Encore problem

[encore58]

I have a custom barrel and I have tried it two seperate actions and it has the same problem. If I use virgin brass it load and extracts fine. If I neck resize the brass when I relaod it is difficult to close and cock but does extract. If I shoot a virgin brass reload it closes and locks and shoots fine but if I put the same piece of fired brass back in the barrel the action will not close and I have to take a rod to knock the piece of brass back out.

Any help would be appreciated.

[Kurt L]

#1 the encore and any break action is a differant ball game than a bolt action etc for hand loading.
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You must bump the shoulder back 
In most cases your full length rezise won't move it much but it will load like new brass=
I have a encore 30-30 and I full length size them and the chamber is real good on this barrel
and the brass don't get sized much but loads like new the the brass from some 30-30 lever actions
I load for the shoulders are moved out a lot compared to the encore and this brass gets sized or worked a lot more becouse of a sloppy chamber.to get it to shoot good full length size your brass and you will be good to go ,if you buy or have tools above you can set full length size die to just bump shoulder back .but as I said most tc barrels I have loaded for tend to have good chambers and are close to spec so the full length sizer don't work the brass a lot but does set the shoulder back to spec.
extractors get badalso but in this case I would your brass is the trouble.

[encore58]

Thanks Kurt.
I figured the brass would need full length rezized and that was the problem. This is a brand new MGM barrel. Do you feel this may have a sloppy chamber or do you think it is normal. I have never had brass that I could not rechamber in an Enccore  like this and I was hoping to just neck size the brass. Is this something that I would be justified in returning the barrel to MGM?

[Kurt L]

What chamber are you workimg with?
I would bet it has a good tight chamber.
but what is it?.

[encore58]

6mm Remington

[Kurt L]

the 6mm is going to get case stretch more than say a jdj or ackley versions that have staighter side walls and grip the chamber better.
I don't belive you are going to get by with neck size only.and the hands on one on one aproatch
and cost of the barrels they do I would bet it is good to go but things do happen from time to time.

If I use virgin brass it load and extracts fine.

This also makes me think your chamber is fine or it would hang up at this point.

If I neck resize the brass when I relaod it is difficult to close and cock but does extract.

This your case has stretched and your head space is off and is to long =hard to close.
neck size will not due and you will need to full length size to get that shoulder back to  get the proper head space. some times these have head space problems with custom barrels and they require your action to get this set corectly when building a barrel.
to much head space or a big gap will couse miss fires as the shell fits to loose or the oposite is tight and hard to close.
you didn't say you had problems with miss fires etc so I would also think your barrel to action fit and head space is good or close.

I am sending you a pm.

[RonF]

Get a full length sizing die and set it so there is a gap about the thickness of a nickel between the die and shell holder with the ram at the top of the stroke.  Slowly reduce this gap about a quarter turn at a time until the fired case just will chamber with a snap.  At this point, you have the case just about fitting the chamber.  Firing and resizing to this dimension will minimize brass stretching.

Hope this helps.

RonF

[encore58]

Thanks for the input fellows....I orderd a Redding 2-die set (full length) from Midway last night and I am sure this will correct the issue. Like I said, if I neck resized it closed, but with difficulty and if I just put the spent case back in the chamber it would not close and get stuck inside. I literally had to used a cleaning rod and knock it out. The good news is the 6mm is one of my favorite cartridges and I have about 750 pieces of virgin brass I bought when Clinton was in office.  I need to build another 6mm with a 700 action.
This barrel I received sure is nice looking and I had it rough shot in, cleaning between shots, after 5 rounds. I bought a 24 inch stainless fluted barrel. I mounted a Bushnell Elite 4200 3X9 on it and couldn't be happier. It has camo furniture and and blued frame, SS barrel.     

[encore58]

I received my new Redding full length dies and had to adjust them down until the die hit the base of the Forster press when fully stroked. It shuts up and appears to lock OK, cock, and extract. It is a tight chamber. It does snap or ring when shutting but not quite as loud as the vigin brass. I can cock the hammer and if I try to open the action without pulling on the trigger guard lever it will not open. When I open it has to be pulled out with a little more force than with vigin brass. I figure it is so tight of a tolerance that the end of the case is just about coming in contact with the action. I suppose this is a good thing and should shoot accurately.
Thanks everyone.