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Offline rebAL

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Orphan fawn survival
« on: September 20, 2008, 02:10:40 PM »
What do you think chances are for Adirondack fawn to survive winter?  I keep seeing the 2 of them and I have muzzleloader tags to fill.

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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2008, 02:55:00 PM »
What do you think chances are for Adirondack fawn to survive winter?  I keep seeing the 2 of them and I have muzzleloader tags to fill.
I would rather have a fawn than a big buck. fawns are good eatin' ;D
Big bucks usually aren't
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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 01:59:28 AM »
rebAL:  According to EnCon (I believe), the Whitetail fawn survival rate is about 25% for doe fawn and 15% for buck fawn, and that is after coytes take their 50% or better. 

Survival for fawns is better, as I understand, without the mature doe becuase during difficult times the mature does will push/kick the fawns away from the food sources so they can have it for themselves - it is called 'Survival of the Fittest' and wild animals do not exhibit the 'disney-like' human behavioral traits hollywood has so often ascribed to.

I fill my doe tag every year with the biggest, most mature doe I can find - that way I know the fawn loss will be minimalized and I should expect to see larger numbers of Whitetail in the spring - it's worked pretty good that way so far. 

I would not take a fawn unless it was injured - I want something larger for my tag. 

The last time I took a fawn I had to put it down - a mature doe had kicked it away from one of my bird feeders and when it came back she kicked it harder and broke its back.  I watched to make sure it was crippled and not just hurt and then killed the doe and put down the fawn;  even the rest of the herd moved away from the doe when she kicked the fawn. 

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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008, 06:24:39 AM »
I would rather have a fawn than a big buck. fawns are good eatin' ;D

+1  I try to kill 3 or 4 does and one fawn each year for my winter meat.  May be why I don't have any 150 + class mounts on the wall...  :-\
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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 01:29:33 PM »
Er maybe they jist beez smarter than yew.  :o

I don't got none neither but then I don't think I've ever hunted in an area that held any that big and if I did then yew guessed it they wuz smarter than me.


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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 04:25:26 PM »
maybe they jist beez smarter than yew.

Ain't much doubt about that!   ;D

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I don't think I've ever hunted in an area that held any that big

I haven't in the last 15 years or so.  They real small in So. Jawja.   :(  60 - 65 pounds field dressed is about average for a doe.  I killed the biggest buck we've taken, scored at 113 and weighed 125 dressed.

Where are all the big deer Bill Jorden kills in Alabama?
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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2008, 03:05:14 AM »
I think the bucks where I hunt would be less wary if I'd quit shooting them in the arse with a wrist rocket and paintballs when they are young ;D
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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2008, 04:11:08 AM »
How or why do you feel they are orphans?  Just because you have seen them alone, doesn't mean they are orphans.

Don't worry about trying to justify shooting them because they might not survive the winter.

If they are legal to harvest and you want to take them that's all you need.

Winter kills are all part of the cycle of life.

Some mature bucks don't survive winters, because they are tired and run down after the rut, when winter hits in northern areas.

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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2008, 08:38:12 AM »
How or why do you feel they are orphans?  Just because you have seen them alone, doesn't mean they are orphans.



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  I'm afraid I am being misunderstood.  The 2 deer that I have been seeing are doe & fawn.  It would be easy to shoot the doe, but I am wondering about the fawn"s survival.  They keep hanging around my camp & the neighbors are non- hunters & enjoy seeing the deer as do I.

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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 09:43:45 AM »
OK got it.  I wouldn't give it a second thought.  I once shot a doe and one of her twin yearling does.  The lone yearling has a good chance on survival on what she has learned from mom.  During the winter, deer yard up into groups so the younger ones have many other does to learn from if it come down to it.

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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2008, 01:35:31 PM »
Beats the heck outta me but you can bet me and Bill Jordan don't hunt in the same areas. Iffen I had his money I'd shoot big bucks all the time too but since I don't have big buck$ to spend on big bucks.

maybe they jist beez smarter than yew.

Ain't much doubt about that!   ;D

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I don't think I've ever hunted in an area that held any that big

I haven't in the last 15 years or so.  They real small in So. Jawja.   :(  60 - 65 pounds field dressed is about average for a doe.  I killed the biggest buck we've taken, scored at 113 and weighed 125 dressed.

Where are all the big deer Bill Jorden kills in Alabama?


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Re: Orphan fawn survival
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2008, 04:52:55 PM »
I don't have big buck$ to spend on big bucks.

Yah but I'll bet with all his money and spendin his time deer huntin in Canada, Texas, Nebraska and I don't know where all... he ain't as happy as we is... ya think?  :-\
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