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Any luck with bismuth loads for upland gunning?
« on: September 15, 2008, 02:44:34 AM »
I'm thinking of trying bismuth 7 1/2 for upland and duck hunting. How does it perform relative to lead? Thanks.
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Re: Any luck with bismuth loads for upland gunning?
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2008, 05:20:18 AM »
Should do just fine but is much more expensive so if lead is a legal option I'd stick with it.

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Re: Any luck with bismuth loads for upland gunning?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 06:11:41 AM »
GB:

Thanks for the info. In my case I see the occasional wood duck or mallard and would like to have a legal option. I don't shoot a lot in the field, so a box of bismuth every year or two is no problem.

I've been spending a lot of time with the kids. They're getting pretty old now and there's not much time left with them. My son is 16 now, and daughter is 14. I do things with them as much as possible. Turning 50 and seeing the kids almost grown really got to me. Grandma Questor just turned 90, and needs a lot of help. I haven't shot a .45 ACP since March. Got some out yesterday but it rained before I finished shooting .22. Quit shooting matches for a while, but shot a couple recently. Work isn't too happy either right now.  Started shooting shotgun again a couple of weeks ago.

I owe you an apology for not stopping by back in June. Questor Jr and I drove through Alabama and were within 100 miles of Graybeard Manor. It was pretty late and we were highballing it to return home from a Florida fishing trip. I really wish I had called and stopped by, or otherwise had made the time. It was a mistake.

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Re: Any luck with bismuth loads for upland gunning?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 06:20:54 AM »
Yup wish you had taken time to drop by so we could have met and talked awhile. Perhaps one of these days we'll be able to make a hunt together some where. I've just picked up a new 2008 Toyota Sequoia me and Mrs. GB are hoping to use it to head out to OK next spring for the annual GBO Prairie Dog hunt and then do a bit of driving around out there while there. She wants to see some of the country out there and there are some folks we're wanting to visit who live there.


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Re: Any luck with bismuth loads for upland gunning?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 07:19:08 AM »
I hope the PD hunt is excellent. That's a lot of fun. I'd like to do that again.

Questor Jr did some good work back in March with his first spot and stalk hunt at a preserve. He took an eating sized hog and a mouflon. He used his Tikka .308, which is a fabulous rifle for the money. It's the lightweight synthetic stainless left-handed model. Really sweet. Ammo was 150 grain Speers downloaded about 200fps in velocity to keep the recoil low. Bang. Thump. Very effective. I was hoping that this would be a good hunt for getting him past the buck fever stage. Afterward, he told me it wasn't a very challenging hunt. I agreed with him, and then in typical parental fashion found a tactful way later to remind him that his shot on the hog didn't hit where he was aiming (but killed the animal instantly anyway) and that it took two shots before he even hit the sheep (before the third one killed it instantly.)  Hopefully it was a quantum leap for him. Our next hunt together, if there is one, will be for pronghorn. It's a great first guided hunt. But that's strictly optional. I feel I've done what I needed to do to get him into hunting. The rest will be largely up to him.

But I think he will probably find other interests. I sold some guns that were no longer being used and one was a Kimber 45, a good one. I offered him the unlimited use of the gun but he just wasn't interested. So I sold it.

On the same hunt I used yon 44 S&W 629 with Nosler partitions on an eating sized hog. I wasn't impressed with the bullets. May as well go back to using good hard cast bullets and get the better penetration.  The first shot took the top of the lungs. Two follow-up shots went to the neck. The neck shots took the hog down, but did't kill it right away. A better first shot would have helped. I had forgotten that the vitals of a hog are lower than they seem because of the ridge of hair on the back of the animal. I was about 3 inches higher than I would have liked to be.

Florida was a fishing extravaganza. We trailered our 14 foot aluminum yacht, the HMS Questor, to the gulf and fished for a little of everything. Questor Jr still won't handle sharks. Can't understand why. In fishing I like the unusual, and got a good bit of it one day when big gafftopsail catfish were taking topwater plugs in 12 feet of water. I was having a ball. Usually a saltwater cat is an occasion for swearing at the bait stealer, but these were bigger fish, around 7 pounds. I've only occasionally caught cats on topwater baits before. This was a rare treat. Another big treat for me was catching my first pompano from the surf. Quite a great fish.

Jr had never been to the South before and this was a good orientation. He's not used to seeing black people in any numbers, and he had to adjust his hearing to understand what people were saying. Fathers Day, on our way down, he took me out for breakfast in Selma, and we talked about how important the civil rights movement was, and how we were in the seat of it then. We also discussed how delicious the ham was, as it can only be in the South.

How far are you from the north-south interstate that runs through B'ham?

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Re: Any luck with bismuth loads for upland gunning?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008, 12:20:34 PM »
Let me know far enough in advance when you get ready for the pronghorn hunt with with or without Jr I'll try to make it this time. I regret I wasn't able to go with you on your first one. I've still not taken one myself and do want to do that before I die.

Hey I live here and I can't understand the jive talk young blacks use these days.

From I65/I20 interchange it's probably 60 miles or so to my house. It varies a bit depending on the route you take. For a fellow not used to the area coming to Oxford on I20 and catching US431 is likely the easiest route but takes a bit more time and is a few miles further than taking the back roads like I do but has far fewer turns and therefore would have been easier for you.

The NEF Handi Holic guys set up the PD hunt out in the far end of the OK Panhandle several years ago I think there has been either four or five so far and another will be held next year in late May or early June time frame. It's an annual event now basically open to any GBO member on a first come first served basis. I went to the first and the last one this year. They are great fun and Dan throws a feast each day that is to kill for. I'm hoping my health and finances are up to the trip in 2009 to let Mrs. GB see the sights in OK she was promised by her dad as a young tyke but which they never managed. There are also several GBO members who live out there that want us to drop by for a short visit while we're there and I hope to do that too.

If we can we'll hit the NE corner of NM, SE corner of CO and perhaps the TX panhandle and SW KS while there. At least that's the game plan for now.


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