animal control rounds

[hillbilly]

I'm a farmer in east central Alberta and i've got a problem. :x  The neighbours bull has been in my pastuer and breeding my cows. The bull as quite aggressive and won't leave my herd, he has no respect for my fences or my truck :evil:   so i tried using some "animal contol 12g rounds " i threw together. I cut off the crimp on a       2-3\4in #7 skeet loads poured out the shot and poured in hot wax. When it had cooled it worked pretty well, but i didn't get compelete powder burn I realize this is because there was no crimp and the "projectile" was so light. i have access to a MEC reloading press but am wondering about a substitute for wax, something a little denser and heavier. When i used the wax rounds he'd hump up and lunge a few feet if i connected in the right spot :shock: but beyond 25ft it had no real effect. I don't want any penetration , but i do want something that will presuade a 2800 lb bull that he doesn't want to hang a round those pretty little herefords

[Slug-Gunner]

I don't know about bulls, but "Rock Salt" sure worked on disuading us country kids from raiding our neighbors watermelon patch when we were growing up at my aunt's farm in Nebraska. Catch a load in your rear just once and you sure think twice about going back for more.

But then again, that bull ain't thinking with his brain, but another part of his anatomy. Put a load of "rock salt" in his testicles and he might just get the "message".

 :-D  :eek:  :roll:    

[rickyp]

you will never get really good distance with wax "bullets" they are too light and have to big of service area that wont cut the wind very well.
did you talk to the  owner and give him a chance to keep his bull in the pasture? is Evey thing fails to keep him out i say don't play around with
"animal control rounds" just kill it out right and have a nice cook out and invite your neighbor.

[Robert]

You cant just reduce the bullet weight or reduce the load with the same powder, a lighter load will need a faster burning powder.  I disagree that wax wont go very far, it certainly will.  Try 3-4 grs of Red Dot under that wax plug and I bet you will get better results.  A standard shot-shell is designed to move more than 1 ounce of lead, so the powder is too slow to work with the lighter load.

[dakotashooter2]

Aim lower and further back.

[hillbilly]

thanks for the tips but before i had a chance to put any of them to practice the owner of the bull called and witha united front the bull finally co-operated and we were able to load him and the fella took him to places unknown :wink:  I believe prehaps the "knacker man" as with the border between Canada and the U.S. being closed to live cattle he wasn't worth selling. If i had known this was to be the final out come i could have save time and effort himself and maybe  got a few song-dogs off the carcass. but in any case i'm going to work up a new load using hot glue( the heavy duty kind) it's heavier than wax and won't deform as quickly. I may drop a few lead pellets in as i fill the wad as to increase the weight. I found out later that the other guy had tried several times to get the bull out and resorted to his 410 with light loads, but with the same results i had. But next time watch out you bovine romeo's this fella doesn't take kindly to unwelcome advances toward my heifers. :twisted: as the song goes" i'm the kind of man won't harm a mouse but if i catch somebody breakin' in my house i got a 12 gauge shotgun waitin' on the other side"

[Iowegan]

Next time you want to "shoot the bull", try this: Scotch tape around the shot cup of your favorite 12 ga plastic wad. Fill the shot cup with RTV or bath tub sealer. Its the stuff that dries like live rubber. After its dry, remove the tape and load it over 10 grains of Unique. Now you have a rubber bullet that will smart to beat hell but won't penitrate. Range is good out to 30 yards or more. You can even pick them up and reuse them.

[myronman3]

rock salt!!!!   we used them on my neighbors dogs when i was younger and men let me tell you once you get them good with that they dont soon forget.   getting shot is just the start of the pain.  then the salt starts to sting.   long story short,  my grandpa witnessed me dealing out some salt and laughed about it to his dieing day.    rock salt is the answer to your question.

[boneguru]

I tried the yellow rubber balls from the toy guns under a lower charge of powder (yes as noted faster burn is better) I'll see if I can find the load.
but they pack in pretty well and sting like a hornet, have used them in .410 on feral cats, without permanent harm, R

[manofthe45]

12 ga rubber buckshot rounds.  $3.50 for a pack of 5

[pastorp]

Why don't you want to harm feral cats?  If we can believe the statics there are millions of them running around wild eating all our songbirds as well as gamebirds. I say thin them out every chance you get.

And before the cry arises, I like cats and have a big orange tiger cat but I don't let him run around causing problems for other folks. JMO

Regards,

[boneguru]

let me rephrase, stray cats.
Ferals I do take seriously, we live in an older neighborhood, Read as (people), and if I were to harm someones beloved pet I would not be happy with myself.
Ferals are a .22 with no gun powder or a .22 air pistol, both quite effective!
I also left out that these loads are over either low brass or the 12G mini shells, the shotcup and wadding can kill at close range be extremely sure of your load and range!

[SHOOTALL]

Around here a standard load of #8's work well , With a 2800 lb bull you may need to go to High brass peigon loads . they have very thick skin . A couple cattle dogs may work better though .

[myronman3]

Around here a standard load of #8's work well , With a 2800 lb bull you may need to go to High brass peigon loads . they have very thick skin . A couple cattle dogs may work better though .

  a cattle dog you will have to find, train, feed and shelter.  i would just go to the pound and pick up a dog that likes to chase stuff.   keep it in the kennel until the bovines show up, then let the dog on them.  and, no liability because you dont own the dog!  ha!

[pastorp]

Please explaine the difference between a stray and a feral cat?

If there allowed to run lose at will they are the same. Take them out and remove the problem is my opinion. I get sick and tired of pet owners that will not be responsible to take care of their animals, including keeping them from becoming a bother to others. JMO

Regards,

[SHOOTALL]

one with a collar and one with out !