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$700,000,000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« on: September 23, 2008, 05:25:36 PM »
Can't believe you folks aren't talking about this?!  Holy cow, you can't preach deregulation and free market and THEN expect the taxpayers to bail your butt out when it doesn't work!  Universal health care is socialist?  Then what the heck is this that is going on here?!!

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 06:14:11 PM »
Yea that is a whole lot of zeroes. I personally think it is pure BS our government is bailing them out because they just lent money to anyone that wanted to borrow it for a home or what ever. Who is going to bail me out when I can't make my payments? The answer is no one!!!!!!!!!!!!! These banks will not blink an eye at forclosing on your house for a few missed payments from families that have lost jobs because of the economy. Why the hell should the government bail them out I say let them sink. Let them feel the pain of the regular American!!!!!! Yea I hear the Gov. is going to buy these loans now and sell them as a profit when the market gets straight. Yea right!!!!!!!!!!!! You get the Gov. involved and even that will loose money. This is pure BS pure and simple. Dale
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Re: $$$7,000,0000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2008, 06:31:07 PM »
Can't believe you folks aren't talking about this?!  Holy cow, you can't preach deregulation and free market and THEN expect the taxpayers to bail your butt out when it doesn't work!  Universal health care is socialist?  Then what the heck is this that is going on here?!!

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Well, have you not looked at the main politicians involved, Liberal Dems like Barney Fag & a present President Bush who is as bad on economics as a Dem. Why act like you don't know this, you know who's to blame. I also know that John McCain warned about this in 2003 & tried to pass leg. about it, but the Dems & some Liberal Republicans would not have that, don't you know that. The Dems & some Rep. "moderates" are up to their eyeballs in this & Bush.

A few Conservative Republican Congressmen hav ebeen against this stuff from the start, but since their are NO Conservative Democraps it has been allowed to continue. But now we have a eal where you are damned if you do & damned if you don't. If you don't understand this you won't after this thread is fininished anyway. But now the Socialist Demoncraps are wanting adding credit cards , cars, etc. None of it has anything to do with free market. You can have oversight as in an Insurance Commission for the ins., business, but that is not ownership. So, yes free
enterprise & making sure that corruption is held at bay is the key, but that did not happen & it is too late to do anything about that.
But now that the dam is broke you can't say just let it go, the gov. let the corruption occur.
It's another case of Gov. screwing things up & the "fix" will be another. Welcome to Socialism.
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Re: $$$7,000,0000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 01:43:57 AM »
  Nomo I have said It many times before here. Liberals will lie about anything to make thier candidate look better. Dakota is an avowed Barrak Hussien Obama voter, need any more be said about his motives and morality?

  I hate to see the bailout also, the scum on wall street got greedy and over spent. And it IS mainly the democrats in congress pushing this socialism of the markets.
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Re: $$$7,000,0000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 01:57:13 AM »
The government forced them to lend money to anyone that wanted to borrow it for a home or what ever.

If they don't they are investigated for discriminatory lending practices.

If we don't do the  bail out this country is a gonner.  What choice do we have?
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Re: $$$7,000,0000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 02:09:09 AM »
No thanks, we don't need a nut job.  I'll vote for McCain again.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 02:21:24 AM »
Someone needs to go to jail for cooking the books.

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 04:41:55 AM »
First of all, you left out two zeroes.  It's 700 billion, not 7 billion.  Secondly, it's not about simply saving the banks that made bad loans.  It's about the potential meltdown of our entire economic system and much of the rest of the world would follow.  That's not to say that I agree with the plan that is on the table, but something has gone sideways and it's going to take some extraordinary action to correct it. 

I suspect that the problem has been in the making for a long time, but certain trading practices have quickly exacerbated and brought the matter to the point it is.  Yeah, I'd be willing to let it all go in the toilet, but I and all of the rest of you, would be right there in the toilet too.  The big money folks and the politicians who were either complicit, or failed in their duties and brought this thing on, will not suffer for one second.

If it takes a $700,000,000,000 bail out to keep us out of a depression, then it's cheap at twice that price.  All we can really do is hope that the politicians don't make it worse.  We're truly in the Donald Trump world of high finance--where you're so far in debt that the bank (us) has to keep loaning money to keep from going broke along with the Donald.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2008, 04:45:53 AM »
Are we here yet?

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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 05:51:43 AM »
Plenty of blame to go around. Banking and financial institutes with their sleezy practices. The Federal Government forcing bad loans on these same financial industries. Our elected officials lining their pockets with kickback money from the financial institutions and failing to properly oversee. Presidential policies from past and present administrations are also to blame. And the big one is "WE THE PEOPLE" What ever happened to saving up for what you want. We want something we want it RIGHT NOW. We take out loans to make our purchases so we are up to our eyeballs in debt.

The same "experts" who say we need this bailout are former CEOs of the financial institutions that caused the problem. Why do we need the 700 billion right now!!! How about floating these institutions with small loans (at least not 700 billion) until investigations, prosecutions, and research can be done. Slow this down a bit.

I, for one, am not for turning over our financial and banking institutions over to the Federal Government. In  passing this bailout we will have socialized our banking and finance. Total control of what you buy and sell in the hands of the party or person in charge. Why not just have the "mark of the devil" tattooed on to your forehead.

700 Billion bailout - H3LL NO, F'n H3LL NO.

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2008, 06:14:56 AM »
and how much of our money will go to overseas investors who own stock in these company's.what about the us manufactures in japan/ china/ Vietnam and so on.
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Re: $$$7,000,0000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2008, 06:19:06 AM »
The thing to remember is NOBODY KNOWS what will happen if we don't do the bailout. It is all speculation.

Remember Y2K

Fix the problems that come up - don't just socialize our economy!

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2008, 11:59:05 AM »
In my opinion the government meddling into the financial sector is what got us in this mess to begin with.  Now the Gov is gonna fix it by meddling some more.  I think the gov just needs to stay the hell outta it.  They are making the failures of big business the burden of the tax payers.  It is wrong and we all know it is wrong.  But we lay down and take it in the rear because we are good citizens and they are the all knowing all mighty perfect government.  It would be unpatriotic to question their motives.  They would never do anything to put out American citizens.   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2008, 12:03:37 PM »
Plenty of blame to go around. Banking and financial institutes with their sleezy practices. The Federal Government forcing bad loans on these same financial industries. Our elected officials lining their pockets with kickback money from the financial institutions and failing to properly oversee. Presidential policies from past and present administrations are also to blame. And the big one is "WE THE PEOPLE" What ever happened to saving up for what you want. We want something we want it RIGHT NOW. We take out loans to make our purchases so we are up to our eyeballs in debt.

The same "experts" who say we need this bailout are former CEOs of the financial institutions that caused the problem. Why do we need the 700 billion right now!!! How about floating these institutions with small loans (at least not 700 billion) until investigations, prosecutions, and research can be done. Slow this down a bit.

I, for one, am not for turning over our financial and banking institutions over to the Federal Government. In  passing this bailout we will have socialized our banking and finance. Total control of what you buy and sell in the hands of the party or person in charge. Why not just have the "mark of the devil" tattooed on to your forehead.

700 Billion bailout - H3LL NO, F'n H3LL NO.

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They got the majority of housing with the bail out of Frannie and Freddie, and now they get the financial and banking institutions.  Hey now they are one step closer to controling EVERYTHING!!!!!!!  The best part is they are doing it under the guise of helping the American people.  HAHAHA!!

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2008, 04:22:34 PM »
you people kill me.   what is 700,000,000,000 among friends?   shoot.....i would pony up 1/4 of that myself if i could find my penny jar. 

   that sick feeling i had a while back is getting stronger.   :'(
   hold on to your @$$3$, it has only just begun i fear. 

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2008, 03:03:23 AM »
didnt even watch it.  what is the point?  i know it is fubar now anyway. 

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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2008, 03:14:37 AM »
Britt Hume on Fox News gave did a little history on how all this came about and what has/has not been done. Interesting. Bush warned Congress TWICE that something needed to be done. Greenspan warned Congress that something needed to be done. And McCain did introduce legislation for oversight and regulation to correct it. Guess what? Dems. like Barney Frank and Chuck Schumer said everything was okay and the institutions were sound. And although McCain's bill did come out of committee it was defeated by the Dems. The Dems were all in favor of these bad mortgage loans because it helped a major share of their base. That's right folks; low-income minorities that screamed that the housing market had discriminated against them. So in other words the Dems were all for it for the votes and the power. And that is why we are in this mess, to put it simply.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2008, 04:16:25 AM »
Come on people.  It's not the fault of one political side or the other.  It's both sides fault.  Both sides introduce legislation intended to sway the voter base.  Both sides failed on fixing this situation BEFORE it happened. 

700,000,000,000... Thats an incredibe #.  As there are around 300,000,000 people in the USA, lets just for the fun of it that we divided this tax payer provided bailout per U.S. Citizen.  (yes i'm aware that not every citizen pays taxes, but lets just say they did)  If we divided the amount of this bailout by the amount of U.S. Citizens, we get the figure of $2333.33 per citizen.  Yeah, I know that's not an accurate figure but for the sake of arguement I'll ask this question...

What would you do w/ your $2333.33?????

Its not going to get any better folks... :(
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2008, 05:13:44 AM »
For me, the problem with the bailout plan is that it is mostly theoretical.  It assumes that the individuals, banks and other institutions who own the mortgage bundles that are at the root of the problem will be willing to sell them at a fraction of their face value.  Some might choose to do that, but then they will have to deal with the loss.  Won't that entail loosing their economic validity, or worse?

The plan also assumes that the government will, in time, be able to sell the mortgages--possibly at a profit.  Right there is where the reality of politics comes into play.  There is simply no way that any possible gain will be allowed to profit our treasury.  Even if a guarantee were written into the plan to use any such funds to pay off federal debt, you know that that would never be allowed to stand.  The liberals would latch onto that money for whatever social program faster than you could blink.

On the other hand, I don't believe there is the option to do nothing.  I haven't heard of any economist who doesn't think that doing nothing would be a pure disaster.  Unless you are a business type, you probably won't know first hand for a few days what is about to happen.  The fear is that all credit will simply dry up.  Business runs on credit.  Credit is a matter of trust and faith and when those ingrediants disappear, so does business.

I guess one could hope that there is a certain amount of inertia in our capitalistic system and that we will coast through this problem, but I'm very unsure of that.  This looks like a case where the government has got to do something--even if it's wrong.  If for no other reason than to instill some confidence--shakey as it might be--that someone is doing something.

Maybe this whole thing will cause people to stop and think about how important it is to elect the right people and maybe some of the politicians will take another look at their responsibilities.  Not!
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2008, 07:30:56 AM »
What would you do w/ your $2333.33?????

I'd send it to Xie Xu Ren, the Finance Minister of China, and say "Here's 10% of my portion of our national debt to your country."


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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2008, 08:45:13 AM »
If i understand what i am hearing.
Congress backed Fannie and Freddie
Democrates took turns being in charge of Fannie and Freddie, to the tune
of $20-25million each.
When Bush said we need some one watching Fannie and Freddie congress
said NO they are helping the American people.
So this makes it all Bush's fault, is that what i am hearing and supposed to believe? ???
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2008, 09:04:10 AM »
I think the point of it = It is the fault of both parties. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2008, 09:35:41 AM »
The fault lies mostly with the democrats.  I know you guys don't like cut and paste, but here are the reasons:

How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Commentary by Kevin Hassett

 

The financial crisis of the past year has provided a number of surprising twists and turns, and from Bear Stearns Cos.
<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=JPM%3AUS> to American International Group Inc.
<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=AIG%3AUS>, ambiguity has been a big part of the story.

Why did Bear Stearns fail, and how does that relate to AIG? It all seems
so complex.

But really, it isn't. Enough cards on this table have been turned over that the story is now clear. The economic history books will describe
this episode in simple and understandable terms: Fannie Mae
<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=FNM%3AUS> and Freddie Mac
<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=FRE%3AUS>
exploded, and many bystanders were injured in the blast, some fatally.

Fannie and Freddie did this by becoming a key enabler of the mortgage crisis. They fueled Wall Street's efforts to securitize subprime loans
by becoming the primary customer of all AAA-rated subprime-mortgage pools. In addition, they held an enormous portfolio of mortgages
themselves.

In the times that Fannie and Freddie couldn't make the market, they became the market. Over the years, it added up to an enormous
obligation. As of last June, Fannie alone owned or guaranteed more than $388 billion in high-risk mortgage investments. Their large presence
created an environment within which even mortgage-backed securities assembled by others could find a ready home.

The problem was that the trillions of dollars in play were only low-risk investments if real estate prices continued to rise. Once they began to
fall, the entire house of cards came down with them.

*Turning Point *

Take away Fannie and Freddie, or regulate them more wisely, and it's hard to imagine how these highly liquid markets would ever have emerged.
This whole mess would never have happened.

It is easy to identify the historical turning point that marked the beginning of the end.

*Back in 2005*, Fannie and Freddie were, after years of dominating Washington, on the ropes. They were enmeshed in accounting scandals that
led to turnover at the top. At one telling moment in late 2004, captured in an article by my American Enterprise Institute
<http://www.aei.org/> colleague Peter Wallison
<http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Peter+Wallison&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1>,
the Securities and Exchange Comiission's chief accountant told disgraced Fannie Mae chief Franklin Raines
<http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Franklin+Raines&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1>
that Fannie's position on the relevant accounting issue was not even ``on the page'' of allowable interpretations.

Then legislative momentum emerged for an attempt to create a ``world-class regulator'' that would oversee the pair more like banks,
imposing strict requirements on their ability to take excessive risks.  Politicians who previously had associated themselves proudly with the
two accounting miscreants were less eager to be associated with them. The time was ripe.

*Greenspan's Warning *

The clear gravity of the situation pushed the legislation forward. Some might say the current mess couldn't be foreseen, *yet in 2005* Alan
Greenspan
<http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Alan+Greenspan&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1>
told Congress how urgent it was for it to act in the clearest possible terms: If Fannie and Freddie ``continue to grow, continue to have the
low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion,
they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road,'' he said. /``We are placing the total financial system of the
future at a substantial risk.'' /

*_What happened next was extraordinary_.* For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate
Banking Committee <http://banking.senate.gov/public/>. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to
eliminate their investments in risky assets.

*Different World *

_If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different_.  In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered
out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market
liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

/_*But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason*_/: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this
would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote
<http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.22514/pub_detail.asp> at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing
the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood
what they were doing.''

*Mounds of Materials *

Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly
did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda
convincing.

*But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including **Barack Obama*
<http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Barack+Obama&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1>*,
**Hillary Clinton*
<http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Hillary+Clinton&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1>*
and **Christopher Dodd*
<http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Christopher+Dodd&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1>*,*
have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.

Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.

Clinton, the 12th-ranked recipient of Fannie and Freddie PAC and employee contributions, has received more than $75,000 from the two
enterprises and their employees. The private profit found its way back to the senators who killed the fix.

There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. /A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear. /

Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: *Senator
**John McCain*
<http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=John+McCain&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1>* was one of the three cosponsors of **S.190* <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN00190:@@@P>*, the bill that would have averted this mess. *

(Kevin Hassett
<http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Kevin+Hassett&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1>, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise
Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He is an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona in the 2008 presidential election. The
opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Kevin Hassett at khassett@aei.org
<mailto:khassett@aei.org>


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Re: $$$7,000,0000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2008, 10:21:52 AM »
Great job of posting links and facts!  Gold star for you :)  Too many people just blab opinions w/o providing evidence!

That being said, Its clearly both parties faults for letting it happen.  This business w/ blaming just the Dems is getting old.  It's just passing the buck w/ no-one taking any responsibility.  When someone steps up and says yeah... we f&^*ed up, we are crossing party lines to fix this then I will both respect and applaud their efforts...

It's a screwed up system that is only resulting in the rapid decline of our great nation.  Unfortunately until we get a respectable candidate, all we can do is try and vote in the best person out of the list we have and sit back to watch the world die...  :'(



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Re: $$$7,000,0000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2008, 11:11:45 AM »
Nobody has done more crossing party lines to fix things than John McCain.  For this he is hated.  Go figure?
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Re: $$$7,000,0000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2008, 11:12:13 AM »
If you read the posts, the Dems are primarily at fault.  Bush warned congress to put restrictions on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac 12 times since 2002.  McCain introduced a bill in 2005 that would have put restrictions on their loans.  The Dems ignored or blocked every attempt because they wanted low income people to get cheap home loans and young start ups into homes they really couldn't afford so they could get votes.  I distinctly remember people warning of the adjustable rate mortgages, when they go up, people will either file bankrupcy or foreclose.  

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Re: $$$7,000,0000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2008, 12:38:54 PM »
Regardless of wether it is the Dems or the Republicans that made the mess.  IMHO it was both.  The point is that they are making it the responsibility of the tax payers to clean it up.  Why are we paying for someone else's mistake. 

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Re: $700,000,000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2008, 12:54:28 PM »
Because we need a country to live in.
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Re: $700,000,000,000 BAILOUT!!!
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2008, 12:59:51 PM »
Both parties now know there must be a bailout.  If they don't, all the banks can come tumbling down.  Then we ALL will suffer.  Americans are in debt, $51 trillion dollars, including mortgages and credit debt.  We have built our economy on credit.  It is now time to start paying.  There needs to be strict guidelines involving credit.  Down payments for homes, limit mortgages to 80%, limit credit card debt.  There is not going to be money to pay for health care, and everything else Obama promises.  The money is not there.  If he overtaxes the rich, they will move more industry offshore, or move to a country without all the taxes.  It will kill any chance of economic growth. 

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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2008, 03:19:03 AM »
Because we need a country to live in.

I personally would much rather live in a country with a few bankrupt businesses than a socialized economy, but it is nice to see that Bush's scare tactics worked on some people.  ::)

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