on:** October 01, 2008, 02:33:21 AM »

i was one of the first to have fun , BUT after looking it up - it could mean battle proven . guess its up to the buyer to choose when its a valid decription or pure BS !

nomosendero · « **Reply #54 on:** October 01, 2008, 04:36:53 PM »

Quote from: AtlLaw on September 10, 2008, 07:51:17 AM

Quote from: dukkillr on September 10, 2008, 05:38:04 AM
Tactical to the general public

Has just gotten a big boost! I understand that the Army has licensed Sears to use 1st ID's insignia, et al on a new clothing line! I'm sure it will all be "Tactical" apparel in appearance!

I'm not sure I'd like the idea of some kid, or anyone for that matter, wearing my old division's "Horse Blanket" if they were never in that unit... or maybe never been in the military!

Atlaw, I sure agree with that.

I watched this thread for days before I got involved with it, people using "Tactical" is just not an issue to me, one way or another. To a large degree, it is a function of Marketing. If using the term "tactical" increases sales, then the trend will continue. Myself, it has zero bearing on whether I buy the product or don't buy it. I decide what my needs are & buy accordingly. For example, I have a M700Varmit Synthetic in 308 that is the real deal when it comes to accuracy. It is configured a great deal like the SPS Tactical, except mine has the superior HS stock, but both are dull finished, bull barreled & syn. stocked M700's. I got a really good deal on the VS used & bought it instead of the Tactical. If I had seen the same deal with a Tactical & the VS were higher, then I would have bought the Tactical in that case, the name Tactical meant nothing in my decision. My Rock River AR is the Varmiter version & I would not paid any more or less if it had been called a Tactical, that just has no relevance at all in desirability. It's simple, really. If the word "tactical" gets your shorts in a wad, then don't buy ANYTHING if that's the term that is used to sell it & tell the retailer that you want a model that is not called tactical. The lack of sales will cure the problem in time & hopefully we can figure out a way to sleep till this passes.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #55 on:** October 02, 2008, 05:27:30 AM »

Just a quick thought. If the black stuff is "Tactical". What are all the "Pink" rifles and Shotguns called?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #56 on:** October 02, 2008, 05:28:29 AM »

LADIES

Skunk · « **Reply #57 on:** October 02, 2008, 02:16:07 PM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on October 02, 2008, 05:27:30 AM

Just a quick thought. If the black stuff is "Tactical". What are all the "Pink" rifles and Shotguns called?

The "pink" Savage Cub, or the "pink" Cricket that will occupy a space in my gun vault is going to be called my six-year-old daughter's first rifle.

charles p · « **Reply #58 on:** October 09, 2008, 03:00:30 PM »

Here goes my best attempt at explaining tactical. When I was a kid, cloth diapers were still in use and Superman was in the comics. We got our moms to pin a diaper around our necks and we jumped off steps and porches to see the diaper "fly" behind us. We also gathered around radios on Saturday morning to learn the latest moves by the Lone Ranger and others.

From that meger start, we developed into full fledged tactical fighters. We also built camps in the woods, made small camp fires. warmed pork and beans and Vienna sausage, all to confuse the enemy. Only the senoir officers ate sardines and crackers.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #59 on:** October 10, 2008, 04:06:13 AM »

so were the beans and weenies tatical or was it the sardine and cracker crowd ?