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Build your own rifle?
« on: September 09, 2008, 03:51:02 PM »
How hard is it to build a rifle.  I am not talking some high dollar custom, but just a good shooting rifle that you built yourself.  Or is it better to buy one and then "trick it out" to your liking?  I am looking at a Ruger 204 with a bull barrel.  Thanks 

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Re: Build your own rifle?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 04:48:17 PM »
If you have the expertise to do it then why not.
Just make sure you register it with the BATFE when you are done.
As far as cost I would think it would be cheaper to just buy one.


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Re: Build your own rifle?
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2008, 10:07:27 AM »
How hard is it to build a rifle.

I think we need some clarification there Sparky!   ;)

When you say build, do you mean machine the action, turn and rifle the barrel type of build, or the assemble parts type of build?   ???

I can't think of anybody, gunsmiths included, that actually make all the parts and assemble the rifle themselves nowadays; for a number of reasons, one of which LongTom eluded to.  What exactly were you envisioning as a "build?" 
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Re: Build your own rifle?
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2008, 10:14:20 AM »
If your talking about rebarreling an action I use a gun smith and have the action trued and the lugs lapped. But for a .204 I would highly recomand a CZ 527. I have one with a lite weight barrel and it`s a real tack driver out of the box. I was going to float the barrel and bed the action, but the way it shoots I`m scard to mess with it. They also come with a set trigger, and you can`t build a rifle for what you can buy one of them for. The new Savages with the acutrigger are real nice and shoot well.

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Re: Build your own rifle?
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2008, 11:09:27 AM »
How hard is it to build a rifle.

I think we need some clarification there Sparky!   ;)

When you say build, do you mean machine the action, turn and rifle the barrel type of build, or the assemble parts type of build?   ???

I can't think of anybody, gunsmiths included, that actually make all the parts and assemble the rifle themselves nowadays; for a number of reasons, one of which LongTom eluded to.  What exactly were you envisioning as a "build?" 

Alt, You are on a roll today. You never fail to get a laugh out of me.  ;D

But seriously, I have to belive that he is talking about customizing and not building. If you had the ability to build, you would not have to ask. Before anyone ask, I do not have that ability either. :P

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2008, 11:25:11 AM »
It would be cheaper to "trick out" a Remington 700. 
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Re: Build your own rifle?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2008, 02:38:14 PM »
I am talking about buying the parts and putting it together.  There is no way I could tool the parts myself.  I am just looking at options for a new rifle want one that is a good shooter.

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2008, 06:10:33 AM »
I am talking about buying the parts and putting it together. ... a new rifle want one that is a good shooter.

I don't know what your experience level with firearms is, or just how enthusiastic and enthusiast you are, but from the wording of your posts I'd say guns and shooting are not your big passion in life.   ;)  If that's the case, that's just Jim Dandy!  A person with a passing interest is better for our sport then one with no interest.   ;D

If I'm wrong, sorry... no offense intended....   :)  But my answer is aimed at my impression.  And my opinion is:  You would probably do well to just buy one of the less expensive bolt guns in your caliber of choice.  Sumpin' like a Savage maybe.

The reason I say that is because, when you talk about putting parts together, it's a little bit more involved then that.  I have had one rifle built for me by a gunsmith, and I doubt if you are considering that (very expensive) route.  I have a couple of projects in the works, but I'm more of the general contractor in those, at least with respect to the metal work.  Even then, the final cost of those rifles will probably end up being much more then it would cost me to buy one of the new Model 70's!   ::)  In other words, I think you would find the sum of the parts and labor would exceed the cost of a new rifle.  Hence, buy off the shelf and "trick it out" as you say.  And I'll bet the guys around here have a few tricks up their sleeves!   ;D
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Re: Build your own rifle?
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2008, 02:00:53 PM »
AtlLaw, you are very correct in your statement.  I like to shoot, but after reading your post, I feel that it would be a waste of time and money for me to get into a project this large.  I guess, I am going to start looking for a used or good buy bolt gun and "trick it out"  Thanks for the great advice.   ;D

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2008, 02:35:27 PM »
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Re: Build your own rifle?
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2008, 06:14:53 AM »
Used to be you could find kits to build traditional black powder rifles like Hawkens.  They furnished all the parts and you fitted them, sanded, finished the stock, etc.

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Re: Build your own rifle?
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2008, 07:14:21 AM »
kits to build traditional black powder rifles like Hawkens.

I assembled a couple of those kits many years ago for my eldest son and me.  They were very inexpensive, even at that time, from CVA.  Got me interested in actually building, to use the term loosely, BP rifles.  A modern rifle is a different principle however.

With muzzle loaders everything attaches to the stock and it is the glue that holds all the parts together.  To me that makes the woodworking aspect primary.  I can do that, been carving wood for grins all my life.

With modern rifles the base component is the action.  Everything screws into or bolts onto it.  Again, to me, that makes metalworking the primary aspect.  And I make no claims to being a machinist!  I have neither the knowledge or equipment required.  ALL that work gets farmed out to people capable of doing it correctly.  Once the action is all done, then maybe I can get involved in the woodworking angle.  But even then, with the availability of really nice 99.999% inlet stocks, and (ugh!) synthetic stocks, that work is minimal! 

Unfortunately, when you look at it from the cost angle, if you can't do it all - the woodwork and the metalwork - "building" a rifle is more like coordinating the assembly of a rifle and just plain expensive!  Of course I'm not talking about taking that Turk Mauser you bought for $39.95, cutting the barrel and stock down with a hacksaw and gluing on some sights with epoxy either!   ;D  (No offense Bubba!)

I've got 2 rifle projects in the working stage now.  A Rem M7 to be a .250 Savage, and a M96 Swede to be a 7x57.  Two types of actions, one commercial and one military, with two sets of considerations.  Great fun in the planning, decision making, etc. chores, and I can proceed at my own pace, which is very slowly... start looking at the pricing on the work involved and you can see why!
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Re: Build your own rifle?
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2008, 03:27:45 PM »
I think your headed in the right direction. After you get your new gun take it out and do some shooting and see what kind of groups you can get. Then start working on it. First float the barrel, adjust the trigger and bed the action. These are all thing you can do yourself, and you should be able to see the difference after your work.