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.17HMR for deer
« on: September 22, 2008, 05:49:38 AM »
While I would never use anything smaller than a .243 for deer myself, I overheard Bubba in the Panama City Walmart last night talking about killing deer out to 250 yards with his Savage 17HMR.  This is illegal in FL by the way.  I asked him to be sure I'd heard him correctly.  He said he'd killed several with his .17HMR and they dropped instantly.
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2008, 06:09:07 AM »
I'm sure it Will kill a deer, but I sure wouldn't use one.
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2008, 06:25:56 AM »
That's scary, sad and funny.  Hopefully he gets caught.

His calculated 250 yards is probably a true 75 yards.

Are Florida deer over 30 lbs?  (just kidding)

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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2008, 06:55:08 AM »
Here's the calculated exterior ballistics of the 17hmr 17gr TNT.

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Trajectory for Federal Rimfire .17 HMR, 17 gr. TNT at 2550 Feet per Second
At an Elevation Angle of: 0 degrees
Ballistic Coefficients of: 0.12   0.12   0.12   0.12   0.12
Velocity Boundaries (Feet per Second) of: 2040   2040   2040   2040
Wind Direction is: 0.0 o'clock and a Wind Velocity of: 0.0 Miles per hour
Wind Components are (Miles per Hour): DownRange: 0.0   Cross Range: 0.0   Vertical: 0.0
Altitude: 500 Feet with a Standard Atmospheric Model.
Temperature: 59 F
Data Printed in English Units
Range   Velocity   Energy   Momentum   Drop   Bullet Path   Wind Drift   Time of Flight
(Yards)   (Ft/Sec)   (Ft/Lbs)   (Lb-Sec)   (inches)   (inches)   (inches)   (Seconds)
0   2550.0   245.4   0.19   0.0   -1.5   0.0   0.000000000
25   2373.8   212.7   0.18   -0.18   0.6   0.0   0.030483953
50   2204.7   183.4   0.17   -0.74   2.31   0.0   0.063268561
75   2042.4   157.4   0.15   -1.75   3.58   0.0   0.098613710
100   1887.4   134.4   0.14   -3.28   4.32   0.0   0.136815875
125   1740.1   114.3   0.13   -5.42   4.46   0.0   0.178205558
150   1601.7   96.8   0.12   -8.28   3.87   0.0   0.223137955
175   1473.4   81.9   0.11   -11.99   2.44   0.0   0.271972650
200   1356.8   69.5   0.10   -16.7   0.0   0.0   0.325041869
225   1253.5   59.3   0.09   -22.6   -3.62   0.0   0.382591240
250   1165.8   51.3   0.09   -29.87   -8.62   0.0   0.444692423
275   1094.7   45.2   0.08   -38.75   -15.22   0.0   0.511155904
300   1038.7   40.7   0.08   -49.43   -23.63   0.0   0.581561731
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2008, 07:06:30 AM »
Quote from: yooper77 on September 22, 2008, 06:25:56 AM
That's scary, sad and funny.  Hopefully he gets caught.

His calculated 250 yards is probably a true 75 yards.

Are Florida deer over 30 lbs?  (just kidding)

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A "big" buck might go 125lbs to 150lbs.  In this part of FL there isn't a lot in the way of food.  My son killed a pretty nice nine point last year.  I believe it was around 150lbs.  Many of our deer are actually an Alabama sub-species so they are a tad larger than real FL deer.
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2008, 07:11:55 AM »
Wow, that's really good for Florida.

I have hear the Keys deer are super small, do to the weather and terrain.

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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2008, 07:51:01 AM »
quickdtoo

I am looking for a good software to calculate this type of thing.  Is this where you got yout info or somewhere else.  I am neew to reloading and ballsitics.  Thanks
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2008, 07:54:01 AM »
I use RCBS load, I bought it years ago got it cheap.

http://www.gmdr.com/rcbs/rcbs.htm

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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2008, 07:57:52 AM »
That was done with Sierra Infinity 5.1, I was surprised they had 17hmr and 17M2 included in the data base! But there are free calculators online.  ;)

Tim

http://www.hornady.com/ballistics/ballistics_calculator.php

http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/calculations.html

http://www.handloads.com/calc/

http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx

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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 10:04:39 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on September 22, 2008, 05:49:38 AM
While I would never use anything smaller than a .243 for deer myself, I overheard Bubba in the Panama City Walmart last night talking about killing deer out to 250 yards with his Savage 17HMR.  This is illegal in FL by the way.  I asked him to be sure I'd heard him correctly.  He said he'd killed several with his .17HMR and they dropped instantly.

Hummer is big medicine on small deer...YEAH.

Well, it's long been said that the poachers favorite rounds are the .22LR and the .22 Mag.....I'm sure that the .17HMR is right up there too.  With it's velocity and accuracy, I guess if you wanted to take head shots, it would probably still penetrate at 250yds, especially the 20gr loads.  They aren't too worried about wounding them either.  Sooo....??

I have to agree with yooper, his 250yds is 75yds, or maybe 250 ft. Bubba gets a big DUH.  I bet he saw that video where someone killed a hog with a Gamo Air rifle and thought, golly gee, I can go deer huntin' with my hummer now....
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2008, 11:03:31 AM »
He did mention it was no good for squirrels & rabbits because there wasn't much left to eat.
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2008, 11:22:23 AM »
I can vouch for that, if it's not a head shot, you ain't going to eat it.  Well, if you like them in strips, you could probably still eat them.   ;)
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2008, 12:25:46 PM »
bubba needs to go to jail for a while >:(
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2008, 02:36:58 PM »
If there is one thing that I cannot stand, it is people using ridiculously underpowered rifle cartridges on game. I mean, you certainly don't need a 460 Weatherby for deer, but a sensible minumum like a .243 or some such can be handled comfortably by just about anyone. OUr game deserves it. I know that most sportsman can see the folly, but I am afraid that some youngster or someone new to the sport might read this and try it.  Ok I'm off the soap box.

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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2008, 02:51:15 PM »
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I asked him to be sure I'd heard him correctly.

Did he pay with cash or credit card? 

Did you follow him out of the store and get a license number off of the car he was in? 

Do you know him personally?

Did you snap his picture with your cell phone?

Does the store employee know him?

If you saw him again could you point him out?

Stupid Poacher Bubba. 

It is, as you said, illegal to hunt deer in FL with rim fire cartridges and hearing you talk about it incites others to try.  Pity.
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2008, 03:01:27 PM »
Did he pay with cash or credit card?

don't know

Did you follow him out of the store and get a license number off of the car he was in?

no

Do you know him personally?

no

Did you snap his picture with your cell phone?

no

Does the store employee know him?

don't know

If you saw him again could you point him out?

I doubt it

It takes proof to convict.  I'm guessing the proof has already been eaten.  His Bubba friend was buying a Savage in .17HMR while he offered advise on which pos scope to put on it.  It didn't actually occur to me that it was illegal until sometime after I left the store.  FL doesn't have a min. caliber for deer but it does prohibit the use of rimfires.  At the time I witnessed this I was just thinking how stupid it was.
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2008, 04:12:57 PM »
s'OK Swampman.  They are out here among us and I bristle whenever there is a missed opportunity.  Slob hunters make us look bad and I AM NOT THE ENEMY...but so many believe that we are.  One Oh Sh-t undoes ten At-A-Boy's.  Just grousing out loud Swampman.
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2008, 01:03:03 PM »
and i could say i shot a moose for supper standing in the walmart. doesn't make it true. sounds like bs to me
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2008, 01:30:25 PM »
I'd bet money he was telling the truth.  He wasn't really bragging.  It was just an off the cuff remark.
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2008, 06:56:52 AM »
Wasn't there a law enforcement officer busted a while back for poaching with a HMR? 

I think if I was the guy behind the counter, I would have refused to sell this guys buddy anything when hearing this story.  Not sure about Florida, but here in Ohio they can refuse to sell for any reason. 

When something like this gets out to the liberal media, it just makes all us hunters look bad.  What a shame.
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2008, 07:07:54 AM »
by chance did he mention how many he shot that run off to become buzzard magnets ?
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Re: .17HMR for deer
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2008, 07:38:49 AM »
He didn't mention that.
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