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Gonna Wear My Hunting Vest When I Vote
« on: September 18, 2008, 03:40:57 PM »
Could blaze orange turn key states red or blue?
Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
The Associated Press
By BRIAN BAKST Associated Press Writer


ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Forget spring, summer, fall and winter. In Minnesota, the seasons go by fishing, boating, hunting and snowmobiling.

Outdoors passions run so strong that last year lawmakers considered moving the fishing opener to spare anglers the dilemma of having to choose between hitting the lake and marking Mother's Day. It explains why presidential hopefuls John McCain and Barack Obama are targeting hook-and-bullet voters — a bloc expected to turn out in especially high numbers because of a state ballot question on natural resource financing.

Beyond Minnesota, the campaigns are mobilizing blaze-orange brigades in battleground states including Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin. They're making their cases at game fairs, shooting ranges and hunting camps.

With a fresh poll showing a deadlocked race in Minnesota, McCain was bringing his Republican campaign back to the state Friday along with his new weapon: moose-hunting running mate Sarah Palin. McCain's selection of the Alaska governor has fired up some outdoors enthusiasts.

"She's probably the most pro-hunting and pro-gun candidate that we've ever had," said dentist Don McMillan, a member of Minnesota's Sportsmen for McCain. "She hunts. She fishes. She snowmobiles. She's an outdoors person. Outdoors people can relate to someone like that."

Both candidates touched on their recreational backgrounds in interviews with Field & Stream magazine published Wednesday. Obama said he spearfished as a child in Hawaii but hasn't gone hunting or fishing in Illinois. McCain said he fishes on his property in northern Arizona but doesn't own a gun.

In Minnesota, McCain and Palin were due to hold an airport rally in Anoka County and share the stage with Ron Schara, host of the popular weekly outdoors show, "Minnesota Bound."

Behind the scenes, the McCain campaign has built a presence at weekend gun shows, organized within snowmobile clubs and tailored phone banks to put pro-McCain sportsmen in touch with those who are undecided.

McCain is hoping to make inroads in northeastern Minnesota's St. Louis County, a place of towering pines and ample lakes where President Bush lost to Democrat John Kerry by 37,000 votes in 2004.

Earlier this week, Obama's campaign used the same region for its rollout of a sportsmen network, with a pledge to protect hunters' gun rights, expand and restore habitat for hunting and fishing, and enhance programs that teach youth about outdoors activities.

His campaign is working to repel a National Rifle Association push to portray Obama as an enemy of the Second Amendment and to get past the candidate's inartful statement during the primaries about the tendency of small-town Americans to "cling to guns or religion."

Radio ads that Obama is running in several key states feature former NFL player Ray Schoenke, who played for the Washington Redskins, telling listeners that "Barack Obama and John McCain will both make sure we can keep our guns."

In northern Minnesota, computer technician Michael Jarve said he'll go door-to-door if needed to get that message out, too.

"Tell me where Senator Obama says `I want stricter controls on who can hunt and when' or 'I want to ban shotguns and rifles,'" said Jarve, a member of Obama's Minnesota sportsmen chapter. "Where has he said that? He hasn't."

Jarve, 27, has been a hunter since accompanying his father on a partridge hunt when he was 3. He concedes that the gun vote has traditionally been a Republican stronghold, but thinks the economy and Iraq war will ultimately drive voters' decisions this year.

Nationally, McCain held a 36 percentage point lead over Obama among gun owners in an AP-Yahoo News poll conducted Sept. 5-15. Among those who don't own guns, Obama was up 45 percent to 41 percent, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Four in 10 gun owners polled said the Palin pick made them more likely to support the McCain ticket, a much higher rate than among those who don't have firearms.

One wildcard in Minnesota is a constitutional amendment that should draw more outdoors-minded voters to the polls. It would establish a huge pot of money dedicated for habitat restoration, water cleanup and heritage programs. It has a catch that's causing discomfort among top Republicans — the money would be generated by increasing the state sales tax.

Dan Hofrenning, a political scholar at St. Olaf College in Northfield, said there's no doubt that outdoors matters are serious business in the state. The big question, he said, is whether they'll trump other voter concerns.

"Minnesota is a state with 10,000 lakes and lots of forests and plenty of people who hunt and fish. Does it beat bread and butter issues like peace and prosperity? Probably not," he said. "But in a close election, you're looking for anything."
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Re: Gonna Wear My Hunting Vest When I Vote
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 03:59:04 PM »
I think that Obama's comment during the primaries in PA about religion and firearms was way overboard and really sent a message about his commitment to middle America.  I know several people who were Obama fans before the conventions and now are McCain/Palin supporters due Obama's lack of credibility.  Also, Palin's popularity with middle America is much more appealing than Obama's cosmopolitan belief in urban right to govern.  It is the concept of middle America being compared with Elmer Fudd in a cartoon, when the exact opposite is actually true.  Palin brought this to middle America's attention with her home town credibility and accomplishments.  I'll be wearing camoflage, when I go vote absentee in October. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2008, 12:36:04 PM »
I'ld rather hang with the suburban/country Elmer Fudd  and Bubba types  than the snooty city slickers and  "gangsta" types any day.   
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2008, 01:28:54 PM »
I think that Obama's comment during the primaries in PA about religion and firearms was way overboard and really sent a message about his commitment to middle America.   

Really?  Think about it...  If you are bitter...  If the sh*t hits the fan....  When times get really desparate....  What do you cling to?  What do you have belief/faith in?  I think guns, religion, AND family would cover many people in this forum...oh ya, and MONEY for some.

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Re: Gonna Wear My Hunting Vest When I Vote
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2008, 01:33:08 PM »
Obama meant it as a slur.  He's a bigot.  He's a muslim racist bigot, like his muslim racist bigot pastor.
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Re: Gonna Wear My Hunting Vest When I Vote
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2008, 02:46:00 PM »
Obama meant it as a slur.  He's a bigot.  He's a muslim racist bigot, like his muslim racist bigot pastor.

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Re: Gonna Wear My Hunting Vest When I Vote
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2008, 03:02:12 PM »
I think that Obama's comment during the primaries in PA about religion and firearms was way overboard and really sent a message about his commitment to middle America.   

Really?  Think about it...  If you are bitter...  If the sh*t hits the fan....  When times get really desparate....  What do you cling to?  What do you have belief/faith in?  I think guns, religion, AND family would cover many people in this forum...oh ya, and MONEY for some.

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First of all, I'm non partisan by voter registration.  I don't believe in organized religion, though I do believe in God.  I think the Constitution's intent and clear language is able to be understood and read by an eigth grader, as decided by the US Supreme Court in Yoder vs Wisconsin.  I think the Bill of Rights as enumerated in the Constitution are fundamental rights, not dependant on the base document for its authority or power.  I believe the 2 nd Amendment to be the only listed right that enforces government to comply with and acknowledge the rest of the other natural rights listed.  So, any candidate that slanders, insinuates, slurs, or denigrates those concepts, is way out of touch with my right to exist by doubting my capability to determine and/or vote for President.  So, for my part, it is absolutely certain that I will not vote for those candidates that cannot, will not, or refuse to remember that they serve at the will of those same people, they have just belittled.  Is this the type of man, who I could vote for, just because he campaigns with words telling me how much I need change and how much he will help me?  With what?  Not the same beliefs, not the same philosophy, not the same respect, not the same independent attitude, nothing in common?  The only change with this candidate that I see, is his total disrespect for middle America, due his cosmopolitan attitude, education, and life style.  Oh, I forgot, I'm a bigot too.  I don't like a man who goes to church for over 20 years and tells me "he never heard the pastor relate his anti American bigotry to me or my wife", then deserts the man due political pressure.  When will he desert his constituency;when desperate measures are needed for him to stay in office, if elected.  Not for me.  I'm still gonna wear my hunting vest at the polls.
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