rifle opinion

[billy]

The new model 70 or savage model 114 ,which would you get for a new deer rifle and why?

[nilescoyote]

Id perfer the win 70. I like the safety and bolt release over other brands and most winchester actions just feel tighter and smoother to me.

[huntswithdogs]

Savage. The last Mdl 70's I've shot haven't inpressed me all that much. The onliest thing I do not like about Savages are thier Plastic stocks. They really need to do something about them.


HWD

[billy]

The last savage 114 i looked at had a nice walnut stock on it ,a real upgrade for a savage,good looking rifle ,have always liked a model 70 also.

[Dave in WV]

Between the two the Savage. What I would get is a Ruger.

[Graybeard]

The one with Remington written on it.

[Warthog]

I really can only speak about the previous model 70.  If they haven't changed it too much, it's a great rifle.  The Savage 114 is a great shooter and this model is certainly a step up from their "normal" appearance.  Both should be extremely accurate.  It would be best to fondle each and see which one fits you best.  Whatever you buy, make sure the box doesn't have a lot of green on it or starts with the letters REM.

[Freezer]

    The one that fits the best. 

[Swampman]

The one with Remington written on it.

I agree!

If I HAD to choose between the Savage and the New Winchester 70, I'd choose the Savage because it's made by an American company.

[kyelkhunter3006]

That's hard one.  I like both rifles.  I'd buy which ever one had the features I wanted most.  If you want a detachable mag, then it's Savage.   If you want controlled round feed, then it's the Winchester.  Etc.  They aren't very similar rifles, so I'd imagine that if you put what you want on paper, there would be a decided advantage to one of them.

   Swampie, remember now, the new Model 70's are made in America too.  So Americans still benefit when you buy one.  BTW, do you have an American scope on your American rifle?  I thought it was Nikon?  When are you getting a Leupold for it?

[Swampman]

I'm not real happy with the Nikon.  I may put a Leupold on it, but even Leupold & Zeiss use Chinese lenses and parts.

[kyelkhunter3006]

I know that Leupold uses Japanese glass, and I believe that Zeiss does too.  I can't believe that either of them would stake their reputations on Chinese quality control for any of their parts though.  But that's off topic.

Back to topic, either gun will work great, again, just pick your features and let us know how it goes.

[Swampman]

I know that Leupold uses Japanese glass, and I believe that Zeiss does too.  I can't believe that either of them would stake their reputations on Chinese quality control for any of their parts though.  But that's off topic.

Back to topic, either gun will work great, again, just pick your features and let us know how it goes.

There are only 3 places in the world that make scope lenses.  Guess where they are located.

[Skunk]

I may put a Leupold on it, but even Leupold & Zeiss use Chinese lenses and parts.

Swampman,

Show some proof that Zeiss uses Chinese lenses and parts. I'm not certain, but I seriously believe that the top line Zeiss scopes are made in Germany using all German made parts, and the American made Zeiss scopes are made in the U.S. using German parts, including the lenses. Please show me some evidence that any part or any amount of labor that goes into making a Zeiss scope comes from China. Until you show some proof, I'm calling bull-crap on your outrageous statement.

[Swampman]

I recently read a story written by a fellow who was visiting one of the only 3 scope lens factories in the world (all 3 are in China.)  He saw Ziess people in the plant and they were very unhappy about being spotted.  Believe whatever you like, it doesn't matter to me.

[Skunk]

Don't be a smarty pants Swampman, I just want to know the facts. I recently read a report on the website of Schott Glasswerks in Germany, the company that was founded by Otto Schott, Ernst Abbe, and Carl & Roderich Zeiss, and the company which I believe supplies the lenses for Zeiss scopes, that said their company recently opened a new manufacturing facility in China that supplies pharmaceutical glass to the Chinese market, but there was no mention of lenses for rifle scopes. What was the story that you read? Is there a link to it? I would also like to read it. 

[Brithunter]

Personal attack deleted. This is your LAST WARNING. Stop with the personal attacks or find another site to post on. You will face a ten day time out ban next time you do another personal attack of this sort. If that doesn't get your attention it can be made permanent. Graybeard

Swaroski still makes glass and as far as I am aware still makes it's own glass. Don't know where Khales sources their glass but the Russians make glass as well on of the reasons they went into Eastern Germany was to grab stuff like the Jena factory  .

[Swampman]

Don't be a smarty pants Swampman, I just want to know the facts. I recently read a report on the website of Schott Glasswerks in Germany, the company that was founded by Otto Schott, Ernst Abbe, and Carl & Roderich Zeiss, and the company which I believe supplies the lenses for Zeiss scopes, that said their company recently opened a new manufacturing facility in China that supplies pharmaceutical glass to the Chinese market, but there was no mention of lenses for rifle scopes. What was the story that you read? Is there a link to it? I would also like to read it. 

I read it in a magazine article about Leupold scopes.  The fellow that wrote the article was touring the factory (in China)where Leupold lenses were made.  I don't remember the name of the publication.  I read at least 20-30 different gun rags a month.  He said he saw Zeiss employess at the plant and they weren't happy about being seen there.

[Bart Solo]

You know it is funny, but lens making is a high tech activity.  There is an emphasis on very expensive equipment operated by very skilled technicians. I don't think there is anything about it that would make labor costs paramount. It isn't like making Nikes or picking fruit. The Japanese have very skilled technicians with relatively high labor costs and they are very active in lens making. I can't understand exactly why the Chinese or especially the Philippines would have a leg up on anybody else, except their governments made a decision to corner the market. 

[Old English]

It's always about the bottom line, whatever the product. I work in the sewing industry, a real thermometer of industry. If it is possible to make good glass in China, I'm sure they would or do?
China is not as you may imagine, it can produce good quality products when it has to. Machines do a lot of the work in any industry. Quality control can be as tight in China as any country when it has to be. Note, when it has to be!! Left to their own devices they will produce the cheapest junk they can, as we have seen many times. A little control and they can hang with the best.

No idea about scope and lense production but, if it can be done, it is being done, I am sure!

[slim rem 7]

 china is where this country was at the turn of the 20th century..
 the big difference is the little time it took ,or will take to become the dominant force economically and militarily of the planet..
  also theres no doubt that they are at least equeal as to intelligence..