Sarah Palin Mythology Debunked

[bilmac]

Difference is nobody reports,except Fox, anything bad about Obama, and even if they do Dems brush it off.

[ironglow]

 Better check Alaska law..the troopers serve at the discretion of the Gov..she can fire for many reasons or no reason at all. That is true with all political appointees..trooper is still working ..messed up as he may be..what's your beef ? Do you believe that troopers should regularly be tasering 10 year old kids ?  That alone would get him fired in any other state..yes, it was his own kid, but that doesn't give child abuse a free pass. If a GI in Baghdad did that to a haji for no good reason in 2005..we would still be hearing about it from the mainspew press.
  You accuse me of watching Obama closely..and you're digging up remote stories from Wasilla. Since the folks in Alaska really admire and trust her, the ones feeding you the trash must needs be a small cadre of disgruntled Liberals. Wasilla in general still admires her!

  If you're so "Fair & equitable"..as yopu claim , you owe the McCain/Palin side a plethora of scummy reports about Obama/Biden.. unless you can guide us back to a few posts where you condemned the Obama team with as much vigor as you have the McCain team...Of course, B Hussein Obama said he woul;d stick with the Muslims, does that tell us something ?


 BTWE: You want to give us "fair and balanced" ..so your post #26, you give us this Douglas Herman blog to get "fair & balanced" info. Your game will be up if the guys go to the bottom of the page and click onto his "archives" and read some of them...because they will find him to be a near-certified nutcase kook...

[jk3006]

I'd say so what.  I'm still voting Republican no matter what.

As a gun owner and a Christian, I can do nothing else.

I'm also a gun-owner and a Christian, and I admit that as few as 4-5 years ago I was very much caught up in this left-right/democrat-republican paradigm.  Now I see more clearly, and I see through it.  I see that voting democrat or republican is a lose/lose scenario.  The only exception to that was when Ron Paul tried to get in under the republican ticket.  I'm a constitutionalist.  I'm not interested in debating which socialist government implemented program vs some other socialist program is better for America, like so many people get caught up in.  The constitution is a document of negative/limited authority.  If the corrupt politicians can't follow that document to serve as their guide as to what they can/cannot have influence in, then we've got BIG problems.  And we do! 

Even worse than those fascists in Washington is the fact that there are so few people trying to hold them accountable to the constitution.  Why is that?  Well, because there must be so few people in this country who have any "working knowledge" of the constitution at all.  How can we defend those things that should be the most important to us when we have no clue what that standard really is. 

And so I see a lot of my fellow Christians who, bless their hearts, think that the way they're going to effect change in the political realm is by voting for anyone (almost always republicans) who publically professes to be a Christian with strong family values, regardless of their private dealings that oftentimes show their true colors to be the opposite.  It's no wonder how many republicans have realized and implemented their guaranteed ace-in-the-hole of dunning their "I'm gonna call myself a Christian" costume in order to gain the votes of the same.

I've got news for my fellow Christian brothers.  Trying to make a bad guy/girl moral or to look moral just so you can "feel better" about things is pointless.  Only God can change the hearts of people, and we need to vote our conscience, not just the apparent "lesser of two evils".  We don't live in a theocracy.  Quit trying to make it one!  Because what's happening is we end up voting for people like Dubwa, who is a Skull-and-Boner, Bohemian Grover, and who knows what else, who has also been reported as saying "The g-o-d d-a-m-n constitution is just a piece of paper",has totally abused his delegated authority in the white house, has threatened congress at times and withheld pertinent info from them at other times, and has ruthlessly spent more money than all the other administrations before him put together; but we Christians vote for him because, by golly, he calls himself a Christian.  Sheeeesh!!

It's like we vote for a pretended standard, when there's really no standard at all.  Instead, why not vote for the Constitution, which is a pretty good standard?  And only Ron Paul has demonstrated the ability to understand and the desire to implement that type of strategy. 

By the way, McCain is on record as saying that he thinks we should be in Iraq for the next 100 years.  Palin, from the little bit that I've payed attention to, has done almost nothing but continue to propagate the neocon agenda.  I'm with TM7 on this, as I refuse to give my vote to anyone pushing that agenda.  I'm not even mentioning 'Bama because he's not worth mentioning. 

 
 

[UtahRob]

Any gun owner who votes for Obama can be described in one word, STUPID

You can take gun owner off your comment and it still works !!!!!

Any one  who votes for Obama can be described in one word, STUPID

Obama  ( friends )   and  wife are as anti- American  as you can get . That not the change i want !!!!!!!
He can not be trusted .

 Got bless this country if he wins .

This guy is smart enough to see what going on , it tooo bad so many other people are clueless !!

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,153591.new.html#new

[UtahRob]

I'd say so what.  I'm still voting Republican no matter what.

As a gun owner and a Christian, I can do nothing else.

I'm also a gun-owner and a Christian, and I admit that as few as 4-5 years ago I was very much caught up in this left-right/democrat-republican paradigm.  Now I see more clearly, and I see through it.  I see that voting democrat or republican is a lose/lose scenario.  The only exception to that was when Ron Paul tried to get in under the republican ticket.  I'm a constitutionalist.  I'm not interested in debating which socialist government implemented program vs some other socialist program is better for America, like so many people get caught up in.  The constitution is a document of negative/limited authority.  If the corrupt politicians can't follow that document to serve as their guide as to what they can/cannot have influence in, then we've got BIG problems.  And we do! 

Even worse than those fascists in Washington is the fact that there are so few people trying to hold them accountable to the constitution.  Why is that?  Well, because there must be so few people in this country who have any "working knowledge" of the constitution at all.  How can we defend those things that should be the most important to us when we have no clue what that standard really is. 

And so I see a lot of my fellow Christians who, bless their hearts, think that the way they're going to effect change in the political realm is by voting for anyone (almost always republicans) who publically professes to be a Christian with strong family values, regardless of their private dealings that oftentimes show their true colors to be the opposite.  It's no wonder how many republicans have realized and implemented their guaranteed ace-in-the-hole of dunning their "I'm gonna call myself a Christian" costume in order to gain the votes of the same.

I've got news for my fellow Christian brothers.  Trying to make a bad guy/girl moral or to look moral just so you can "feel better" about things is pointless.  Only God can change the hearts of people, and we need to vote our conscience, not just the apparent "lesser of two evils".  We don't live in a theocracy.  Quit trying to make it one!  Because what's happening is we end up voting for people like Dubwa, who is a Skull-and-Boner, Bohemian Grover, and who knows what else, who has also been reported as saying "The g-o-d d-a-m-n constitution is just a piece of paper",has totally abused his delegated authority in the white house, has threatened congress at times and withheld pertinent info from them at other times, and has ruthlessly spent more money than all the other administrations before him put together; but we Christians vote for him because, by golly, he calls himself a Christian.  Sheeeesh!!

It's like we vote for a pretended standard, when there's really no standard at all.  Instead, why not vote for the Constitution, which is a pretty good standard?  And only Ron Paul has demonstrated the ability to understand and the desire to implement that type of strategy. 

By the way, McCain is on record as saying that he thinks we should be in Iraq for the next 100 years.  Palin, from the little bit that I've payed attention to, has done almost nothing but continue to propagate the neocon agenda.  I'm with TM7 on this, as I refuse to give my vote to anyone pushing that agenda.  I'm not even mentioning 'Bama because he's not worth mentioning. 

Where  has he been reported saying that ?

   "The g-o-d d-a-m-n constitution is just a piece of paper"



  If you stay home and don't vote for Mc Cain  and  Palin then you are helping Obama .
I am not impressed with our choices this time , But Mc Cain and Palin are sure better than Obama  hands down.

[UtahRob]

If we can send an army of mukrakers to Alaska to see what kind of dirt they can find on Palin, how about we find out Obama's Columbia years? I understand there are still sealed documents from that time, kind of like Clintons health records. Even things that are known about Obama by people that care are not publicised. Has the alphabet soup media ever reported that it was the unrepentant left wing radical murderer Bill Ayres who kicked off obamas political carrier. No we don't need to know about that all we need to know is that Palin fired a guy once that was perfectly within her right to do.

The  ( LIB ) news media  will ignore anything negative about Obama,  no matter what comes up . He is the liberal news media poster child just like any other Democratic politician .

[Swampman]

I'd say so what.  I'm still voting Republican no matter what.

As a gun owner and a Christian, I can do nothing else.

I'm also a gun-owner and a Christian, and I admit that as few as 4-5 years ago I was very much caught up in this left-right/democrat-republican paradigm.  Now I see more clearly, and I see through it.  I see that voting democrat or republican is a lose/lose scenario.  The only exception to that was when Ron Paul tried to get in under the republican ticket.  I'm a constitutionalist.  I'm not interested in debating which socialist government implemented program vs some other socialist program is better for America, like so many people get caught up in.  The constitution is a document of negative/limited authority.  If the corrupt politicians can't follow that document to serve as their guide as to what they can/cannot have influence in, then we've got BIG problems.  And we do! 

Even worse than those fascists in Washington is the fact that there are so few people trying to hold them accountable to the constitution.  Why is that?  Well, because there must be so few people in this country who have any "working knowledge" of the constitution at all.  How can we defend those things that should be the most important to us when we have no clue what that standard really is. 

And so I see a lot of my fellow Christians who, bless their hearts, think that the way they're going to effect change in the political realm is by voting for anyone (almost always republicans) who publically professes to be a Christian with strong family values, regardless of their private dealings that oftentimes show their true colors to be the opposite.  It's no wonder how many republicans have realized and implemented their guaranteed ace-in-the-hole of dunning their "I'm gonna call myself a Christian" costume in order to gain the votes of the same.

I've got news for my fellow Christian brothers.  Trying to make a bad guy/girl moral or to look moral just so you can "feel better" about things is pointless.  Only God can change the hearts of people, and we need to vote our conscience, not just the apparent "lesser of two evils".  We don't live in a theocracy.  Quit trying to make it one!  Because what's happening is we end up voting for people like Dubwa, who is a Skull-and-Boner, Bohemian Grover, and who knows what else, who has also been reported as saying "The g-o-d d-a-m-n constitution is just a piece of paper",has totally abused his delegated authority in the white house, has threatened congress at times and withheld pertinent info from them at other times, and has ruthlessly spent more money than all the other administrations before him put together; but we Christians vote for him because, by golly, he calls himself a Christian.  Sheeeesh!!

It's like we vote for a pretended standard, when there's really no standard at all.  Instead, why not vote for the Constitution, which is a pretty good standard?  And only Ron Paul has demonstrated the ability to understand and the desire to implement that type of strategy. 

By the way, McCain is on record as saying that he thinks we should be in Iraq for the next 100 years.  Palin, from the little bit that I've payed attention to, has done almost nothing but continue to propagate the neocon agenda.  I'm with TM7 on this, as I refuse to give my vote to anyone pushing that agenda.  I'm not even mentioning 'Bama because he's not worth mentioning.

This is a load of crap.

Edmund Burke said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing."

Don't call yourself a Christian if you don't support McCain/Palin

[ironglow]

 Utah;
  That statement "W" is supposed to have made about the Constitution..for JK to have heard that, he must have been watching an Oliver Stone movie. The only place I have heard anything about that ALLEGED statement was in the trailer for  Stoned's new movie..
    Of course, we all should know by now that Stone and Micheal Moore are two of a kind..nuff said !

  JK;
   It is not correct to judge another Christian's salvation, if you have been one for more than a couple months..you should know that ! We
 We can "judge them by their fruit" but we are NOT to judge their salvation..let God decide that ! You have accused the Prez of deciding, "I'm gonna call myself a Christain". You cannot know his status with Christ !  Then you go on with false garbage (Bohemian Grover) that you could only have been gleaned from some radical left-wing blog..only they deal in such trash and innuendo ! Then you follow with other half-truths and untruths that you obviously cannot prove.
  Your attack upon Gov Palin is ridiculous. First you admit you have paid little attention to her, then you accuse her of propagating some type of "agenda"..that is only found on far left blogs and in the spiderwebbed minds of conspiracy theorists and Israel haters.
   Your statement is filled with falsehoods and ugly statements the Prez " has been reported as saying"..who is saying it..why good old  pathological liar Oliver Stone. JK; Christians are not to participate in gossip, because we know that causes people to wonder about our salvation..seems as though a bit of repentance is in order..think about it !  I'm not defending "W" here , I am defending Biblical Christianity..
  Since you feel free to judge the President's salvation...perhaps you would like to give us your testimony here..you know..the day you were "born again" etc..and perhaps how you are accomplishing the "great comission."..After all, many of us have already heard the President's testimony..and you're doing the judging and name calling...so let's hear it !

[jk3006]

I'm very familiar with that Edmund Burke quote.  I like it too.

I have no idea how you can link being a Christian to feeling the absolute need to support the republican agenda at any cost.  Can you please explain this to me?

This is a load of crap.

Edmund Burke said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing."

Don't call yourself a Christian if you don't support McCain/Palin

[jk3006]

Wow!  Although I did expect to get flamed, I didn't think it would be this harsh.
When I'm going down the mental checklist as to who I want to vote for, a few things come to mind.  First, I want the candidate to be a genuine born-again Christian who loves God and is wise to the ways of this world.  I do see people like that everyday in common life, except that they're generally not wise to the ways of this world.  The next thing that I look for is that the candidate will uphold the Constitution and defend it like they're supposed to when they take office.  If I can't find someone who is a genuine Christian, then I look to someone who will defend the Constitution.  If there's a candidate who appears to be a genuine Christian but clearly does not support the Constitution, then they're out, plain and simple.  And I haven't seen any candidate yet, other than Ron Paul, who clearly demonstrates that they will honor the Constitution, regardless of their religious beliefs.

Now, just because someone says they're a Christian and even has a testimony, doesn't make it so.  You're right on that we must judge their actions.  Let's look at some of Dubwa's actions and connections.


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is a proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is condemnation before investigation."           -Herbert Spencer


"Then you go on with false garbage (Bohemian Grover) that you could only have been gleaned from some radical left-wing blog..only they deal in such trash and innuendo ! Then you follow with other half-truths and untruths that you obviously cannot prove. "



 
First of all, I'm not a right or left winger.  I find that insulting!  Didn't you read my last post where I said that I have come out of that left/right paradigm?  Bush is a Skull and Boner.  You're gonna have to accept that.  http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=George+W.+Bush+on+meet+the+press+skull+and+bones&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

His father was a Skull and Boner, and so was his granddaddy, Prescott.  Do you know anything about Prescott?  Here's some education for you, in case you don't.  He was a bad dude.  http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=George+W.+Bush+on+meet+the+press+skull+and+bones&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=Prescott%20bush%20&hl=en&emb=0

As to the Bohemian Grove, do you not know anything about it?  Then it's about time that you did.  http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=George+W.+Bush+on+meet+the+press+skull+and+bones&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=bush%20and%20the%20bohemian%20grove&hl=en&emb=0

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=George+W.+Bush+on+meet+the+press+skull+and+bones&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=bush%20and%20the%20bohemian%20grove&hl=en&emb=0

The Skull and Bones is a secret society that is occultic in nature and requires a vow of secrecy to be a part of.  When a person becomes a Christian they must break these oaths and come clean.  Would you not agree with this?  Yet, George holds fast, saying "It's so secret that he can't talk about it".

Now, I said that Bush has usurped his authority.  Remember when that un-American document called the 'Patriot Act' was passed into law?  He threatened Congress that if they didn't sign it and sign is quickly, and if there was another attack, he was going to blame it on them.  That's a threat.  And when does the president, or any politician, lawfully have that power anyway?  Oh, and guess what else, nobody in Congress was even given a copy of the Patriot Act to read before they shamefully signed it.  Ron Paul didn't sign it.

I don't recall the specifics right now, and I didn't save the articles, but I do remember at least a couple of instances where Bush wouldn't allow Congress to view info, etc that they wanted to see.  Not kidding!

He comes from an evil family, and he has not separated himself from them except that he calls himself a Christian.  He has so abused his power that it's not even funny.  He has done almost everything he can to subvert the Constitution.  He has spent money like nobody else previous to him.  Are you ignorant of all these things?

And, yes, according to one of his aides he got rather agitated in one of the meetings and let some bad and treasonous words slip out.  http://www.gnn.tv/threads/10799/Bush_on_the_Constitution_It_s_just_a_goddamned_piece_of_paper

Now, this story doesn't seem to be 100% verified, but it should be no surprise to anyone who has been paying any attention to all this that he would be very capable of making a statement like that because he's demonstrated it in the way he's lived his life as president.  Now if someone were to tell me that Ron Paul made that type of statement, I'd say "no way".

Do I believe he's a Christian?  Not a chance!!!

Even Hitler at one time called himself a Christian, and he probably did it more than once.  Obama has lately been doing the same thing.  But here's one clip of him slipping up, accidentally referring to his "muslim faith"

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=barack+obama+accidentally+talking+about+his+muslim+faith&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

Here's a clip of him blaspheming the Bible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-V_ilJu0w

II Corinthians 11:14,15 - "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness.  Their end will be what their actions deserve."



As to Palin, it's true that I haven't paid much attention to her, but I have paid ENOUGH attention to her to be totally turned off by the things I've read in the mainstream media that she's said.  Much of it surrounded our foreign policy.  And like TM7, I find it disgusting!

Once again, what's your standard?  Mine's the Bible, but also the Constitution.  And if they don't line up with the Constitution, I don't think they'd honor the Bible either.

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. "
                -Adolf Hitler



"good old  pathological liar Oliver Stone."


Are you judging him?  What did he do to turn you off like that?

As to my testimony, I feel no need to share it here.

[phalanx]

For those who think Obama is so great remember his is the Commander and Chief if he is elected.
And i am betting once in office he will turn on a dime and stab even the Liberals in the back for what ever his goals are.
I do not believe he has this country s best interest in mind.
He would have access to information and places we don't need him or any of his friends knowing about.
He will also being the Commander and Chief be able to order the Military to do things to us that none of us may like to well.
If we resist he can institute Martial Law ,making this a Military state with no Constitution ,and if the Congress is all Democrat Liberals they would go along with that.
President Obama could also unleash things like this from our worse nightmares.   



No it isnt a UFO , but you sure do not it let go upon a civilian population .
Or more than one of them.

[jk3006]

Was at a family function tonight, and we talked a bit about Bama.  Very scary dude in the sense of the negative potential he probably has, without question.  But I can't bring myself to vote for the republicans either.  Will probably vote for the constitution party. 

For those who think Obama is so great remember his is the Commander and Chief if he is elected.
And i am betting once in office he will turn on a dime and stab even the Liberals in the back for what ever his goals are.
I do not believe he has this country s best interest in mind.
He would have access to information and places we don't need him or any of his friends knowing about.
He will also being the Commander and Chief be able to order the Military to do things to us that none of us may like to well.
If we resist he can institute Martial Law ,making this a Military state with no Constitution ,and if the Congress is all Democrat Liberals they would go along with that.
President Obama could also unleash things like this from our worse nightmares.   



No it isnt a UFO , but you sure do not it let go upon a civilian population .
Or more than one of them.

[ironglow]

JK;
   In retrospect, I was a bit hot and harsh on you and I assumed some things, I apologize for that. While Bush is far from a top prez, some of the associations you mentioned were unfair. Sometimes, when in California politicians of any stripe may speak at the Bohemian Grove despite it's unsavory reputation, simply because there are votes and connections there. To call someone a "Bohemian Grover" seems to imply that one partakes of the perverse lifestyles evident there. Can't accept that..just doesn't fit.
    I am not one of the Republican/Democrat contingents, although I usually vote for the Republicans on top of the ticket, since I am a registered Conservative.  As I have said before, I think Ron Paul from the start, has the best domestic program but he slipped greatly (IMO) by seemingly lapsing into isolationism. Isolationism was tried after WW1...and I believe it led us into WW2. While the government was relatively isolationist, it's industrialists were not (e.g. Henry Ford and Armand Hammer cozying up to Communist Russia).  Gotta watch them guys..can't do it as an isolationist.
      I think it is obvious that whether we are Right or Left..the two major parties have been playing "good cop, bad cop" with us for at least a couple decades (RR excepted) and have at times even got to the point of "pay no attention to the little man in the green suit" (land of OZ).
..And though they both played us like fiddles at times, the Reps are mere upstarts, while the Dems are concert virtuosos.
   Generally speaking, while both lie or at least hyperbolize, again the Dems are much more practiced and skillful at applying the big, unthinkable lie. The Republicans are so amateurish at lying that they have trouble carrying it off. 
   Proof ?  Only Democrats could possibly have maintained the big fat lie of ACORN for so many years, and only the Democrats have deceitful enough to use our tax money to run such partisan outfits as ACORN (and many others)..It seems like every "crisis" we have is sponsored by Democrats..even when most are nowhere near a "crisis"..the word being only a political ploy. Most of the crisis  items go by the boards, once their adjenda is effected. Some of these urgent problems they have caused ( lack of domestic oil production) yet they are such skilful liars that they announce the "crisis" and often foist the blame off on the Reps ..who are not near so skilful at lying.
While the Republicans have their "warts" the Democrats (esp since the 2000 elections) have been taken over by the radical, Socialist & Marxist gang.

     Although I admire greatly McCain's dedication and courage, I am a lukewarm supporter, yet I am very enthusiastic over Gov Palin, especially since I have family in AK and they have kept me apprised of her genuineness...which is obvious. Just read what Alaskans here on GBO say about her !
   
  My vote for McCain/Palin is purely a DEFENSIVE one..as I see it, a defensive measure to prevent a Marxist takeover.     
 
  Why do I not vote 3rd party ?..   Right now, 3rd party can't win..they can only help Obama win, Ron Paul clearly knows that and is patriot enough not to run and put in a possible Marxist by default. Perhaps his loyal supporters should take a clue from him. If a 3rd party were to start now, organizing for the NEXT election, they may well gather many of us to them next time; but they can't do much starting only at the beginning of the next presidential election cycle. Who knows, if next time Ron Paul would either modify his isolationism or choose a strongly credentialed non-isolationist as a running mate, I as well as others may very well back him.

   In any case, neither the Republicans or a 3rd party can hope for a fair shake from the in-the-tank-for-the-Democrats major media...

  Again jk, I was unduly harsh..sorry about that !

[jk3006]

ironglow,

Thoughtful post.  The only thing I'd like to comment on, once again about the Bohemian Grove, is that I don't believe for one second that anyone who goes there to make connections can do so with the benefit of the American people in mind.  That "society" is pure filth, for sure.  Although there is much conjecture, one cannot say whether or not Bush has partaken of the lifestyle there.  The fact that people go there is telling enough, as far as I'm concerned.  For sure, absolutely certain, this practice is not befitting of a Christian.   

[phalanx]

deltecs,,,just remember you're trying to get Palin elected...not coronated. I'm sure there is a bunch of folks in Alaska that don't care for her politrics too much. We should have a listen to what they say too in comparison to all this sugar coated stuff.

And just where do these people live under a rock ? When i lived there i never met any of them.
They had that stupid rally, where all these so called Palin protesters were marching with signs saying how much they hated her.
It turns out the DNC shipped them in on three Cruse Ships from Holiday lines from California and Oregon.
The locals didn't like hearing Sara being bashed in her own state so a fight ensued.
After the News Crew from CNN had their teeth broken ,it all seemed to stop.
Palin is the only one qualified to even be in Washington.

[223coyote]

I'd say so what.  I'm still voting Republican no matter what.

As a gun owner and a Christian, I can do nothing else.

I'm also a gun-owner and a Christian, and I admit that as few as 4-5 years ago I was very much caught up in this left-right/democrat-republican paradigm.  Now I see more clearly, and I see through it.  I see that voting democrat or republican is a lose/lose scenario.  The only exception to that was when Ron Paul tried to get in under the republican ticket.  I'm a constitutionalist.  I'm not interested in debating which socialist government implemented program vs some other socialist program is better for America, like so many people get caught up in.  The constitution is a document of negative/limited authority.  If the corrupt politicians can't follow that document to serve as their guide as to what they can/cannot have influence in, then we've got BIG problems.  And we do! 

Even worse than those fascists in Washington is the fact that there are so few people trying to hold them accountable to the constitution.  Why is that?  Well, because there must be so few people in this country who have any "working knowledge" of the constitution at all.  How can we defend those things that should be the most important to us when we have no clue what that standard really is. 

And so I see a lot of my fellow Christians who, bless their hearts, think that the way they're going to effect change in the political realm is by voting for anyone (almost always republicans) who publically professes to be a Christian with strong family values, regardless of their private dealings that oftentimes show their true colors to be the opposite.  It's no wonder how many republicans have realized and implemented their guaranteed ace-in-the-hole of dunning their "I'm gonna call myself a Christian" costume in order to gain the votes of the same.

I've got news for my fellow Christian brothers.  Trying to make a bad guy/girl moral or to look moral just so you can "feel better" about things is pointless.  Only God can change the hearts of people, and we need to vote our conscience, not just the apparent "lesser of two evils".  We don't live in a theocracy.  Quit trying to make it one!  Because what's happening is we end up voting for people like Dubwa, who is a Skull-and-Boner, Bohemian Grover, and who knows what else, who has also been reported as saying "The g-o-d d-a-m-n constitution is just a piece of paper",has totally abused his delegated authority in the white house, has threatened congress at times and withheld pertinent info from them at other times, and has ruthlessly spent more money than all the other administrations before him put together; but we Christians vote for him because, by golly, he calls himself a Christian.  Sheeeesh!!

It's like we vote for a pretended standard, when there's really no standard at all.  Instead, why not vote for the Constitution, which is a pretty good standard?  And only Ron Paul has demonstrated the ability to understand and the desire to implement that type of strategy. 

By the way, McCain is on record as saying that he thinks we should be in Iraq for the next 100 years.  Palin, from the little bit that I've payed attention to, has done almost nothing but continue to propagate the neocon agenda.  I'm with TM7 on this, as I refuse to give my vote to anyone pushing that agenda.  I'm not even mentioning 'Bama because he's not worth mentioning. 

  Amen !   Im sick and tired of being played by the republican party , my vote is also going to the constitution party , It's not a wasted vote , it's that kind of thinking that has gotten us where we are today , thinking that we must vote for the lesser of two evils , when both parties are anti american and want to destroy the constitution and bring us into the new world order .
jim
 

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  I see voting for McCain/Palin as a defensive measure...to keep our Constitution, economy, Bill of Rights and entreprenureships intact. If the sleeper gets into the oval office, he will have a majority house and senate with him..perhaps in a filibuster-proof situation. I wouldn't want to see the Republicans in that position, say nothing of a socialist/Marxist president. ...And the SCOTUS; With such a super-majority, Osamba (combo name) can appoint and probably install the most activist, left wing radical judges this nation has ever seen. He can pave the way for Islam to make gains all over the globe.etc, etc.
    While the choice of Christian/non-Christian is not so cut & dried, surely when we vote for (or do not vote against) the one who may give world wide Islam a decided advantage while authorizing the killing of live babies who survived botched abortions and many other ungodly positions...one should pause to reflect..  This still could be a very close election...

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Report clears Palin in Troopergate probe
By RACHEL D'ORO, Associated Press Writer Rachel D'oro, Associated Press Writer 19 mins ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Gov. Sarah Palin violated no ethics laws when she fired her public safety commissioner, the state personnel board concluded in a report released Monday. "There is no probable cause to believe that the governor, or any other state official, violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with these matters," the report says.

"Gov. Palin is pleased that the independent investigator for the Personnel Board has concluded that she acted properly in the reassignment of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan," her attorney, Thomas Van Flein, said in a statement.

An earlier, separate investigation by the Legislature found that Palin had abused her office.

Monegan said he felt pressure from Palin, her husband and her staff to fire a state trooper who had gone through a nasty divorce from Palin's sister. Palin denied the claim, and said Monegan was fired last July because she wanted the department to head in a new direction.

Monegan told The Associated Press on Monday that he was "perplexed and disappointed" by the report. It was prepared by Timothy Petumenos, an independent investigator for the Alaska Personnel Board.

"It conflicts with the first investigation and then casts doubts on both of them. So, it doesn't really resolve anything," he said. "If it did, then I could walk away. It does seem to fly in the face if circumstantial evidence."

A separate legislative investigation recently concluded that Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, abused her office by allowing her husband and staffers to pressure Monegan to fire the trooper. However, it upheld the firing because Monegan was an at-will employee.

Alaska Personnel Board investigations are normally secret, but the three-member board decided to release this report, citing public interest in the matter given Palin's status as a candidate for national office. Election Day is Tuesday.

Palin had earlier waived her privacy rights, but others in her administration did not and Petumenos sought to keep the matter from playing out in the media.

Documents released Monday did not include transcripts of separate depositions given by Palin and her husband, Todd.

That deposition was the only one given by Sarah Palin. She was not subpoenaed to answer questions in the Legislature's investigation, though her husband, Todd, gave an affidavit in that probe.

Petumenos said that during her deposition given under oath, Sarah Palin denied Monegan's claim — also given under oath — that she had two conversations with him about the trooper.

"Both of those conversations were denied in their entirety by the governor," Petumenos said.

Palin initially said she would cooperate with the Legislature's probe. But after she became John McCain's running mate, she said the investigation had become too partisan and filed an ethics grievance against herself with the personnel board.

Telephone messages left with state Sens. Hollis French, who led the legislative investigation, and Sen. Kim Elton, chairman of the Legislative Council, were not immediately returned.


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This investigation was the only one in which Gov Palin was deposed.  Her statements and subsequent facts vindicate her decision in the Troopergate CONSPIRACY.  There would not have been any investigation whatsoever, had the liberal dissidents and defeated candidates for Gov not made an issue of this decision.  Andrew Halcro is a liberal columnist for the Anchorage Daily News that ran for Gov against Gov Palin and lost.  His website and incitement of legislative Democrats was the cause for initiation of the firing of Monegan.  Even the chair of the Ethics Committee was biased.  He stated in the Anchorage Daily News prior to any investigation whatsoever, that Gov Palin ought to be impeached.  A preconceived conclusion must be drawn from the Legislative Ethics report, especially in hotly contested Presidential and Congressional election year.  Naturally the party out of power will attempt any slur to discredit the incumbents.  Even Alaska's former Leader of Senate got on the band wagon, Gail Phillips.  This is the same person who demanded a previous Governor invade Prince Rupert, Canada with Alaska National Guards, to free the blockade of an Alaskan ferry in port there by Canadian fishermen over US and Canadian fishing rights.  The demands by a major Alaskan political figure to invade another country by a State, is ridiculous in the extreme.  This is the type of people and mentality of those opposed to Gov Palin, Sen Stevens, and Congressman Young.  Go figure the credibility, but national news won't print the whole picture, as it is demeaning to Democrats with logic like that.
 

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  It is obvious the "investigation" was politically inspired. They dragged it out as long as they could only finally announcing her innocence on the last day before election. They HAD to announce her innocence before the election or their crookedness would never be lived down by them..still, they did as much damage as they could with a completely bogus charge..and the people of AK should be reminded of these snakes, should they ever try for office again.
    Frankly, I believe that long before two years of Obama's "messiahship" is expired, there are a number of his backers who will wish they had voted for Palin..