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When a Garmin LEGEND dies the batteries maybe under size!
« on: August 02, 2003, 03:41:46 PM »
My Garmin Legend has started dying on me when on good batteries.  This appears to be a know problem with the Legend.  I just requested a return number from Garmin so that I can get it repaired.  It will operate great for an unknown time, then the sneaky will turn-off.  When I turn it back on it will work great for sometime, and then shutdown on its own.  I purchased this unit in 2002.  I hope the problem has been corrected in current production runs.  While under warranty it still cost use time, and money.

Getting to be a busy time of year, I will hate to be without it, but rather now then in the fall season.  I like the unit.  Today I was able to punch in the LAT/LONGs of major fires burning in the West and then upload the information to my pc using the USA Topo program.  I had plan on doing the samething while scouting for bucks in the next few weeks.  Darn, I guess I will have to use Township and section on my old maps.

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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2003, 01:25:14 PM »
Garmin exchanged my old legend for another.  They say the old unit met operational performance specifications.  They transferred my waypoint data to the exchange unit.  They included the following statement, "There is a specification that allows a certain amount of tolerance in the size of batteries.  Garmin units are design to work with batteries on the upper end of the specification."  They believe the batteries that I am using are on the lower side of the specification.  I should note that I am using three different brands or styles of rechargeable batteries most of the time.

This is not the first time the size of different brand AA batteries have caused a problem.  We gave a granddaughter camera that would not function with Brand A batteries, it functioned with Brand B batteries.

Back in the days when I carried a portable radio(HT set) with a battery pack on board there was a problem with one manufactures batteries cracking, and breaking the battery packs because that brand of AA batteries were to large. I writer on another form stated that he had a problem with the AA's, but no problem when contected to with a power cord to a lighter outlet.

I guess the bottom line is thank god battery manufactures do not make bullets for reloading. :roll:

Garmin's service was very timelyand good.  

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2003, 12:45:26 PM »
My Garmin has had battery problems too. I took out the ni-cads and started using Alkalines. That helped a bunch. When it got cold (below freezing) the Alkalines wouldn't work until they were warmed up. I put in a set of Lithiums and what a change. Lithiums put out good power down to -20 or lower. They last 2 to 3 times longer than Alkalines but cost quite a bit more. I figure that's a cheep price to pay for reliability.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2003, 04:20:25 PM »
I just returned from a trip across six Western States using the replacement Legend that Garmin sent me.  On some days the gps was going 24-hours a day using rechargeable batteries and Alkalines.  Neither failed.  I was on rough logging roads on most days.  I never had a power failure.  The Legend was a great tool.  A friend had a Garmin GPS76S which is larger and better for car or boat travel.  I believe the lighter Legend is better for the hunter who gets out and hikes. If I had the bucks I would have both.

It was neat to input a Lat/Long into the gps and travel 26 miles into the backcounty to meet a friend.  I could have done it without the gps but there was a maze of old logging roads many of which do not show on current maps.  The Legend pointed the way.  

Instead I just bought a fishfinder with a gps unit.  The wife does not understand why I walk a mile to save ten cents on a can of peas but spend all kinds of money on boat toys.

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2003, 03:28:15 AM »
There is a vast difference in capacities of rechargeable batteries.  My hobby besides shooting is radio control airplanes.  The radio systems are powered only by rechargeables.  We trust planes costing several thousand dollars to these batteries, so we must use the best available.  If our batteries go dead, the plane is destroyed.  Some days we drain and recharge the batteries several times in one day of flying.

The over-the-counter rechargeable batteries just do not have the capacity of the premium cells that are available.  The charge rating of these cells is in milli-amp-hour or mAh.  Most of the batteries available at discount stores are in the 200 to 300 mah range.  A good Sayno or Kan brand cell will have a rating of 1100 to 1400 mAh for the same size cell.  This would mean a 4 to 7 times longer run time.  My suggestion would be a 1600 mAh, Sayno, button top, that will drop in your Garmin.

Alkaline will last longer, but tend to get expensive if used a lot.  But, if you have a charger that works from a 12 volt system, you can charge in the field and not have to carry extra alkalines.  

Here are a couple of sites that sell Sanyo and Kan batteries, plus a site that explaines everything you need to know about rechargeable cells, and then some.  Give them a call and explain what you need.  They can fix you up with batteries and chargers if needed.

 http://www.cheapbatterypacks.com
http://www.radicalrc.com
http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com/

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2003, 01:45:45 PM »
Nashcat:

Interesting links you posted.  

I have been using Rayovac 1600 and 1800 mAH batteries with good results.  I also have a few sets of Lenmar 2000 mAH batteries.  The king has been Energizer 1600 mAH which we bought 3 yearsago to use in the digital camera.  

I have car charger for the batteries if needed.  That is if I have time to pack it.  I had no notice on the Montana trip and left it at home.  

When I restock the rechargeable batteries I will try the Sayno batteries you suggest.
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2200 & 2300mAH NiMH Batteries
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2003, 08:15:45 PM »
Siskiyou:
Here's a link to another battery supply site you might be interested in. I've bought their MAHA POWEREX MH-C401FS 100 Minute COOL CHARGER along with extra MAHA POWEREX 2200mAH AA NiMH Batteries  and am quite happy with their performance in my GPS and Motorola Talkabout 250s. I can hunt all weekend without changing batteries and I can "fast" recharge in either 100 min or "slow" charge in 5 hours. They have chargers available in other battery sizes too, plus almost any battery size you might need for "special applications". I notice that they now have 2300mAH  batteries available now too.

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/index.htm

I think that I just might test them in my GPS to see just how many hours they'll actually  last. I've ran it for 2 days straight  from 0500-2000 hrs (total of 30 hrs) and it still showed 50% battery life left. I'll charge them up for 24 hrs and then put them in and turn the GPS on and leave it on until it tells me I only have 1 hr of use left and record the time. In my Motorola Talkabout 250s a set of alkalines will go "dead" in about 8 hrs of use (mostly receive only), but with the 2200mAH batteries the battery indicator only goes down 1 mark in 8 hrs of use.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2003, 04:19:02 PM »
Slug-Gunner/Nashcat:
 Thanks for the info.  I added the sites to my Favorites.
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2003, 05:40:37 AM »
Siskiyou,

    I'm seriously looking into purchase the Gramin Legend for hunting.  I never owned a GPS.  Is this until easy to use and learn?  I like that it has maps/mapping features.  I seen one for $199.  How's that for price?  Seen MapSource software from Garmin but it was for cities.  Expensive software @ $100.  Thanks for any advice.


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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2003, 02:50:43 PM »
Leo:

The Legend offers a lot of options and there is a learning process.  I have the Topo program from which I load selected maps as required.  Example I plan on visiting a wildlife area with a granddaughter in a couple of weeks.  I loaded the topo map that covers that area.

The nice thing about the Legend is the pc cord comes in the package, it is not an option as it is with the more expensive Vista.  

Because the Legend offers a number of options it requires a learning process.  Fast for some, a little slower for others.  A manual came with it, but I also downloaded the manual from Garmins internet site.  I started creating waypoints, and tracks when walking the dog.  I have used it while in Western forest in a number of States.  I found it to be a very useful tool.  Last month I found a site in the back country rather quickley.  There were numerous logging spurs, and trails along the route.  

I have used the Legend a lot while fishing to get back to sites.  It has help me improve my catch.  After using the Legend fishing I was enthused enough to buy a fishfinder with a gps unit.

You can pace your learning process.  It has almost been a year and I am still learning.

Check around for prices.(internet)  I recently found it for $169.+.  You can get Map Source Topo for around $90.  I would not pay $199. for one.  

Remember you can only load Garmin products on the Legend.  I used the Garmin topo maps and create paper maps using National Geographic  USGS Topgraphic software.  You can download information from Legend to the NG software.  Again using the mapping software is a learning process but not very difficult.

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2003, 03:08:40 AM »
Siskiyou,

   Thanks for the  info.  Do you know of any places on web/internet or point me in the right direction.  Thanks



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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2003, 07:32:27 AM »
Leo:

I sent (e-mail)you some information regarding the an internet site.

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