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Offline aglass1987

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True Cowboy?????
« on: September 16, 2008, 03:33:32 AM »
out of all the outlaws, lawmen, etc of the "wild old west" who do you consider a real cowboy and why?

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Re: True Cowboy?????
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 05:46:52 PM »
Not sure if this qualifies, but when I was a kid there was an older gentleman who lived 2 houses down from us, to us kids he was just old, deaf, broke-down,& somewhat cantankerous. Some years later I learned he started out breaking mustangs when he was 12, was driving a team a year later. He used to ride thru town, there was a dog who came after his horse more than once, one day he shook out a loop and dabbed it on the dog as it came out. He started on a trot, (real cowboys don't run their horse without a good reason) dragging the dog a couple of blocks, hoisted the dog up to his level and turned it loose. No more problems from that dog. He hauled freight to mining camps and hauled ore out with horses and a freight wagon. I was lucky enough to be offerred his wagon years later, we have it still. Also have some horseshoes he made from bar stock and an old romal he braided.

When he was 92, the family put him in the care center. I was visiting him, he grabbed me by the arm and said "Wasn't I always good to you? GET ME OUTA HERE!" Pretty tough to watch that go down.

The cowboys name was Albert Mattson and he lived in Ely, Nevada.

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 05:25:15 AM »
thats a pretty good story! :)

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Re: True Cowboy?????
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 09:27:59 AM »
Have a few more, my inlaws were old time ranchers. Wish i'd have wrote some of this stuff down. Have a friend descended from Butch Cassidy, now he's got some stories. Butch Cassidy was considered quite the likable outlaw here and Utah. A few real buckaroos still around, seems like it is becoming a dying trade. I was lucky enough to have some good coaches.

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 06:08:16 PM »
I'm not sure any of the outlaws or lawmen were what you would call real cowboys. real cowboys didn't have time for a lot of killing or chasing outlaws either.a real cowboy was busy taking care of cow critters, breaking horses and basically running a ranch.i think the real heroes of the old west were probably local ranchers and cowhands that served in defense of the law at a moments notice when they were asked or in defense of their family's and neighbors.these were men who put there life on the line for their country, their, family and their community.even tho they were not getting paid for it.

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 12:36:50 AM »
Real cowboys rarely owned anything.  Guns, horses, saddles, etc. usually belonged to the ranch.  It was a hard life that often ended early.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 08:47:29 AM »
I grew up in the 60's and 70's and did see the remanats of the old age, what I do know would be classified as modern ranch hands and cattlemen, Good cowboy's worthy of mention were good law abideing citizens and there wouldent be a mention of them in Legend because being infamous get's you mentioned in the papers, being scensable and hardworking garners no mention at all, I know allot of ranchers from back home that were straight shooters
fine upstanding people some dident have much of anything some lucky and had a enough ground to run cattle, you wont find any mention of them except for being born, graduateing school if they was lucky, getting hitched and auction notices of them liquidateing ther stuff and them dieing, There never any mention that they were some pretty good characters to call friends and Hellatious stockmen.

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Re: True Cowboy?????
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2009, 08:57:07 PM »
Charlie Siringo and "Texas" John Slaughter come to mind. Siringo worked cattle before going to work for the Pinkertons and Slaughter was a rancher between stints as a Texas Ranger and Cochise County (AZ) Sheriff.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 03:30:06 AM »
Tom Horn Check him out Outlaw or Heroe Jury still out

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Re: True Cowboy?????
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 08:11:34 PM »
Hard to name any of the outlaws and lawmen "real" cowboys. If they were real cowboys (at heart) they wouldn't have gone on to become outlaws and lawmen...would they?
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2009, 04:32:31 AM »
the real cowboys were just that boys 15, 16 years old ....................just like the pony express riders.............a horse will last longer if he is carring a 120 pond boy.........as opposed to a 150 pound man.

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Re: True Cowboy?????
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2010, 02:48:09 PM »
Tom Horn Check him out Outlaw or Heroe Jury still out

Tom Horn without a doubt was a "real" cowboy.

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Re: True Cowboy?????
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2010, 06:56:39 PM »
I guess this is about famous cowboys. But I enjoyed the story above alot.

Tom Horn was the first to come to mind. He was a real cowboy but thats not how he started out. He was born in Missouri to some farmers. His father was abusive and he left home at a fairly early age. He wound up getting a job as a teamster eventually and was hauling freight down to Arizona. He met Al Sieber who was a scout for the cavalry. Eventually he got to know the Apache very well and lived with them for some time. He hired out as scout and interpreter for the cavalry. Lots of conflicting stories about his life after that. I chose to believe his autobiography along with the original letters written by people that actually knew him. And other sources like eye witness accounts and books that mention him when telling another story. Anyway, I believe he was the interpreter at Geronimo's surrender. After Sieber got killed and things got really bad for the Apache he left and headed north and hired out for Pinkerton. Working for them in Colorado and there abouts. He left Pinkerton for reasons you would have to decipher from more conflicting stories. He did a short stint in the Army and fought  in the Spanish American War until he got malaria. He cowboyed around for a while and wound up in southern Wyoming. He started working for a rancher named John Coble near Bosler Wy.. Because of his background he got talked into working for the "cattlemans association" as a Stock Detective. Not sure if it was the official association or just a group of ranchers. You probably know the rest. He was accused of killing a sheepherder's 14yr old kid. Most everybody thought he was innocent. Much was done to prove it. I have read the letters and testimonies of those who spoke up for him. I believe he was innocent. It was most likely Jim Miller or one of his family that killed the kid and there was testamony to that effect. The rancher and sheepherder had been feuding. I believe Horn was framed by the Millers. Alot of political stuff was going on with the trial. The Prosecuter was running for office,sheriff Joe Lefors had political ambitions. Lefors presented a bogus confession that would not stand up in a court today, and some other stuff. While he was in jail for about a year, cowboys from all over Wy. would go to visit Horn and bring him horse hair and rawhide for braiding, to pass the time. It is said that he was a very good roper and a good hand with cattle. Buy all accounts he was well liked by all the ranchers and cowboys, except the Millers. I have read books by other guys who tell of their life in Wy. and they mention Horn in a favorable way and say they went to visit him in jail. The Sieber family seem to not like Horn for stealing some of the fame away from Al during the Apache Wars, and so they do not speak of Horn to highly. I read Sieber's book too. Tom Horn was the real deal. He had a rough life from start to finish and he lived some great history. I think he deserved a better end, and I'm not alone!

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