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Cannon Spotted South Texas
« on: September 14, 2008, 08:54:59 AM »
Found this one on a recent trip to South Padre Island. Came up as a point of intrest on Map Quest. Not much there just this cannon at the entrance.


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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2008, 09:06:25 AM »
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2008, 09:16:43 AM »
left one out

It's the date but a little dark and cant remember it.
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2008, 10:08:04 AM »
      Looks like you have found a  24 Pdr. Pattern 1819 Iron Siege gun which appears to be in good condition.  Trunnion marks would ID this piece for sure, but like I keep telling my kids, "You can't have everything!"  Any more in the area similar to this one?

Regards,

Tracy and Mike

PS  Could be an 18 Pdr. Model 1845 too, but these are far more rare.
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2008, 10:13:18 AM »
The last number is obscured, but the third number appears to be a five.




That puts the date of manfacture sometime between 1850-1859. This means that while this gun may be representative of the style used there, it was not at the battle of Palo Alto in 1846.

Still a cool find, any 150+ year old cannon is a real treasure. And given the DOM it's quite possible that this piece may have seen action during the American Civil War.
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2008, 10:23:18 AM »
As you can see in the first pic half the trunnion is in concrete.
Thanks Terry C I was hopping some one could do that fore me.
Best guess is
muzzle- No 22  and L A B W
Left trunnion - R P P  and obscured F
Right trunnion - 1855
top - US
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2008, 10:28:17 AM »
T&M, judging by the photo on cwartillery.org, the muzzle swell is wrong for an 1819 24-pounder.

The photo for the 1845 18-pounder isn't working.

Some indication of size would be a big help here, since most of the 1840 and later iron siege guns are very similar in appearance.
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2008, 10:39:17 AM »
For comparison, here I am with the 24-pounder Iron Siege Gun, Model of 1845 at the local Confederate Soldiers Memorial.


(click on image for larger photo)


The South Padre Island gun doesn't seem nearly as 'fat' as this one.

Hey, I'm one to be talkin'...
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2008, 10:40:45 AM »
Well 6" bore or close the breach probably 20" round and pushing 8' long.
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2008, 10:42:28 AM »
Kinda looks like a 12-pounder iron siege gun, Model of 1845.  Compare with this pic from cwartillery.org:



Seems to have the cylindrical first reinforce mentioned there.

Although a 6" bore says 24 pounder, also with a cylindrical first reinforce.



The F beneath the RPP is probably WPF (West Point Foundry), RPP (arrott)'s factory.  Interesting they were making iron guns then.
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2008, 10:44:13 AM »
     You know what, Terry, I think you are correct.  I was talking to a friend in Texas about IKE and not paying enough attention to this gun.  It sure does look like an 1845 to me now, and probably a 24 Pdr. also.  The muzzle swell really looks the same as the 1845 and the taper starts in the correct place too.  The only 18 Pdr. we have ever found is at West Point.

     Terry,   Yours in Waycross looks like a perfect match to the Padre Island gun.  I think you nailed it, a 24 Pdr. Model 1845 Iron Siege Gun, a fine looking siege and seacoast type cannon.

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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2008, 10:49:41 AM »
better lighting hear

Thees wear taken about three weeks after Dolly.
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2008, 10:53:22 AM »
Wonder how much water was in the bore.    >:(
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2008, 10:58:56 AM »
Must have been the camera angle in the first photo, The profile in this one looks more like the 1845 siege guns.

"6" bore or close"

5.82" would make it a 24-pounder.

It's a good possibility that it's an 1845 like the one I'm posing with.

Here is a hind-end photo of that gun...

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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2008, 11:07:38 AM »
I was wishing I had a can of spray fome to keep out elements. Their was a bird nest in their it looked wet.
That looks like it Terry
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Re: Cannon Spotted South Texas
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2008, 01:29:30 PM »
The late Wayne Stark's artillery registry of surviving Civil War cannon this gun is a 24 pdr seige gun Model 1845.  The marking listed: WPF (West Point Foundry), Registry #22,  LABW (Louis A. de Barth Walbach, Inspecting Ordnance Officer 1853),  Foundry #53  There are 15 known survivors.
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