Author Topic: Got a question about 410 tamer (Read 3495 times)

gatersb · « **on:** September 22, 2008, 02:25:45 PM »

I have a 410 tamer I bought back in Feb. And it has a full choke and was wondering if having its choke opened up some would help. I just plan on plinking and occasional close trap shooting. Just enjoy a single shot and always wanted a 410. The reason i want to open the choke is that for pest removal (ie snakes) it doesn't really need a full choke. Also wondering why no one has ever came out with a full rifled 410 barrel.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #1 on:** September 22, 2008, 04:42:02 PM »

H&R has a 45/410 thats fully rifled. Kurt

gatersb · « **Reply #2 on:** September 25, 2008, 11:25:56 AM »

I know but I'm thinking maybe a mini ultra slug hunter in 410 shooting a heavyweight cast slug.

Spanky · « **Reply #3 on:** September 28, 2008, 11:57:51 AM »

.410 slugs are worthless.
I wouldn't even waste my time hunting SMALL game with a .410 slug.

Spanky

gatersb · « **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2008, 04:00:27 PM »

Ok then just thinking out loud my bad. Thinking a custom 200 grain slug at about 1500 fps but I guess I'm wrong oh well.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #5 on:** September 28, 2008, 04:29:01 PM »

You can put togeather some fairly decent hand load round balls for the 410 but most of the factory loaded slugs are very limited. BPI has data and supplies also the 28ga is quite a fun one to mess with on slugs and balls. Kurt

shaner · « **Reply #6 on:** September 29, 2008, 12:41:16 AM »

410 slugs worthless? wow i ll have to tell about 10 dead whitetails around here that died having a 410 slug enter their bodies in the last few years , i have 3 friends and a son thats have killed 10 deer with the 410 winchester 3in slug???

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 29, 2008, 01:11:07 AM »

X2 on the .410 slugs.

A local gunshop owner that I know, who owns every caliber known to man hunts whitetails exclusively with a .410 shotgun.
He kills deer every year with a .410 slug. All those deer didn't get the memo that .410 slugs were worthless.

Spanky · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2008, 07:31:05 AM »

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/shotshell_slug_loads.asp

I'm talking specifically about factory ammo. like this.
Look at the ballistics of the .410 slug

Not exactly deer medicine if you ask me.

Not even LEGAL in most states.

Look at the kinetic energy figures for this ammo.
A darn good slingshot with a ball bearing will match those numbers!!
650 ft.lbs. at the muzzle??
1/2 of that at 50 yds.??
NOTHING at 100 yds.??

WORTHLESS!!

Spanky

scout4 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2008, 01:41:42 PM »

Hey gater! I think the 410 is a great little cartrige. I had a 410 slug shooter built for me out of the wooden stock pardner and that little sweety shot beautiful! Specially with the Brenekke silver slug, and all of the shooting test I did with it proved positive! It is a limited range weapon, that is so. But within its range, at least with my little gun, I never really felt handicapped. And sure was a lot of fun to shoot! And except for the Brenekke slugs the ammo was reasonable. My 2 pennys worth for on the UP side of the 410! scout4<><

gatersb · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2008, 02:49:26 PM »

Thanks for the information I really like my 410 its really comforting here in TN especially when in the woods before deer season and snakes are still out. I'm gonna try the slugs but unsure if the full choke is a problem. Just wondering what modifications are required to shoot slugs accurately and safely.

Bradley

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 02, 2008, 01:05:13 AM »

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I'm talking specifically about factory ammo. like this.
Look at the ballistics of the .410 slug

Not exactly deer medicine if you ask me.

Not even LEGAL in most states.

Look at the kinetic energy figures for this ammo.
A darn good slingshot with a ball bearing will match those numbers!!
650 ft.lbs. at the muzzle??
1/2 of that at 50 yds.??
NOTHING at 100 yds.??

WORTHLESS!!

Well let's see then. Handgun hunters routinely kill tens of thousands of deer each year with .357's that have those exact same kinetic energy figures.

Bow hunters routinely kill hundreds of thousands of deer each year with arrows that contain 50 ft.lbs. of kinetic energy or less.

Sounds pretty worthless to me!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 02, 2008, 01:16:31 AM »

How bout some 300 grain "410" slugs at 1400 fps? These are fired out of my Handi 45colt/410 barrel.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #13 on:** October 02, 2008, 10:31:54 AM »

And if you hand load your own you can get it up to the .41 mag ballistics or even `do as billy has with the metallic cartridge. BPI has a round ball set up with a .375 ball that the only tool you really need to make them is the roll crimper and you can buy pre primed ready to load hulls pretty cheap. I know I had a hard time getting the factory slugs to shoot 2 in the same spot at 25yrds but most of those slugs were .396-.402 and the .375 balls with the ball carrier came out of the 410 bore with much better accuracy out to 50 yrds. I think that is where the factory slugs get the bad rap for accuracy trying to sgueeze out the muzzle. Kurt

scout4 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 02, 2008, 11:30:17 AM »

The barrel on my 410 was 26" full ch. so had the 1st 2" cut off to get rid of the choke. The smithy crowned the barrel an then installed a weaver base an mounted 4X32 scope. I shot winchester 2.5" x 1/5 oz. the remington 2.5" 1/5 oz. winchester 3"x 1/4oz. and brenneke 3"x 1/4oz. Out of my gun the Brenneke shot best, with the remingtons at a close 2nd. the 3" 1/4oz winchesters where all over the place. Although at the time I sure felt confident enough within its very limited range, today I would not care to go deer hunting with anything less than a 20gauge. But the 410 is a cool little gun to shoot! scout4<><

Spanky · « **Reply #15 on:** October 02, 2008, 12:29:43 PM »

Quote from: Doublebass73 on October 02, 2008, 01:05:13 AM

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I'm talking specifically about factory ammo. like this.
Look at the ballistics of the .410 slug

Not exactly deer medicine if you ask me.

Not even LEGAL in most states.

Look at the kinetic energy figures for this ammo.
A darn good slingshot with a ball bearing will match those numbers!!
650 ft.lbs. at the muzzle??
1/2 of that at 50 yds.??
NOTHING at 100 yds.??

WORTHLESS!!

Well let's see then. Handgun hunters routinely kill tens of thousands of deer each year with .357's that have those exact same kinetic energy figures.

Bow hunters routinely kill hundreds of thousands of deer each year with arrows that contain 50 ft.lbs. of kinetic energy or less.

Sounds pretty worthless to me!

Chuckle, chuckle... Laugh out loud.

I knew this was coming.
Doesn't change my mind one little bit.

Spanky

sachel.45 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 02, 2008, 05:18:00 PM »

ive fired slugs out of my mossberg 500 .410 which has a full choke and i had 2 touching at 30 yards and the third about an inch away

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2008, 01:54:32 AM »

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Chuckle, chuckle... Laugh out loud.

I knew this was coming.
Doesn't change my mind one little bit.

Spanky

I didn't think I'd change your mind but I just wanted to point out that while .410 slugs may be worthless to you
they are very useful to others. Their range is certainly very limited but they can and do kill plenty of deer.
Some people enjoy the challenge of hunting in close. In the case of my 10 year old daughter her .410 single shot
is light enough for her to carry all day and the recoil is light enough for her to handle it. She wouldn't be able to deer
hunt otherwise. She practices at 25 yards so that will be her maximum shot range. The worthless .410 is bringing another
kid into the sport of hunting.

Spanky · « **Reply #18 on:** October 03, 2008, 11:03:59 AM »

Quote from: Doublebass73 on October 03, 2008, 01:54:32 AM

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Chuckle, chuckle... Laugh out loud.

I knew this was coming.
Doesn't change my mind one little bit.

Spanky

I didn't think I'd change your mind but I just wanted to point out that while .410 slugs may be worthless to you
they are very useful to others. Their range is certainly very limited but they can and do kill plenty of deer.
Some people enjoy the challenge of hunting in close. In the case of my 10 year old daughter her .410 single shot
is light enough for her to carry all day and the recoil is light enough for her to handle it. She wouldn't be able to deer
hunt otherwise. She practices at 25 yards so that will be her maximum shot range. The worthless .410 is bringing another
kid into the sport of hunting.

What about a 20 gauge with a good recoil pad??
Alot more gun and still does not kick bad.

I don't think there is anything wrong with a .410
I have a .410 and I like it.
I think it is a good tool for a kid to learn with.
I DO NOT think a .410 with factory slugs is a deer gun by any means.

Let me stress that.
A .410 is fine...
A .410 shooting slugs at deer is not...

My opinion and not everyone will agree with it.

Spanky

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 03, 2008, 02:00:03 PM »

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What about a 20 gauge with a good recoil pad??
Alot more gun and still does not kick bad.

She's a very small girl, only about 70 lbs. A 20 gauge doesn't feel like much to us but it's way too much for her. She could probably handle shooting a heavy 20 gauge semi-auto but then she wouldn't be able to carry it. She says that even the .410 hurts after a while shooting but it weighs less than 5 lbs. so she is actually able to carry it for a while.

Life is full of trade offs. I'd prefer she used something bigger but that is all she can carry and all the recoil she can handle. So it's either use her .410 or don't go hunting with Dad. The .410 is legal in my state. I've seen many examples of deer harvested cleanly with .410 slugs. You just have to know it's limitations and stay within them just like any other gun.
If you use it within bowhunting range then you won't have a problem.
Not everyone will agree with using a .410 on deer but it can be done responsibly.

scout4 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 04, 2008, 11:05:40 AM »

From the shooting test I did with my 410, This small bore gun would do good in the hands of a experienced shooter, and using the right ammunition for the job. Really put a limit on your range, and if you're shooting slugs, forget the others and get 3" Brenneke slugs they are the very best, and have been ahead of the rifled slug game for years. If you're goin after deer with this, then good luck. You will need it. scout4<><

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2008, 02:47:03 PM »

I've had the same experience with the 3" Brenneke's in my daughter's .410, they shoot the best. I can get 1 1/2" 3 shot groups at 30 yards which is the max range I'd ever shoot at a deer with a .410 slug anyway.

gatersb · « **Reply #22 on:** October 04, 2008, 03:48:55 PM »

Wow appreciate the help didn't realize I was opening a can of worms. Everyone has a favorite caliber that is what keeps us broke and the gun makers rich

Good luck to everyone and I will try some of these ideas and see what I can see. Love the forum by the way I've learned more from you guys in a few weeks than I have in 28 yrs.

Thanks

Bradley

hillbill · « **Reply #23 on:** October 04, 2008, 04:14:35 PM »

use whatchu got, use it wisely and within its limitations, know its limitations and stay within them.if all i had was a 410 id still hunt with it but i dont think id take a shot over 20 yrds on a deer but ive shot many deer at that range.sit down and shut up and a deer will walk rite by.

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Lon371 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 06, 2008, 03:35:06 AM »

MOSSBERG 500 410 SLUG, 15 YARDS, 1 SHOT!

OH YEAH FORGOT "FACTORY AMMO"

Lonny

scout4 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 06, 2008, 11:27:21 AM »

That picture says it all Man! Real nice Lon371! Is that your daughter? That picture is beautiful!....And with the 410! Great! scout4<><

Spanky · « **Reply #26 on:** October 06, 2008, 12:22:57 PM »

Quote from: Lon371 on October 06, 2008, 03:35:06 AM

MOSSBERG 500 410 SLUG, 15 YARDS, 1 SHOT!

OH YEAH FORGOT "FACTORY AMMO"

Lonny

Yeah, I knew that was coming too.
Well I know a guy that knows a guy who's best friend shot one with a .410 at..... blah blah blah.
Still don't change my mind.

The old saying "Use enough gun" isn't only ethical, it's smart.

With "FACTORY AMMO"... Give me a break!!

Spanky

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 06, 2008, 02:37:09 PM »

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Yeah, I knew that was coming too.
Well I know a guy that knows a guy who's best friend shot one with a .410 at..... blah blah blah.
Still don't change my mind.

The old saying "Use enough gun" isn't only ethical, it's smart.

With "FACTORY AMMO"... Give me a break!!

Spanky

The truth sure does hurt, huh Spanky?

scout4 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 06, 2008, 03:07:35 PM »

A picture thats worth a thousand words! scout4<><

Spanky · « **Reply #29 on:** October 06, 2008, 03:46:47 PM »

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The truth sure does hurt, huh Spanky?

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Yeah, it's killing me!!

Hold on, let me search the web for a minute... I think I saw a picture of a HUGE moose killed with a .410 somewhere in the Yukon.

Must have been one of them super duper 87 grain slugs!!

The truth is...

At 15 yds. a .22 short would have killed that deer too.

Does that make a .22 short a deer gun now??

If you want to be limited to spittin' distance when deer hunting... Go for it.
Heck, you can use a Red Ryder if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. (I'm sure it would work for YOU).

The rest of us will use something proper for deer.

Spanky