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Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« on: September 07, 2008, 04:15:01 PM »
From his website:

Barack Obama did not grow up hunting and fishing, but he recognizes the great conservation legacy of
America’s hunters and anglers and has great respect for the passion that hunters and anglers have for their sport.
Were it not for America’s hunters and anglers, including the great icons like Theodore Roosevelt and Aldo
Leopold, our nation would not have the tradition of sound game management, a system of ethical, science-based
game laws and an extensive public lands estate on which to pursue the sport. Obama recognizes that we must
forge a broad coalition if we are to address the great conservation challenges we face. America’s hunters and
anglers are a key constituency that must take an active role and have a powerful voice in this coalition.
PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS
Respect the Second Amendment: Millions of hunters and shooters own and use guns each year. Barack
Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of
Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase,
own, transport, and use guns.
EXPANDING ACCESS TO PLACES TO HUNT AND FISH
Barack Obama recognizes that American hunters and anglers are losing access to places to hunt and fish.
Obama supports the Open Fields Incentives legislation that provides incentives to farmers and ranchers who
voluntarily open their land to hunting, fishing and other wildlife-related activities.
CONSERVING FISH AND WILDLIFE
Barack Obama is fully committed to protecting the habitat for the fish and wildlife that sportsmen enjoy. He is
an advocate for preserving our wetlands and supports a broad range of national conservation programs,
including the North American Wetlands Conservation Act, the Land and Water Conservation Fund, and the
National Fish Habitat Plan.
Private Lands/Farm Bill: Because most land is privately owned, private landowners are the principal
stewards of America’s land and water. As a U.S. Senator, Barack Obama has supported conservation programs
that serve as a resource to landowners and assist them with sustainable environmental planning and best land
management practices. As president, Obama will make the conservation of private lands a priority. He will
fight to increase funding for the Conservation Security Program and the major set-aside programs such as the
Conservation Reserve Program, Wetlands Reserve Program, and Grasslands Reserve Program, so that rental
rates can compete with rising commodity prices. Obama will direct the Departments of Agriculture and the
Interior to place a special emphasis on restoration of habitat for important game species associated with specific
regions of the United States, such as bobwhite quail and Eastern and Osceola turkey habitat in the South, ruffed
grouse habitat in the Northeast, and sage grouse and pronghorn antelope habitat in the West. Obama also
supports the use of tax incentives and other financial mechanisms to encourage private landowners to restore
and protect habitat.

Jim
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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2008, 05:19:47 PM »
Man, what????  ;D

Man, you are in a dreamworld. I will be posting some of Barak's REAL gun views in the next few days.

What crap!!!  ;D ::)
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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2008, 05:57:42 PM »
From his website:

Barack Obama did not grow up hunting and fishing, but he recognizes the great conservation legacy of
America’s hunters and anglers and has great respect for the passion that hunters and anglers have for their sport.
Were it not for America’s hunters and anglers, including the great icons like Theodore Roosevelt and Aldo
Leopold, our nation would not have the tradition of sound game management, a system of ethical, science-based
game laws and an extensive public lands estate on which to pursue the sport. Obama recognizes that we must
forge a broad coalition if we are to address the great conservation challenges we face. America’s hunters and
anglers are a key constituency that must take an active role and have a powerful voice in this coalition.
PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS
Respect the Second Amendment: Millions of hunters and shooters own and use guns each year. Barack
Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of
Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase,
own, transport, and use guns.
EXPANDING ACCESS TO PLACES TO HUNT AND FISH
Barack Obama recognizes that American hunters and anglers are losing access to places to hunt and fish.
Obama supports the Open Fields Incentives legislation that provides incentives to farmers and ranchers who
voluntarily open their land to hunting, fishing and other wildlife-related activities.
CONSERVING FISH AND WILDLIFE
Barack Obama is fully committed to protecting the habitat for the fish and wildlife that sportsmen enjoy. He is
an advocate for preserving our wetlands and supports a broad range of national conservation programs,
including the North American Wetlands Conservation Act, the Land and Water Conservation Fund, and the
National Fish Habitat Plan.
Private Lands/Farm Bill: Because most land is privately owned, private landowners are the principal
stewards of America’s land and water. As a U.S. Senator, Barack Obama has supported conservation programs
that serve as a resource to landowners and assist them with sustainable environmental planning and best land
management practices. As president, Obama will make the conservation of private lands a priority. He will
fight to increase funding for the Conservation Security Program and the major set-aside programs such as the
Conservation Reserve Program, Wetlands Reserve Program, and Grasslands Reserve Program, so that rental
rates can compete with rising commodity prices. Obama will direct the Departments of Agriculture and the
Interior to place a special emphasis on restoration of habitat for important game species associated with specific
regions of the United States, such as bobwhite quail and Eastern and Osceola turkey habitat in the South, ruffed
grouse habitat in the Northeast, and sage grouse and pronghorn antelope habitat in the West. Obama also
supports the use of tax incentives and other financial mechanisms to encourage private landowners to restore
and protect habitat.

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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 06:30:26 PM »
  Dakota, I'm sure you and your Liberal buddies only own the "good" guns. Don't come here and post these outragous lies. The Filthy baby murdering liberal scum will stop at nothing to promote their vile candidate. You have really taken the cake by posting something so blatently stupid here. I used to think TM7 was a whacko but I don't think even he has posted anything so outright stupid or outragious.
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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 12:51:15 AM »
Well DEK all I gotta say to that is: errybody what believes that stand on yer head and gargle with peanut butter.


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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 12:59:17 AM »
  Dakota;
  Although I think highly of Nebraska; I'm still not going to even have a look at any ocean front land there that you may try to sell me !
 
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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 02:55:15 AM »
Just a thought,

I do not know the goal of the OP by posting this.  However, it came from Obama's website so when you debate an Obama supporter on the topic this is the information they will confront you with.  It is helpful in a discussion to know the talking points of the other side.  I would pose that anyone in support of Obama be asked to provide his voting record to back up the statements on the site.  Of couse, we all know that can not be provided because it does not exist.  Can we find a voting record that dispells these statements? 

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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 03:44:10 AM »
I just read on Boortz.com a quote from Barry on guns.  He was making the point even if he wanted to take our guns he would not have the votes.  Who  knows maybe he will have the votes after the electin.  He come Chicage which has a dismal record on guns. 

This guy is no friend of gunowners.

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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 02:02:18 PM »
  I think we should put this post up for the Graybeard Outdoors websight, Stupidest post ever contest. Come on Dakota, do you really believe that this crap is true? Posting this garbage about Barrak Hussien Obama would be like posting that the German concentration camps were Health Spas for Jews.

  Tell us you are just kidding and that you are not naive enough to believe this. But if you're not kidding please accept my invitation to the BBQ, TM7 says he ain't coming and we really need to have some comedy entertainment. I mean this makes all of TM7's silly conspiracy theories seem like gospel.
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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 02:16:59 PM »
From his website:

Barack Obama did not grow up hunting and fishing, but he recognizes the great conservation legacy of
America’s hunters and anglers and has great respect for the passion that hunters and anglers have for their sport.
Were it not for America’s hunters and anglers, including the great icons like Theodore Roosevelt and Aldo
Leopold, our nation would not have the tradition of sound game management, a system of ethical, science-based
game laws and an extensive public lands estate on which to pursue the sport. Obama recognizes that we must
forge a broad coalition if we are to address the great conservation challenges we face. America’s hunters and
anglers are a key constituency that must take an active role and have a powerful voice in this coalition.
PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS
Respect the Second Amendment: Millions of hunters and shooters own and use guns each year. Barack
Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of
Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase,
own, transport, and use guns.
EXPANDING ACCESS TO PLACES TO HUNT AND FISH
Barack Obama recognizes that American hunters and anglers are losing access to places to hunt and fish.
Obama supports the Open Fields Incentives legislation that provides incentives to farmers and ranchers who
voluntarily open their land to hunting, fishing and other wildlife-related activities.
CONSERVING FISH AND WILDLIFE
Barack Obama is fully committed to protecting the habitat for the fish and wildlife that sportsmen enjoy. He is
an advocate for preserving our wetlands and supports a broad range of national conservation programs,
including the North American Wetlands Conservation Act, the Land and Water Conservation Fund, and the
National Fish Habitat Plan.
Private Lands/Farm Bill: Because most land is privately owned, private landowners are the principal
stewards of America’s land and water. As a U.S. Senator, Barack Obama has supported conservation programs
that serve as a resource to landowners and assist them with sustainable environmental planning and best land
management practices. As president, Obama will make the conservation of private lands a priority. He will
fight to increase funding for the Conservation Security Program and the major set-aside programs such as the
Conservation Reserve Program, Wetlands Reserve Program, and Grasslands Reserve Program, so that rental
rates can compete with rising commodity prices. Obama will direct the Departments of Agriculture and the
Interior to place a special emphasis on restoration of habitat for important game species associated with specific
regions of the United States, such as bobwhite quail and Eastern and Osceola turkey habitat in the South, ruffed
grouse habitat in the Northeast, and sage grouse and pronghorn antelope habitat in the West. Obama also
supports the use of tax incentives and other financial mechanisms to encourage private landowners to restore
and protect habitat.

Jim

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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2008, 02:48:37 PM »
Don't try to lecture DEK, since he has not pronounced himself either Believer or Nonbeliever...unlike some here who seem to think they can be fully sure of something that is totally between the man and God...only he and God know for sure ! All we can do is consider the evidence

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2008, 03:26:42 PM »
Don't try to lecture DEK, since he has not pronounced himself either Believer or Nonbeliever...unlike some here who seem to think they can be fully sure of something that is totally between the man and God...only he and God know for sure ! All we can do is consider the evidence

Evidence!! Correct & Obama has an anti gun record (IL)with no pro gun stance to be found & no sign of pro hunting.
Non Libs know to watch what the politicians do & not what they say. And Biden is extremely anti gun, as much so as anyone in Congress. They are the most anti gun ticket ever. I can't believe the Socialist Demoncraps can put together such lies & Libs lap it up like a lap dog. Like I said I will provide info for this in a few days when I get back home & pick up some things my brother has gathered concerning this "Dem pick". I see no hurry, a couple more days will make it more fun. In the meantime some EVIDENCE in his record which would show support to sportsmen/Gun owners (not campaign talk) would be greatly appreciated.  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2008, 06:40:15 PM »
Maybe you guys didn't read it, but I said "for the Outdoorsmen."  Outoorsmen care about more than just guns.  We care about clean water, wildlife habitat, etc.  Don't expect most of you folks to understand....  As long as you can buy 30 rds. mags for your SKS, you don't care if they pave over the national forests.

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2008, 06:41:54 PM »
Don't try to lecture DEK, since he has not pronounced himself either Believer or Nonbeliever...unlike some here who seem to think they can be fully sure of something that is totally between the man and God...only he and God know for sure ! All we can do is consider the evidence

They are the most anti gun ticket ever.

Hmmm....when was the last election this was NOT said?

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2008, 11:41:24 PM »
Maybe you guys didn't read it, but I said "for the Outdoorsmen."  Outoorsmen care about more than just guns.  We care about clean water, wildlife habitat, etc.  Don't expect most of you folks to understand....  As long as you can buy 30 rds. mags for your SKS, you don't care if they pave over the national forests.

Jim

  Ok Mr. Outdoorsman, first of all, what do you own for firearms? Do you acctually think that your firearms are not the evil types? Do you think your savior Barrak Hussien Obama knows a the slightest bit about the outdoors? I highly doubt it, being he has never been an outdoorsman or hunter. And outdoorsmen and gun owners are very often one and the same.

  So why are you supporting you liberal savior Barrak Hussien Obama? Now don't try to sell us this pro gun/outdoors crap. He is niether, why ware you voting for him, cut to the thick of it and let us all know why we should vote for him. I can't imagine anyone here believes this outdoors garbage about Obama.
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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2008, 01:38:17 AM »
Don't try to lecture DEK, since he has not pronounced himself either Believer or Nonbeliever...unlike some here who seem to think they can be fully sure of something that is totally between the man and God...only he and God know for sure ! All we can do is consider the evidence

They are the most anti gun ticket ever.

Hmmm....when was the last election this was NOT said?

Jim

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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 01:40:04 AM »
Maybe you guys didn't read it, but I said "for the Outdoorsmen."  Outoorsmen care about more than just guns.  We care about clean water, wildlife habitat, etc.  Don't expect most of you folks to understand....  As long as you can buy 30 rds. mags for your SKS, you don't care if they pave over the national forests.

Jim

I thought you may want to change the gun control side of the story!  ;D

Don't have an SKS, but I will ask anyway.

What exactly has Obama done for the forrest, water, etc. Name one thing!  ;D
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 02:14:57 AM »
Dakota did us a favor, so we shouldn't be shooting the messenger.  What Obama said could apply to any country in Europe, where hunting the the preserve of the rich and privileged.   The issue addressed is a narrow one, access to hunting.  It does not address the Second Amendment in regards to self defense, nor does it claim to.  Supporting hunting by itself is not very comforting.  I once read a book on hunting with non-gun methods, even including using large toads.  Regulations on weapons are separate from constitutional rights.  I recall reading an article on hunting in Norway that mentioned modifying the magazine so that the weapon could only hold two rounds. A gunshop in Innsbruck,Austria, which has a rich hunting tradition, only carried single-shot rifles, and the cheapest one was around $6,000.  All told, what Obama has posted sounds good, but lacks any substance.

Humor section: When I ran the spell check, it hit on "Obama" and suggested "ABM".  Sapce that one out as you will.

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2008, 03:03:53 AM »
I believe that John Kerry tried a simiar tactic as a picture was released with him in upland hunting garb that appeared to be brand new with a fine quality shotgun that also appeared to be new. What a joke...I am suprised that he knew which end of the gun to hold.

I used to be fairly confident that my State would protect me due to the considerabe money that the DNR raises with the licenses, permits, and such.
Now I am not so sure as a liberal Judge took away (Montana's?) right to manage their own wolf population which is excessive but was retained on the endangered list in a recent ruling.

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2008, 04:57:17 AM »
Dakota did us a favor, so we shouldn't be shooting the messenger.  What Obama said could apply to any country in Europe, where hunting the the preserve of the rich and privileged.   The issue addressed is a narrow one, access to hunting.  It does not address the Second Amendment in regards to self defense, nor does it claim to.  Supporting hunting by itself is not very comforting.  I once read a book on hunting with non-gun methods, even including using large toads.  Regulations on weapons are separate from constitutional rights.  I recall reading an article on hunting in Norway that mentioned modifying the magazine so that the weapon could only hold two rounds. A gunshop in Innsbruck,Austria, which has a rich hunting tradition, only carried single-shot rifles, and the cheapest one was around $6,000.  All told, what Obama has posted sounds good, but lacks any substance.

Humor section: When I ran the spell check, it hit on "Obama" and suggested "ABM".  Sapce that one out as you will.

Well said.  I found this thread to be distressing not because I would vote for Obama, but because of the ignorant knee-jerk reactions it created.  In fact, I find some of the reactions so distasteful I'd be prone to consider that person's candidate to be a poor choice, if I didn't know any better.  Can't any of you just read it and think?  Why is it so necessary to attack the guy who posted it?  What, exactly, did he do?  Is presenting Obama's message (so that you may understand what is being sold) harming you?  How does knowing more work against you?

And for the record, I do agree with Dakota about the 30 rd mags thing.  I've suggested that hunters and "gun guys" have been growing farther appart for years.  They are distinctly different hobbies, occasionally mutually exclusive.  If you need a good reference on that, search for "Elk Hunting 50 BMG" and see the thread between Redhawk and NONYA. 

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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2008, 05:59:49 AM »
Basically politicians will say anything to get the votes in order to get into office.

What they do after they are elected is usually nothing about what they preach while campaigning.

This post has given me even more reason to vote against Obama, thank you.

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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2008, 07:31:52 AM »
As a resident of Obama's home state where he was a community organizer and state legislator, I am rather offended by the patent misrepresentation of his views on gun ownership as posted.  Read  "PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS" above.  It does not square with the reality of Obama's record, and particularly does not square with the acts of his political allies.  I am astounded that anyone with any knowledge whatsoever of the progression of the many absurd, useless gun laws in Illinois would not challenge the posted dishonest representation of Obama's views on gun ownership.

Dakota Elk Slayer is a big boy.  He has jousted and exchanged barbs with others on these forums.  He is an avowed Obama supporter.  He posted the forementioned propaganda and defended the contents.  He impugned that some who have issues with the Obama misrepresentation as posted " don't care if they pave over the national forests as long as they can buy 30 round magazines for their SKS".  I don't think that type of rhetoric puts things in a very realistic perspective. I don't think the 50 BMG thing with Redhawk and Nonya are substantially representative of the mainstream issues that most of us disagree with Obama on either. As long as we have freedoms, there will always be those types of debates, but they are not the central issues.   

I am far from an SKS/30 round magazine person.  I have collected and enjoyed firearms almost all of my life.  I love the outdoors and have devoted over 50 years to conservation and firearms safety in word, deed, and financial support.  I am now 62, recently retired and want to enjoy what I have worked for, and towards, while I still can.  I perceive Obama, and his supporters, to be opposed to the way of life that I cherish and the heritage that I want to pass on to my children and grandchildren.




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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2008, 08:04:42 AM »
What do you want, fancy talk or real action?  There's no need for staged photo ops like Kerry's big duck hunting adventure.  When she ran for Governor, Sarah and her family had a table at Alaska's largest gun show.  No wonder she still has an 82% approval rating after 2 years in office.  Sarah's the real deal. 

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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2008, 08:05:23 AM »
Sorry, I just can't resist.......................

"Obama will direct the Departments of Agriculture and the
Interior to place a special emphasis on restoration of habitat for important game species associated with specific
regions of the United States, such as bobwhite quail and Eastern and Osceola turkey habitat in the South, ruffed
grouse habitat in the Northeast, and sage grouse and pronghorn antelope habitat in the West. Obama also
supports the use of tax incentives and other financial mechanisms to encourage private landowners to restore
and protect habitat."

How many believe that Obama even knows what an Osceola turkey or a sage grouse is?  :D :D :D
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2008, 09:37:23 AM »
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I think we should put this post up for the Graybeard Outdoors websight, Stupidest post ever contest.


1 vote here.  BTW, Obama's propoganda is hilarious. 
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2008, 10:20:40 AM »
I am not even going to waste my time to look for it but if someone else wants to Look up what Gov Blago said in one of his rants about being for the outdoors man and being consevation minded to get some of the souther part of the states vote to be elected and then the truth was shown. You will probly find a paper that is word for word what was printed here. fact is This gov has taken what was considered one of the top run DNR's in the states into one of the most terrible and our IL dnr is in complete shambles now . That is what you can expect from the Chicago machine in washington you liberals need to get you head outof yer hiney. Kurt
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2008, 02:26:49 PM »
For anybody that believes that truck load of crap, please PM me. I have a barely used bridge in a great location that I need a sucker....uh, buyer for. ::)
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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2008, 02:36:29 PM »
   Hey which of the previous candidates for the baby killer party was the one who said his favorite method for deer hunting was crawling through the brush with his trusty shotgun? Was it AlGore or Kerry?  I bet Dakota thought these guys were all bout hunting n outdoors too. Dakota you sure your an Outdoorsman or have you just read about it in your Sierra Club magazine. :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2008, 03:20:28 PM »
BILLY. That was kerry. He said there was nothing quite like crawling along on the forest floor deer hunting with his dbl bbl 12 ga. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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Re: Obama platform for the Outdoorsmen
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2008, 03:26:03 PM »
Dakota did us a favor, so we shouldn't be shooting the messenger.  What Obama said could apply to any country in Europe, where hunting the the preserve of the rich and privileged.   The issue addressed is a narrow one, access to hunting.  It does not address the Second Amendment in regards to self defense, nor does it claim to.  Supporting hunting by itself is not very comforting.  I once read a book on hunting with non-gun methods, even including using large toads.  Regulations on weapons are separate from constitutional rights.  I recall reading an article on hunting in Norway that mentioned modifying the magazine so that the weapon could only hold two rounds. A gunshop in Innsbruck,Austria, which has a rich hunting tradition, only carried single-shot rifles, and the cheapest one was around $6,000.  All told, what Obama has posted sounds good, but lacks any substance.

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Well said.  I found this thread to be distressing not because I would vote for Obama, but because of the ignorant knee-jerk reactions it created.  In fact, I find some of the reactions so distasteful I'd be prone to consider that person's candidate to be a poor choice, if I didn't know any better.  Can't any of you just read it and think?  Why is it so necessary to attack the guy who posted it?  What, exactly, did he do?  Is presenting Obama's message (so that you may understand what is being sold) harming you?  How does knowing more work against you?

And for the record, I do agree with Dakota about the 30 rd mags thing.  I've suggested that hunters and "gun guys" have been growing farther appart for years.  They are distinctly different hobbies, occasionally mutually exclusive.  If you need a good reference on that, search for "Elk Hunting 50 BMG" and see the thread between Redhawk and NONYA. 

Not a bad point, as he did not say it was his belief but showing Obama's site, & I don't know what others were THINKING , but for me personally I did not say Dakota was crap, but what he posted is. I have believed things in the past that turned out to be crap, therefor not personal.
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