Which rifle is more accurate out of the box?

[AtlLaw]

Cum'mon guys

I hope the Swamper isn't listening cause I kinda like him and I don't want him to feel bad... 

Y'all sound like a bunch of .243 shooters!  Don't y'all know when you're being had!     Look, most people can't deal with frustration.  And nothing is more frustrating to most people then someone who doggedly clings to a position with NO room for any concession.  Swampie knows this and if he was as myopic as y'all think he wouldn't have anything in his safe but Remington 700 30/06's!  It's like being a democrat.  Have y'all talked to an Obama supporter lately?  Have you ever heard one say "I'm voting for Barack but I like the Republican Vice Presidential Candidate."  Of course not!  And they are serious!  But trust me, the Swamp man isn't.  He just enjoys what he is doing... I do it all the time to defense lawyers!  They just can't resist jumping at the bait when you drop it in front of them! 

Now don't all y'all let the Bog-boy know you're on to him.  We're all friends here so let him have his fun!    'sides, he has brought out 3 pages of good information!

[Tunaman]

Quoting Chuck Hawks origionally would have suited your purpose a bit better. I tend to agree with Hawk's more often than not and I find him to be extremley knowledgable. Here are some other things that he has to say. "the Savage 12 series really lives up to it's advertising slogan, "the definition of accuracy."  "Across the board, the Savage 12 series are the most accurate rifles ever tested by Guns and Shooting online."

Oddly enough in Hawk's article titled "Recomended Centerfire Rifle Brands" his 3 picks are Winchester, Marlin and Weatherby.

I am not anti Remmington, I own two and both shoot pretty well and have been all but trouble free, but there are several good choices out there.  oddly enough, the rifle that has given me the biggest fits is a Savage but I have two other Savages that are great.
  

[jmayton]

http://www.chuckhawks.com/a-bolt.htm

http://www.chuckhawks.com/kimber_84_rifles.htm

http://www.chuckhawks.com/ruger_77.htm
     "The Ruger Model 77 is a fine hunting rifle, as good as or better than anything on the market today, and I am proud to own such a well      made gun. Its good trigger, reliable feeding and high level of accuracy all combine to make this rifle worth keeping."

http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_16_14_rifles.htm
    "We give the Weather Warrior and Classic series rifles two thumbs up. Both offer a lot of rifle at a price point well below their competition. The accuracy of modern Savage rifles continues to amaze. They really live up to their motto, "The definition of accuracy.""

http://www.chuckhawks.com/wby_vanguard_rifles.htm

http://www.chuckhawks.com/win_70.htm

http://www.chuckhawks.com/cz_527_american_rifle.htm
    "The CZ 527 hits on all counts, and whether it is varmint hunting, range work, or just plain fun, it is one of the most impressive and enjoyable rifles that I've ever reviewed. I just can't think of anyone who wouldn't love to have one. It is really that good."

And I have no qualms with your claim that the 700 is the best selling rifle in the world, but that's not what this thread is about.  I mean, why wouldn't they be the best selling, they're less expensive than many of the other rifles on the market and they're sold everywhere.  I don't think I've been in a store that sold firearms that didn't have at least one Rem 700 on the rack.  They produce a lot of them and distribute them well.  So no issue with that but that alone does not mean they are inherently more accurate than another rifle.

[jmayton]

Cum'mon guys

I hope the Swamper isn't listening cause I kinda like him and I don't want him to feel bad... 

Y'all sound like a bunch of .243 shooters!  Don't y'all know when you're being had!     Look, most people can't deal with frustration.  And nothing is more frustrating to most people then someone who doggedly clings to a position with NO room for any concession.  Swampie knows this and if he was as myopic as y'all think he wouldn't have anything in his safe but Remington 700 30/06's!  It's like being a democrat.  Have y'all talked to an Obama supporter lately?  Have you ever heard one say "I'm voting for Barack but I like the Republican Vice Presidential Candidate."  Of course not!  And they are serious!  But trust me, the Swamp man isn't.  He just enjoys what he is doing... I do it all the time to defense lawyers!  They just can't resist jumping at the bait when you drop it in front of them! 

Now don't all y'all let the Bog-boy know you're on to him.  We're all friends here so let him have his fun!    'sides, he has brought out 3 pages of good information!

I think you speak the truth...but there's a way to do it with a bit of tongue in cheek and he's making a reputation for himself and when he wants to seriously chime in on a topic, there will be few to listen to his wisdom....which I do think is there, just not being made apparent.  But, I'm young and inexperienced, so what do I know.

[clarkfork]

After pretty much sticking with the Rugers, Remingtons, and Winchesters for the last 30 years or so, I decided to try a Savage.  A year or so ago, I bought a new 14 in .243 to try after hearing all the hype.  The Accutrigger was neat and worked pretty good after getting used to it, out-of-the-box accuracy was good but not really any better than several/most of the other brands of rifles that I have (probably shooter limited!), stock was decent.  Even though that Savage had decent accuracy, that rifle really lost out in the "looks department" for me, I could never get used to that gawd-awful looking barrel nut (I'm not the type to be switching out barrels) or that bolt release lever sticking up. The entire bolt/receiver area just seemed cheap feeling and junky to me compared to other similar cost rifles I have.  Looks like Savage has attempted to improve in those "looks" areas now with mods to the nut/bolt release.  I sent that rifle down the road, I'll stick with the others for now.   

[ironglow]

  One of those cheap "entry level" Savage rifles..probably can't shoot either...

[Swampman]

$50.00 saddle on a $10.00 horse.

[Spanky]

$50.00 saddle on a $10.00 horse.

That's bound to start something!!
You're nuts Swampman...
    



Spanky

[kyelkhunter3006]

$50.00 saddle on a $10.00 horse.

That's the same thing as putting a high dollar scope and a new custom stock/bottom metal on a cheap 700 ADL..      Ah, I couldn't resist it.

[Swampman]

The ADL is a throughbread.  The Savage is what it is, no matter what you do to it.

[AtlLaw]

Swampy, will you never tire of aggrivating these people?   

[Sweet 6.5]

I stood strong and kept quite but the bait came past...again....!

The questions is :

How serious do you take somebody that needs more than 4 double 7mm lung shots to
put a deer down?

  Give it to me! (I am not scared - I am far away! )

Cheers
Sweet

[Swampman]

Swampy, will you never tire of aggrivating these people?   

I was just trying to answer the question.

[Coyote Hunter]

I stood strong and kept quite but the bait came past...again....!

The questions is :

How serious do you take somebody that needs more than 4 double 7mm lung shots to
put a deer down?

  Give it to me! (I am not scared - I am far away! )

Cheers
Sweet

Considering I've been using a 7mm since 1982 and have never needed more than one in the lungs even for elk, not very.

[Coyote Hunter]

The ADL is a throughbread.  The Savage is what it is, no matter what you do to it.

And, by implication, the Remington ADL is NOT what it is???

By the way, just what IS a "throughbread"?  I assume you meant "thoroughbred"?

The ADL has nice external cosmetics but I've never seen external cosmetics play a factor in accuracy.  The fact is the Savages provide equal accuracy for less money.  Some people would call that "better value".

[Swampman]

The fact is the Savage is a good value.  It just isn't as accurate as the Remington 700.  If money is an issue then there are several good cheap rifles and Savage makes a good cheap rifle.

[Coyote Hunter]

The fact is the Savage is a good value.  It just isn't as accurate as the Remington 700.  If money is an issue then there are several good cheap rifles and Savage makes a good cheap rifle.

If I thought you believed the crap you spew I'd feel sorry for you.  But even a brick isn't that stupid.

[Swampman]

Just basing my comments on 45 years of shooting.

[Coyote Hunter]

Just basing my comments on 45 years of shooting.

This year I purchased a Remington M700 and a Savage 111, both NIB, both in .30-06, and they are equally accurate.  My Ruger .30-06 beats them both. 

[Tunaman]

 

[Swampman]

Just basing my comments on 45 years of shooting.

This year I purchased a Remington M700 and a Savage 111, both NIB, both in .30-06, and they are equally accurate.  My Ruger .30-06 beats them both. 

You are mistaken.

[AtlLaw]

You are mistaken.

Uh Oh!      

[Coyote Hunter]

Just basing my comments on 45 years of shooting.

This year I purchased a Remington M700 and a Savage 111, both NIB, both in .30-06, and they are equally accurate.  My Ruger .30-06 beats them both. 

You are mistaken.

Hmmm, I think I see - your 45 years of shooting counts for something, my 50 years does not...  ...and I don't know how my own rifles shoot...

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

[Swampman]

That's ok....That doesn't change the fact that the Remington 700 is the most accurate production rifle you can buy right out of the box, and that was the original question.  Most are 1/2 MOA.  You just can't beat a Remington.

[ironglow]

 

[Spanky]

This is gettin' good!


Spanky

[kyelkhunter3006]

That's ok....That doesn't change the fact that the Remington 700 is the most accurate production rifle you can buy right out of the box, and that was the original question.  Most are 1/2 MOA.  You just can't beat a Remington.

Sure I can.....  With a Ruger, or Savage (centerfire and blackpowder), Stevens, Howa, Weatherby, T/C (centerfire and blackpowder), Knight, Marlin (even before Remington bought them), Blaser, Merkel, Kreighoff, Mossberg, S&W, Kimber, Shaw, Brown.......oh, I think that's enough examples.   

That's just for accuracy and function....  for frustrations, I usually beat a Remington with a hammer, crow bar, or whatever I can whack it against out in the field.   

[mrbigtexan]

if only they made the remington 788 still, then there would be no arguments at all!!!

[ironglow]

  I'm a rimfire fan and obviously Remington has proven their skill in rimfires..I mean the 597..
  Then;...how can anyone ever beat the famous (or infamous) VIPER...

[Coyote Hunter]

That's ok....That doesn't change the fact that the Remington 700 is the most accurate production rifle you can buy right out of the box, and that was the original question.  Most are 1/2 MOA.  You just can't beat a Remington.

 

My 1975 M700 in .308 Win beats MOA but neither of the two new ones I've shot, both .30-06, would beat it.