Author Topic: AR15 whats your opinon? (Read 16113 times)

powderman · « **Reply #60 on:** September 27, 2008, 02:24:50 PM »

I killed a deer with my mini 14, great little gun. A guy told me he was against assault rifles, I said what is that??? I said, you mean powerful, short, lt wt, quick to point??? He said yeah, thats it. I said, funny, thats what I call a good brush gun. POWDERMAN.

Old Syko · « **Reply #61 on:** September 27, 2008, 02:42:37 PM »

Quote from: powderman on September 27, 2008, 02:24:50 PM

I killed a deer with my mini 14, great little gun. A guy told me he was against assault rifles, I said what is that??? I said, you mean powerful, short, lt wt, quick to point??? He said yeah, thats it. I said, funny, thats what I call a good brush gun. POWDERMAN.

You just described every short barreled lever gun in my possession including my 444p outfitter. Seems peculiar to see it described as an assault rifle doesn't it Swampman? Get used to it! It is the next step to failure, thanks to people who are so willing to cave.

BTW, I mean no offence to Powderman as I merely used his statement to show a point.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #62 on:** September 27, 2008, 02:48:38 PM »

right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...........you wouldn't believe all the hoops i had to jump through to get my suppressed sub-machine gun......i don't care what some ignorant Anti-gun moron thinks of my taste in toys .. i own and shoot what suits me.... some states you can't hunt with a simi-auto.......bet they will be they next states to ban ownership....because the hunters don't care........then when they come after the hunters guns the the auto crowd [that is now into fishing] will laugh and say where were you when they banned my gun

myronman3 · « **Reply #63 on:** September 27, 2008, 03:37:15 PM »

once again, swampy knows best and the rest of us are just morons. just ask him, he'll tell you! i have a stump out back i would just as soon waste my time talking with, and i KNOW the stump is more open minded.

powderman · « **Reply #64 on:** September 27, 2008, 04:41:03 PM »

OLD SYCHO. No offense taken. I wish I still had that mini, a great little brush gun. I know folks that hunt deer with their sks, nice little woods guns too. My last kill was with my 94 winnie. POWDERMAN.

dukkillr · « **Reply #65 on:** September 27, 2008, 05:38:46 PM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on September 27, 2008, 02:48:38 PM

right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...........you wouldn't believe all the hoops i had to jump through to get my suppressed sub-machine gun......i don't care what some ignorant Anti-gun moron thinks of my taste in toys .. i own and shoot what suits me.... some states you can't hunt with a simi-auto.......bet they will be they next states to ban ownership....because the hunters don't care........then when they come after the hunters guns the the auto crowd [that is now into fishing] will laugh and say where were you when they banned my gun

This is an actual quote from an NRA propaganda piece isn't it?

I wouldn't use an AR to deer hunt with. Not that it wouldn't work just fine, just not my style.

nomosendero · « **Reply #66 on:** September 27, 2008, 05:41:33 PM »

Quote from: dukkillr on September 27, 2008, 05:38:46 PM

Quote from: 45-70.gov on September 27, 2008, 02:48:38 PM
right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...........you wouldn't believe all the hoops i had to jump through to get my suppressed sub-machine gun......i don't care what some ignorant Anti-gun moron thinks of my taste in toys .. i own and shoot what suits me.... some states you can't hunt with a simi-auto.......bet they will be they next states to ban ownership....because the hunters don't care........then when they come after the hunters guns the the auto crowd [that is now into fishing] will laugh and say where were you when they banned my gun
This is an actual quote from an NRA propaganda piece isn't it?

I wouldn't use an AR to deer hunt with. Not that it wouldn't work just fine, just not my style.

We all have different taste & different styles. Isn't it nice to have the ability to make that choice for ourselves.

myronman3 · « **Reply #67 on:** September 28, 2008, 02:42:22 PM »

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I wouldn't use an AR to deer hunt with. Not that it wouldn't work just fine, just not my style.

i wouldnt use it for deer either. but i would/do use them for predator hunting. but the thread was about what we thought of the ar in general, not whether or not it was what we prefered for deer hunting.

Swampman · « **Reply #68 on:** September 28, 2008, 02:47:51 PM »

You need to re-read the first post.

Swampman · « **Reply #69 on:** September 28, 2008, 02:48:52 PM »

Quote from: myronman3 on September 27, 2008, 03:37:15 PM

once again, swampy knows best and the rest of us are just morons. just ask him, he'll tell you! i have a stump out back i would just as soon waste my time talking with, and i KNOW the stump is more open minded.

Finally a post I agree with

Sourdough · « **Reply #70 on:** September 28, 2008, 03:20:07 PM »

Back in the 1700s a gun with rifling would be classified as an assault weapon. Mid 1800s a breech loader would thus be classified. Those Indians sure took care of Custer and the 7th with their assault (Lever) rifles. Then in the 1940s it was the M-1 Garand. An assult rifle can be many things.

Now as for the AR type guns, they have come a long way. You can now get them in 22-250, 6.5, 308, and many other calibers. They are becoming popular for hunting varmints and big game. Someday I will probably own a couple. At the moment my Mini-14 and Mini-30 are serving me well, so I don't need an AR.

no guns here · « **Reply #71 on:** September 29, 2008, 01:19:38 AM »

I like mine... have shot two deer with it. No hogs, no pd's, killed a bunch of paper with it. A few crows became puffs of feathers in a friends field one day. Smoked a coyote or two on the in-laws place. Yep it works for me when I want it to. If I were going to hunt with it in a social setting I might paint it something other than black just because. They are great little rifles. Accurate and quick handling too. Fun gun but it tends to eat $20 bills like crazy....

ngh

myronman3 · « **Reply #72 on:** September 29, 2008, 03:12:12 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 28, 2008, 02:47:51 PM

You need to re-read the first post.

dont worry, i did. he asks for everyones opinion on them, not "opinion on them for deer hunting".

displaying your smug attitude and air of "i-know-it-all" has really shined a light on what kind of person you are. you are a right wing nutjob, every bit as bad as, and maybe even worse than, a left wing nut job. come to think of it, i do dislike right wing loonies more than the left wing loonies; because the right wing nutjobs turn off people to issues that are important to me.
more importantly, you are a quiter. you have effectively rolled over, died, given in, sold out, stabbed in the back, spit on, double crossed, might-as-well-burn the second amendment with your views, actions, and statements. i have no use for you, and i doubt i am alone. you have redendered yourself irrelevent. you just dont matter. you are just another sheeple.

dukkillr · « **Reply #73 on:** September 29, 2008, 03:33:42 AM »

Quote from: myronman3 on September 29, 2008, 03:12:12 AM

Quote from: Swampman on September 28, 2008, 02:47:51 PM
You need to re-read the first post.
come to think of it, i do dislike right wing loonies more than the left wing loonies; because the right wing nutjobs turn off people to issues that are important to me.

I've been saying this for quite some time. Those among us who don't understand how important image is don't understand the world they live in.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #74 on:** September 29, 2008, 03:44:28 AM »

Geez... Leave it to swampman to screw up yet another great thread... Swampman... I just read a post by you on friday that said "...after I buy food and pills you have nothing left to invest." What the hell did you do w/ that $30,000?

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I know a LOT of things I could invest in w/ $30,000... And not a single one involves the stock market...

And what cracks me up even more about you is that after SEVERAL people ask you to produce some accurate facts, or links about how the AR15 is screwing up hunting or the public image of hunting, you choose to ignore their request, insult them, and then act like your the only person on this forum who's opinion is right...

Why not just donate that $25-30k to the Brady Center? It would do just as well...

Swampman · « **Reply #75 on:** September 29, 2008, 03:50:47 AM »

Quote from: myronman3 on September 29, 2008, 03:12:12 AM

Quote from: Swampman on September 28, 2008, 02:47:51 PM
You need to reread the first post.
dont worry, i did. he asks for everyones opinion on them, not "opinion on them for deer hunting".

displaying your smug attitude and air of "i-know-it-all" has really shined a light on what kind of person you are. you are a right wing nutjob, every bit as bad as, and maybe even worse than, a left wing nut job. come to think of it, i do dislike right wing loonies more than the left wing loonies; because the right wing nutjobs turn off people to issues that are important to me.
more importantly, you are a quiter. you have effectively rolled over, died, given in, sold out, stabbed in the back, spit on, double crossed, might-as-well-burn the second amendment with your views, actions, and statements. i have no use for you, and i doubt i am alone. you have redendered yourself irrelevent. you just dont matter. you are just another sheeple.

I cheated, I read the last page of the book.

You clearly made low scores in compression. This isn't about the AR-15. It's about using military weapons for hunting.

I just want to be able to own guns and hunt as long as possible. The fact that I choose to do what's best for all rather than what's best for me should tell you something. Unlike you, I'm not a self centered narcissist. Your opinion is less important that the facts you want to ignore.

Swampman · « **Reply #76 on:** September 29, 2008, 03:53:09 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on September 29, 2008, 03:44:28 AM

Geez... Leave it to swampman to screw up yet another great thread... Swampman... I just read a post by you on friday that said "...after I buy food and pills you have nothing left to invest." What the hell did you do w/ that $30,000??

I know a LOT of things I could invest in w/ $30,000... And not a single one involves the stock market...

And what cracks me up even more about you is that after SEVERAL people ask you to produce some accurate facts, or links about how the AR15 is screwing up hunting or the public image of hunting, you choose to ignore their request, insult them, and then act like your the only person on this forum who's opinion is right...

Why not just donate that $25-30k to the Brady Center? It would do just as well...

I have no idea what this ramble is about. I am misquoted in the first part, and then it's talking about $30,000. I guess I missed something.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #77 on:** September 29, 2008, 04:41:08 AM »

Are you smoking crack Swampman?

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"You clearly made low scores in compression. This isn't about the AR-15. It's about using military weapons for hunting."

My answer to that post is:

Topic: AR15 whats your opinon?

As for misquoting the your post... Found in Second Amendment and Political Discussion

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"After I buy food and pay my bills, I have no money left to invest in anything. If I'm lucky, I'll get to work until I die."

Okay, I confused "pills" and "bills" My bad. So I have cut and pasted your actual quote in admitting my mistake...

Then again... found in this very discussion... posted by Swampman

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"This is the kind of response I expected. It's completely wrong headed, but it's what I expected. I didn't feel like losing $25,000-$30,000 dollars so I sold them. I still have an extensive collection of hunting guns, but I don't buy expensive stuff anymore."

Now unless I'm mistaken, if you did not feel like losing $25,000-$30,000 you would have sold them for that amount. Now if you sold your "extensive" paramilitary gun collection... what did you do w/ your $25,000-$30,000? And better yet... Why do you not have any money to invest in anything?

myronman3 · « **Reply #78 on:** September 29, 2008, 06:47:35 AM »

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I cheated, I read the last page of the book.

...yeah right. the word "tool" comes to mind; and a dull one at that.

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You clearly made low scores in compression. This isn't about the AR-15. It's about using military weapons for hunting.

where does it say that? you are making stuff up again.

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I just want to be able to own guns and hunt as long as possible. The fact that I choose to do what's best for all rather than what's best for me should tell you something.

i fail to see how your rolling over and selling out is helping that in any way. the only person you are kidding here is yourself.

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Unlike you, I'm not a self centered narcissist..

it sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

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Your opinion is less important that the facts you want to ignore

the only "facts" i am ignoring are the ones you are manufacturing. i am going to go talk to my stump now.....

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #79 on:** September 29, 2008, 07:41:02 AM »

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I just want to be able to own guns and hunt as long as possible. The fact that I choose to do what's best for all rather than what's best for me should tell you something.

That's the most conceited thing I believe I've EVER read on the internet. I tell you what buddy YOU worry about YOU. I'll decide what's best for me

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Unlike you, I'm not a self centered narcissist

LOL why don't you contradict your self in the same paragraph

I'm guessing you don't have many friends

I know you you're one of those bitter %^%^ self centered baby boomers whose had everything in life pretty much fall in their hand (gimmie generation) who thinks they know what's best for everyone else, and doesn't mind to destroy everyone else's way off life to prove that point.

Please retire and get out of our way, we'll fix the mess you've made of the country.

Swampman · « **Reply #80 on:** September 29, 2008, 07:54:54 AM »

You have the right to say what you like because of folks like myself. This country cannot be fixed period. I skipped to the last page of the book and I know how it ends.

I don't want any friends.

I've worked my ass off (and still am)for everything I have, and for what you have too.

ms · « **Reply #81 on:** September 29, 2008, 08:07:22 AM »

Quote from: powderman on September 27, 2008, 02:24:50 PM

I killed a deer with my mini 14, great little gun. A guy told me he was against assault rifles, I said what is that??? I said, you mean powerful, short, lt wt, quick to point??? He said yeah, thats it. I said, funny, thats what I call a good brush gun. POWDERMAN.

I agree.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #82 on:** September 29, 2008, 08:14:19 AM »

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I skipped to the last page of the book and I know how it ends.

problem is you didn't read any of the rest of the book so you have no idea what it was about

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This country cannot be fixed period.

Like I said, get out of the way and don't worry bout it. We'll fix it

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You have the right to say what you like because of folks like myself.

OH is your name on the bottom of the declaration of independence, Did you fight at Gettysburg, Amiens or Bastonge? I respect and cherish all our veterans but some of them really over use this cliché as if it puts them above being politically wrong or lets them intellectually bully people around for the rest of their lives.

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I don't want any friends.

Translation: You can't keep any friends

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I've worked my ass off (and still am)for everything I have, and for what you have too.

You haven't worked your ass off for ANYTHING currently I have, again quit trying to talk yourself up to being more important than you really are. May I suggest taking a long walk off a short pier. You sanctimonious .............

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #83 on:** September 29, 2008, 08:19:52 AM »

Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 10th. edition , (1975) any of various automatic and simiautomatic rifles designed for MILITARY use with large capacity magazines .

? , if you hunt with an AR-15 and use a 5 round mag. is it still an assault rifle ?
note nothing is said about color , attachment points , grip or stock .

I don't care for the AR platform ( had a Colt and another , both h-bars ) . But I think you can hunt with what you want . BUT why not be careful of the image we make for ourseves . Educate the un imformed not bash them . As shooters we have more to loose thru. attitude than we will ever gain .
So if you hunt where alot of public sees you maybe a 30 round mag. ain't the best choice , maybe if given the opertunity you can educate people as to why you only have a low capacity mag. and then it ain'e an assault rifle . LOOK IT UP !

I love my M1-A but hunt with it very little .

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #84 on:** September 29, 2008, 08:51:06 AM »

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"Please retire and get out of our way, we'll fix the mess you've made of the country."

You said it... I'm 24 and love to think of how long its going to take to pay off our debt and get this place in working order again... but i'm for DAMN sure not giving up. You wanna give up on it Swampman, head North to Canada, South to Mexico, East to Europe or West to Russia.

I believe Swampman is refering to the book of Revelations, to which Jesus returnes to take his followers home... I too read the book... It doesn't say lay down and let everything turn to S#&T until the lord comes back.

Swampman, your in the situation you are because of poor planning and your dependency on others to take care of you.

Lets please get this thread back on track... If its not too late (swamp)... the discussion is on the AR15 and your opinions of it.

Mike Britton · « **Reply #85 on:** September 29, 2008, 09:03:27 AM »

Quote from: Old Syko on September 27, 2008, 02:19:52 AM

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police themselves

You can't be serious? You've chosen to interpret this to mean the anits are right and you've given up. You gave up and joined the opposition when you sold off your "extensive paramilitary collection." I once quit a job because the libtards who owned the company decided not to allow anyone to carry on company premises so tell me, which of us will be responsible if our rights are eliminated. Please note I said if not when. I state it this way because I've read the 2nd amendment and understand what it says. There is no mention of "keep and bear arms" as long is they're percieved under a certain light.

YESSIR!!!!!!!!!

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #86 on:** September 29, 2008, 09:15:38 AM »

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Lets please get this thread back on track... If its not too late (swamp)... the discussion is on the AR15 and your opinions of it.

The trend is defiantly moving way from bolties to AR variants as the quintessential American hunting platform. Much like the transition from lever guns to boltguns that took place after WWII. In the future it'll become more and more common to see a ar variant in the treestand or blind.

For me the platform offers much more versalitility than any others. For me I wanted a rifle with sufficient power to hunt with but offered the ability to swap between excellent match quality iron sights and a scope without re zeroing. In my case the flat top ar was the ONLY sensible option

45-70.gov · « **Reply #87 on:** September 29, 2008, 10:30:50 AM »

freedom is not free,,,,,,if i exercise my freedom to hunt with an AR and the want to fight me over it....so be it ... but they banned cocaine and Maryanna because they did not want you to have it now all the criminals turn a good profit from it but they never stopped it.....i am not going to work my life around not upsetting anyone.......if they ban my AR then i will splash game with my single shot.......50BMG [next you going to say my stainless looks bad or handgun hunting]

FourBee · « **Reply #88 on:** September 29, 2008, 11:27:36 AM »

Quote from: krochus on September 29, 2008, 09:15:38 AM

The trend is defiantly moving way from bolties to AR variants as the quintessential American hunting platform.

yeah, right on; - quite - quietesssssssssss-quin- wha- what is that? what you said?

J U S T K I D D I N G

Cheesehead · « **Reply #89 on:** September 29, 2008, 01:15:32 PM »

I studied long and hard to come up with the perfect combination of size, over all length, weight with a medium caliber of medium power best suited for white tail at 20- 200 yards.

This is it, in my opinion of course. An M4 configuration of a Bushmaster in 6.8 SPC. The pic shows a 27 round magazine. I use a ten round mag to make it more compact, not to please any onlookers.

I bought the gun last year and am looking forward to taking several deer with it. In Wisconsin, where I live and hunt there is no restriction on capacity or gun type, so I will exercise my right to use this rifle, with out fear of upsetting some thin skinned, spineless #*&*. There are not many of those people where I hunt anyway, they would probably be offended by my truck and knife and flannel shirt and hat and.........