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Re: The Bush Doctrine/ The Bush Legacy
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2008, 03:23:10 AM »
God "allows" children to starve EVERYDAY. 

Not his children

I'm sorry, but I find it scary to think of my children suffering.  I don't leave it up to God to take care of my kids.

That's because you don't believe his word.

I just can't sit back and think God will handle everything while my family does without.

"Consider the lilly it neither toils nor spins."  If you are God's child, he will provide your needs.

"I will fear no evil, for thou art with me"

We can change nothing.  That's why I have no fear.
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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2008, 03:23:30 AM »
Better off well I am not going to list money or toys, however I am a lot CLEANER knowing that the FILTH that was in the white house isn't there anymore.   Jim

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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2008, 03:29:16 AM »
Working my ass off for a very few dollars, and no pension didn't seem like socialism to me.

There are 2 kinds of men.  Those who served, and those who make excuses why they didn't.
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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2008, 03:34:37 AM »
swamp man , there are more ways to serve than being in uniform , the guys at the front need food , tires and ammo to mention a few !
TM-7 , do you really believe that ?
Heather , don't confuse need with want !
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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2008, 04:03:58 AM »
TM7....

"Jimster....this all interesting but harkens of the usual Republican blame thrower: a] the Clintons caused it, b] the left wing media supported it. c] the liberal dem socialist in Congress made it...it takes global whining to new heights. If we accept your post verbatim...then what the heck does the president do anyway? And therefore do we need a president at all?  This last president has shirked and faked his duty to the American people and country, all long following and manifesting neocon doctrine...he's a phony and a fake like McCain."

Guess what, I'm not a republican, or a member of any party....appears as if you look for argument to push your own agenda, and in order to that, yuo must "assume"...things that are not written in my post.

I also was never a Bush fan...in my opinion the alternative was worse back then, but what the heck, that was just my opinion.  Also, you seem to take my post and twist into your own deal...I think I specifially said Clinton did not cause anything concerning my economic stituation....nor did Bush.  
You would make an excellent senator the way you twist things up....you should run for office.

I will also stand by my orginal thought, that congress is more important to fix than the president....since all power is in their hands....guess what...that's the way things were set up.  If you feel the president has all this power to start illegal wars...maybe you also need to look at Congress like me...since they voted for it.

As far as who is more "fake"...gee wizz...I think I mentioned in my post I personally have not had a lot to choose from.  

Far as I can tell...you have more of an agenda than I do here....I'm only asking for government to get out of my way.  

Me thinks you assume too much about me.....
I am no loyal to no party...and the "issues" are much easier than what politicians...or you...make them out to be.

As of now...the president is nothing but an icon....there are 535 people in Congress that backdoor you and I....pointing at whoever is in the presidents seat is pretty easy for them, and you it seems.

Matter of fact...the only way you can even push your agenda is to twist what I say, and assume things (like I am a republican)....how else could you even continue to push your agenda without doing that.

I stand by everything I said....and it was only my opinion on how I feel about things.
The rest...you made up.




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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2008, 04:13:38 AM »
Yup, I'm better off in every way with respect to having George W. Bush for President.  I thank heaven and the other folks who voted for him instead of Gore and Kerry.  

As for my sense of well-being--that was doing quite well untill Harry Reid became Majority Leader of the Senate and Nancy Pilosi became Speaker of the House.  But in spite of those two idiots and most of the rest of the Dumbycrat politicians, I am wealthier, healthier and more hopeful that we might defeat the scum that wants to kill us all.

President Bush hasn't been perfect, but I don't recall Mr. Perfect being on the ballot.  I believe if history is honest, G. W. Bush will be on the short list of Presidents who really made a difference and led this country through some of its most trying times.  He continues to make a difference today, when the libs figured he would long since have been irrelevant.

If the choice were between a third and fourth term of President Bush as opposed to a President Osama, I'd take it without hesitation.
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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2008, 05:13:29 AM »
We can change nothing.  That's why I have no fear.

That sir is what is wrong with America today.  People have lost their confidence.  If G. Washington and B. Frankin had had that attitude we would be enjoying a cup of tea with our crumpet today.  If enough good people stand up for what is right we might be able to save this country.  IMO I don't think God cares one way or another if Americans live free, but I do.
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2008, 05:28:22 AM »
"We can change nothing.  That's why I have no fear."

Pretty sure that's why so many younger people are going to vote for Obama.  While he lacks experience, knowledge and wisdom, he is an advocate for change and hope.  My wife is voting for him for that reason.  I've talked to her about it and if that's the way she feels then she should express it by voting that way.  I for one will not be voting for either... but I will be voting.
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2008, 05:49:04 AM »
Well, TM7...if I seemed a bit sensitive to someone attaching me to one of those big parties...or thought you were attaching me to one....I reckon I appolgize.  I read what you wrote same as you read what I wrote.

In my view there is no difference in the two parties,  they fight like little kids and point at each other, and at the end of the day get nothing done right.  The majority of both vote the same way, make knee jerk policies to appease us and make us think they are on top of it...nobody has a calulator I guess up that way, and they must figure we are all too stupid to figure out they have not had a clean bill come out of congress in many years.  Most of what they do is try to FIX their earlier fixes and tac on a million things they want, or they won't pass it at all.

As far as interpreting my words...have at it....I guess that what the public forum is all about.  You do have a point there.

It's not easy these days to just be an American, and spend our own money, and expect government to stop spending and sending it out of the country.  Never did like the Robin Hood theory that some people are sold on, but they get that from politicians who play the "envy" game.  

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Re: The Bush Doctrine/ The Bush Legacy
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2008, 04:45:42 AM »
My ears always perk up when i hear about children starving.
If children are starving in America it is because their parents are to lazy
or to stupid to walk down to the welfare office and get them some thing to
eat, we have the biggest give away food program in the world, seems you
don't have to be a legal citizen to get food and food stamps, several
generation have been raised on welfare. I know of some unwed mothers
that pay $80.00 month for housing that includes ph. and elec., water
they get more food than them and their children can eat, plus a cash allowance
for each child.(enough to have one every 11-12 months) plus will pay child care while they work. That is what is wrong
with this country, every one can do something, some more than others.
When you bring me proof of working some where, and pass a drug test you
can stay on the welfare roles. I say let the wall street folks eat their own cake.
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« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2008, 04:52:10 AM »
+1 to Rex!!!
I'm voting 3rd party in this election by writing in Jesus Christ for president.  Sadly even if this were an option most of you would still vote Republican because "It's a two party system."

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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2008, 04:59:52 AM »
REX666 LET THEM LIVE ON THE RICHES THEY ALREADY HAVE from wall st .
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2008, 05:16:13 AM »
REX666 LET THEM LIVE ON THE RICHES THEY ALREADY HAVE from wall st .


IMHO our gov should not give handouts to Wall Street or Main Street.  They should stay the hell outta our lives period.  Each man/woman being responsible for themselves and their own children.

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« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2008, 06:00:34 AM »
Heather
I truly agree with what you are saying,(hold on, don't leave, here it comes.)
BUT what do we do about the folks that will not take care of their own,
have not for several generations. All some folks do is breed, mother and father
can not live together because it cuts down on welfare. Some of these people know no other way, and their children will know no other way, some people
say we need to educate them(they already know how to do nothing and
survive) to me life is more than just surviving. I am sorry but this really makes
me mad. >:( ???
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« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2008, 08:26:15 AM »
Heather that was my point .
Rex6666 , let them figure it out on their own , should make the gene pool stronger !
GOVT. is big business !  think about it ! Who is the bail out really for ?
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« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2008, 03:44:22 AM »
Shootall
I understand what you are saying. The people i am talking about are for the most uneducated and plan to stay that way.
Wall street to me is a different story, these people are all very well educated,
some are educated beyond their intelligence. These people knew exactly what
they were doing and chose to do it, now they should pay the price,  let them cough up some of that money they "made/stole".

If we have to bail them out each and every person involved should be investigated and punished for their part >:(
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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2008, 04:36:59 AM »
 Since the 2000 election..we have had an attack on the mainland United States that far surpassed the the death toll of the Pearl
  Harbor attack. We are fighting a 2 front war (same as WW2), we face a greater threat of internal terrorism than we did during WW2,
 and still we were doing very well economically, until the Democrats took over Congress in 2006 and blocked every measure designed
  to have prosperity continue. It appears evident that their plan was to have things crash just about now..and their Machiavellian plan
   has worked very well..enough people are gullible enough to blame the Prez for what Congress has done (or not done).
   Yes, our war against those who would like to kill us AND our children has not gone smoothly, because unlike WW2 ..when all Americans
  backed the Prez in prosecuting the war..there are enough products of the "sickening sixties" and it's intellectual offspring running around
   to make prosecuting ANY war very difficult for the C in C..
   We face an enemy that could destroy ALL our freedoms and some few scream bloody murder that the homeland security may check on
 internet communications between terrorists that may be planning another 9/11 strike..
  Frankly; I am not a crook, a smuggler, a dope seller or dope user, I'm not breaking game laws or cheating on my taxes. I am not
  running a ponzy scheme, selling bogus stocks, dealing in pornography or holding dog fights....Homeland security can eavesdrop on my
 internet communications anytime they want if it will help keep my country safe. Fact is, if they did eavesdrop on my communications
  (any of them) ..they would soon be bored. ;) :D ;D 
   Truthfully, they are not interested in any of the foregoing anyway, they just want to stop some Islamofacists from KILLING your children and everyone else's children.
     "W" has not been the outstanding Prez that many expected him to be, but just suppose Algore or any other major Democrat had
 won the 2000 election, how well would he have faced the same challenges that W has faced. Perhaps he/she would have treated the
  attack upon the twin towers as a "random criminal act" as Clinton did the first time the towers were attacked..then we would have
  undoubtedly had follow-up attacks.
    We would have not had Roberts and Alito in the SCOTUS ..and we would right now be being informed to turn in some of our guns
  and be registering others.
   THe Dems would have their operative's kids snooping into opponents E-mails, just as they recently did with Sarah Palin..

    The main ugly situation that has brought on the economic problems we now face is the mortgage industry, where banks and lending
  institutions were told by liberal/activist politicians that they MUST make high-risk loans to millions of people that had no or bad credit.
  "Affordable housing"..to these liberal politicos, means FREE housing to many of the idiots that vote them on.
    " If wishes were horses, beggars could ride."

   Unfortunately, the programs instituted by the "great society" and "war on poverty" has resulted in a situation where there as many
  folks taking out of the pot as there arte putting in..and they ALL vote...
  had  immediate follow up attacks.

  Generally, history will treat W kindly, because he has done better than any of his competitors would have done (IMO).
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« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2008, 10:34:48 AM »
Shootall
I understand what you are saying. The people i am talking about are for the most uneducated and plan to stay that way.
Wall street to me is a different story, these people are all very well educated,
some are educated beyond their intelligence. These people knew exactly what
they were doing and chose to do it, now they should pay the price,  let them cough up some of that money they "made/stole".

If we have to bail them out each and every person involved should be investigated and punished for their part >:(
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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2008, 10:42:43 AM »
as far as w, he is backing this bailout.  i dont agree with him.  as far as scotus appointments, he tried to slip on by us and appoint one of his female friends...and the right turned on him, then he appointed alito i believe.   the thing about him is we must watch him.  i dont believe he has been treated fairly or even close to it.  he has certainly made mistakes; and is liable to make a few more if we arent vigilent.  i also believe he is a good guy, and trying to do the best thing as he sees it for the country. 
    the media wont give him a fair shake for nothing, but again, there are ways around that.  i would have held presidential broadcasts every two weeks to talk directly with the citizens, bypassing the media altogether.  i am glad i didnt have to deal with the hand he has been dealt; that i know for sure. 

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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2008, 11:25:15 AM »
IRONGLOW. There ya go making sense again, shame, shame, shame. Yer  gonna confuse some folks here. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2008, 11:57:11 AM »
Shootall
I understand what you are saying. The people i am talking about are for the most uneducated and plan to stay that way.
Wall street to me is a different story, these people are all very well educated,
some are educated beyond their intelligence. These people knew exactly what
they were doing and chose to do it, now they should pay the price,  let them cough up some of that money they "made/stole".

If we have to bail them out each and every person involved should be investigated and punished for their part >:(

NOTHING!!!  This sounds cruel, but let them fend for themselves.  Maybe if the Gov wasn't there to bail them out, people who can't take care of themselves wouldn't have kids.
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« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2008, 12:01:32 PM »
You recently stated you were "afraid" you wouldn't be able to take care of your own kids.
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« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2008, 12:13:03 PM »
if the government keeps sticking their paws where they dont belong, all of us will have a hard time feeding the kids.   
   see, some of us actually care about a generation other than our own; i.e. we are thinking of the future of our kids before we are thinking of our own future.  i know that is REALLY hard for some of you people to get your minds around; as you are so used to thinking of yourselves only.   

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« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2008, 03:48:30 AM »
Heather , don't know where you live but around here the more you have ( kids )the more you get . They call it playing the wealfare system . Check day here is known as mothers day !
Guess the wall street crowd is now trying their hand at it .
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« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2008, 04:07:57 AM »
You recently stated you were "afraid" you wouldn't be able to take care of your own kids.

I am afraid it is going to be VERY difficult to take care of them in a world of chaos.  Do I think the Gov should take care of them, Hell NO.  They are the ones who made the mess I will be raising my kids in.

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« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2008, 07:55:59 AM »
SO - WE THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE .
Is it the fault of the ones that did not vote ? or the ones that vote in the polititions that screwed up the country ? Or the ones that stated all men are equal ? guess no one ever wrote that all men don't contribute equal but want equal rights . or is it some decided to vote themselves free stuff ?
I say if you didn't vote even once you are part of the blame ! If you did not cry out when laws were abused you are part of the blame , The worst thing voters can do is be silent ! the elected elite begin to think for themselves and look where that has gotten us !
Bush is not to blame WE THE PEOPLE ARE ! we allowed it to come to what politics are in this country today !
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« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2008, 11:09:11 AM »
You recently stated you were "afraid" you wouldn't be able to take care of your own kids.

I am afraid it is going to be VERY difficult to take care of them in a world of chaos.  Do I think the Gov should take care of them, Hell NO.  They are the ones who made the mess I will be raising my kids in.

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« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2008, 11:19:56 AM »
SO - WE THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE .
Is it the fault of the ones that did not vote ? or the ones that vote in the polititions that screwed up the country ? Or the ones that stated all men are equal ? guess no one ever wrote that all men don't contribute equal but want equal rights . or is it some decided to vote themselves free stuff ?
I say if you didn't vote even once you are part of the blame ! If you did not cry out when laws were abused you are part of the blame , The worst thing voters can do is be silent ! the elected elite begin to think for themselves and look where that has gotten us !
Bush is not to blame WE THE PEOPLE ARE ! we allowed it to come to what politics are in this country today !
I agree shootall, that those who don't vote have no say. I agree that our complacency has created the situation we are in. Compare the percentage of voter turnout in this country with other countries.
 I have a problem however, with your comment about men who don't contribute equally, but want a vote. The founding fathers were very specific about "one man, one vote", and I agree.
I have acquaintances that feel that the number of votes you get should depend on how much you contribute to society. That to me seems somewhat elitist.
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Offline Swampman

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Re: The Bush Doctrine/ The Bush Legacy
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2008, 11:25:13 AM »
Until fairly recently in American history, only land owners could vote.  I think you should have to have worked 6 months out of the last year, and produce a W-2 to vote.
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Re: The Bush Doctrine/ The Bush Legacy
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2008, 11:31:41 AM »
Until fairly recently in American history, only land owners could vote.  I think you should have to have worked 6 months out of the last year, and produce a W-2 to vote.

Really???  Why am I once again shocked at your mentality.  You want us to go backwards?  There are some people who can't or don't work for reasons that doesn't make them stupid, uninformed, or politically challenged.  Instead of discriminating against unemployed, I'd be much more comfortable discriminating against idiots.  Make everyone take a basic political knowledge test, and if you fail you can't vote.  FYI I personally believe voting is a privilege that everyone deserves, but as with all privilege comes responsibility.  That responsibility is staying informed on the candidates and where they stand on the issues. 

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