AR15 whats your opinon?

[nomosendero]

I agree!  That's not what this is about.

What is legal, isn't always ethical.  Is it ethical to harvest more than you can use even if it's legal? Not IMO.

You have the right to be a game hog.  Does that make being a game hog right?

This is all about doing what is best for the our hunting heritage.

You are trying to squirm your way off course. There is NOTHING unethical about hunting with an AR &
you can be a game hog with a single shot. The weapon has no relevance in that. I know a "game hog" that uses a bow & has in the past killed way more Deer than he could use or eat with his compound.

How about my earlier question Swampman, do you think us handgunners should sell our handguns because alot
of the same folks who "feel" AR's should not be used for hunting "feel" the same for handguns. Is that another area where you feel we should cave & if not, why is it different? BTW, this is on subject because it refers to type of weapon/image.

[R.W.Dale]

Mr Fudd is alive and well

[Old Syko]

Swampman is alive and well

He may be alive but he's far from well.  At least old Elmer wasn't a quitter.

[Swampman]

Why would I squirm?  I've done the right thing.  I don't have anything to feel guilty about.

there is unethical about hunting with an AR

There is nothing ethical about hunting with an AR.  It's bad for the sport.

do you think us handgunners should sell our handguns because alot of the same folks who "feel" AR's should not be used for hunting "feel" the same for handguns.

Unlike the AR, some handguns were designed for hunting.  Do I think a Glock 17 should be used for hunting?  No I don't.

I sold my semi-autos because I didn't need them to hunt with nor for self defense.  When the government takes them (and they will take them), I'll still have the money that was tied up in them.  You on the other hand will wet your pants and hand your's over.

[R.W.Dale]

Unlike the AR, some handguns were designed for hunting.  Do I think a Glock 17 should be used for hunting?  No I don't.

I sold my semi-autos because I didn't need them to hunt with nor for self defense.  When the government takes them (and they will take them), I'll still have the money that was tied up in them.  You on the other hand will wet your pants and hand your's over.

I guess you'll be shocked to find out that bolt actions weren't originally "designed" with hunting in mind. In fact mankind developed  projectile firearms with one thing in mind.... KILLING HIS FELLOW MAN!

So what's the deal? It's only OK to kill deer with hardware that's antiquated by military standards......What a bunch of BS. There's absolutely no way you can intellectually defend your argument otherwise. But for you it's all about feeling good, logical thinking has NOTHING do do with it.

 For gods sake ,Think of the children

You know cemetery's across this country are full of old dead guys who absolutely knew they'd live to see gun confiscation, but hey go ahead and live your final few years locked up in your own smug and miserable little world, It won't hurt my feelings one bit.....

 Like I said previously I'm more worried about getting hit by a falling satellite than I am the imminent gun grab

 But that 's not what this is really about is it swampman? Just admit real agenda is that you're a closet case self denying liberal, state knows best, 1960's revolutinary leftover who just happens to enjoy hunting, but doesn't want to be viewed as being too conservative by your leftest peers.

 You probably have a grey ponytail and wear tie dye.

[Swampman]

"Like I said previously I'm more worried about getting hit by a falling satellite than I am the imminent gun grab"

That's why we'll lose them all.  Folks like you that think it won't happen and won't vote to keep it from happening.  It will happen, and it will happen very soon.

But like other countries, we'll be allowed to keep single shots, bolt actions, and similar firearms for awhile.  I don't think handguns will make the cut.  I kept 2 revolvers that I have sentmental reason to keep.  Those will be gone too when the government wants them.

1 Thessalonians 5:22

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Nothing else left to say on the subject......good day sirs.

[Cheesehead]

So when the people from PETA watch swampman shoot a deer with his 3006 bolt rifle they will say? mmmmmmmmmmm swampman is more ethical than many other hunters and seeks our approval? and gets our approval?

I am trying to understand Swampman but its not working.

Cheese

[R.W.Dale]

That's why we'll lose them all.  Folks like you that think it won't happen and won't vote to keep it from happening.  It will happen, and it will happen very soon.

No unlike you I've kept a breast of and worked towards 2A developments of the past decade whilst you're stuck in a  1992 roll over and take me last mindset

CCW for most states in the union, Passed

Heller case, WON

Assault weapons ban, Gone

Supreme court on our right to own a gun,  Affirmed

political will to push for more gun control, Broken

Brady campane, Bankrupt

public opinion, On our side

What a losing streak

you're problem is you just want something to whine about.

Nothing else left to say on the subject......good day sirs

We can only hope....we can only hope

[Old Syko]

Swampman one of these days when you're sitting on the river bank with your Grandson and your registered rod and reel and all those registered hooks trying to get him to understand your hunting stories make sure he also understands why he had to be neutered at birth.  Help him to understand why his grandfather chose self mutilation instead.  As has been stated before.  All different firearms were developed with the elimination of our fellow man in mind.  Some chose to also use them to aid in feeding themselves and others.  To support a secondary use and not the primary is pure insanity.  The people who would attempt to control us don't know the difference between an AR and a front stuffer.  The main thing they understand is that as long as we own and use firearms of any kind they cannot gain the control they desire.  The main reason the second amendment is even there, is that the men of the times were intelligent enough to understand that without it the rest was nothing but a waste of their time.

Support our rights!  Buy an AR and hunt with it, shoot paper or use it for self defense, but don't spit in the face of all that have come before us and fought for our rights by rolling over and playing dead out of ignorance in an attempt to worship the almighty dollar.

[Swampman]

Support our rights!

Few have (or will) more than me.  I don't want an AR.  I want to do the right thing.  It's called ethics.

As far as I can tell, not one single person here (besides me) has grasp what this thread is about.

[R.W.Dale]

Support our rights!

Few have (or will) more than me.  I don't want an AR.  I want to do the right thing.  It's called ethics.

As far as I can tell, not one single person here (besides me) has grasp what this thread is about.

OK what have YOU done?

Back so soon! Didn't take you long to contradict yourself yet AGAIN

Nothing else left to say on the subject......good day sirs

Run along and play in the kitchen with the other women folk us MEN will debate the finer points of AR's

BTW I don't expect an answer to the above question just like you haven't answered any other questions posed to you. You'll just disappear for a couple days and come back when some new posters who you believe you can bully round find this thread

[Swampman]

I try to ignore this thread but it's like watching Jerry Springer.  It's hard not to respond to the sophomoric rhetoric, but I'm trying.  Most of it actually makes me LOL.  Do your parents know you're still up?

[R.W.Dale]

I try to ignore this thread but it's like watching Jerry Springer.  It's hard not to respond to the sophomoric rhetoric, but I'm trying.  Most of it actually makes me LOL.  Do your parents know you're still up?

You mean you cannot stand to not get the last word in.

It ain't gonna work this time. Just answer the %^*( question

Do your parents know you're still up?

When do they turn out the lights at your retirement home

It's hard not to respond to the sophomoric rhetoric, but I'm trying.

This is at least the 2nd or 3rd time you've used this tired line after being confronted with those pesky FACTS

[Hooker]

1 Thessalonians 5:22

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Nothing else left to say on the subject......good day sirs.

Swampman  nice try but no cigar.
The Good and Evil referred to in those verses are not those that man perceives but that God perceives. Man has always try to replace one with the other according to his own desires.
Other than that I support your convictions on this, even though I don't agree with you.

Pat

[jmayton]

Unlike the AR, some handguns were designed for hunting.  Do I think a Glock 17 should be used for hunting?  No I don't.

Crap, I just got back from hunting hogs with my AR and my Glock.  I'm going to hell...I know it.

[nomosendero]

Why would I squirm?  I've done the right thing.  I don't have anything to feel guilty about.

there is unethical about hunting with an AR

There is nothing ethical about hunting with an AR.  It's bad for the sport.

do you think us handgunners should sell our handguns because alot of the same folks who "feel" AR's should not be used for hunting "feel" the same for handguns.

Unlike the AR, some handguns were designed for hunting.  Do I think a Glock 17 should be used for hunting?  No I don't.

I sold my semi-autos because I didn't need them to hunt with nor for self defense.  When the government takes them (and they will take them), I'll still have the money that was tied up in them.  You on the other hand will wet your pants and hand your's over.

O My!!  "There is NOTHING ethical about hunting with an AR"  
If you had the intellect, I would ask you to explain how hunting with an AR is unethical. That is a hyper stupid remark.
How exactly would that be?

"some handguns were designed for hunting" Oh, I see, like Enfields were designed for War, but used for hunting, oh, OK "Do I think a Glock 17 should be used for hunting? No I Don't." And of course we know that to these pencil necks you don't want to offend would not know a Glock 17 from a Glock 10mm, a good hunting handgun. The "image"
would be the same. How bout a Match Grade 45 Auto. They would convey the same "image" to your anti-gun
buddies you are trying to offend, yet anyone who knows the 45 & the best loads would have zero problems harvesting a Deer at 20 yards, as they could with a bow.

So once again your logic falls flat on it's face, & you still cannot illustrate how your caveing has helped the sport in
ANY conceivable way. Basically, if you want to be a suck, be one.  

[AtlLaw]

You probably have a grey ponytail ...

      You been talkin to my wife boy!?  She don't like my (grey) ponytail either... So, it means I'm an old hippy...     Hummmmm, and here I thought it was a biker thing....     

... and wear tie dye.

what the heck is tie dye!?

[R.W.Dale]

Hummmmm, and here I thought it was a biker thing...

I don't know, for me grey ponytails have much more of a old bitter washed up hippy college professor vibe. Think George Carlin. In much the same way the mullet conjures up images of 20 something Camaro drivin white highschool dropouts. 

What's tie dye??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie-dye

[Brett]

Huh?  What does the choice of ones hunting tool, be it single shot rifle, semi-automatic rifle, compound bow, or spear for that matter have to do with ethics?   Ethics is about how the tool is used not which tool is used.  Is using a cover sent to mask human oder ethical?  What about sent baits or attractants?   What about camouflage for that matter?  We could take this argument all the way back too buckskins and muskets if you wanted to.   

[AtlLaw]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie-dye

Well darn!     Learn sumpin every day!   

'course all through the '60's Uncle Sam decided what I would wear... 

[R.W.Dale]

Huh?  What does the choice of ones hunting tool, be it single shot rifle, semi-automatic rifle, compound bow, or spear for that matter have to do with ethics?   Ethics is about how the tool is used not which tool is used.  Is using a cover sent to mask human oder ethical?  What about sent baits or attractants?   What about camouflage for that matter?  We could take this argument all the way back too buckskins and muskets if you wanted to.   

LOL I do agree up to a point. However I do believe that the usage of thermonuclear weapons to deer hunt with should be universally frowned apoun and all in all is "bad for the sport" and "our hunting heritage"

[DalesCarpentry]

Huh?  What does the choice of ones hunting tool, be it single shot rifle, semi-automatic rifle, compound bow, or spear for that matter have to do with ethics?   Ethics is about how the tool is used not which tool is used.  Is using a cover sent to mask human oder ethical?  What about sent baits or attractants?   What about camouflage for that matter?  We could take this argument all the way back too buckskins and muskets if you wanted to.   

LOL I do agree up to a point. However I do believe that the usage of thermonuclear weapons to deer hunt with should be universally frowned apoun and all in all is "bad for the sport" and "our hunting heritage"

+1 on that one. Dale

[Brett]

LOL I do agree up to a point. However I do believe that the usage of thermonuclear weapons to deer hunt with should be universally frowned apoun and all in all is "bad for the sport" and "our hunting heritage"

Why rule out small scale thermonuclear devices?  Just think you could harvest and cook your game all in one easy time saving step.   I can see the infomercial now.  "Order the Deer Hunter's Cook-O-Matic  today for three easy payments of only $19.99.   But wait, there's more!  If you call and place your order within the next 10 minutes we will include a seasons supply of iodine tablets and a set of Ginsu steak knives absolutely free ($15 dollars additional shipping and handling charges will be added to your bill). Operators are waiting. 

[AtlLaw]

We could take this argument all the way back too buckskins and muskets if you wanted to.   

Ah HA!!  Finally!  A discussion that krochus may think I can contribute to!   
Gotta go, they fixin to turn out the lights here at the home... 

[mirage1988]

Offered my BAR 7 mm/mag for sale a while back- no offers. Went to the range today-last chance for her-150 grain fusions?-seriously-cloverleafs with a bar? I think Im keepin this one OSAMA

[Mike Britton]

Unlike the AR, some handguns were designed for hunting.  Do I think a Glock 17 should be used for hunting?  No I don't.

I sold my semi-autos because I didn't need them to hunt with nor for self defense.  When the government takes them (and they will take them), I'll still have the money that was tied up in them.  You on the other hand will wet your pants and hand your's over.

I guess you'll be shocked to find out that bolt actions weren't originally "designed" with hunting in mind. In fact mankind developed  projectile firearms with one thing in mind.... KILLING HIS FELLOW MAN!

So what's the deal? It's only OK to kill deer with hardware that's antiquated by military standards......What a bunch of BS. There's absolutely no way you can intellectually defend your argument otherwise. But for you it's all about feeling good, logical thinking has NOTHING do do with it.

 For gods sake ,Think of the children

You know cemetery's across this country are full of old dead guys who absolutely knew they'd live to see gun confiscation, but hey go ahead and live your final few years locked up in your own smug and miserable little world, It won't hurt my feelings one bit.....

 Like I said previously I'm more worried about getting hit by a falling satellite than I am the imminent gun grab

 But that 's not what this is really about is it swampman? Just admit real agenda is that you're a closet case self denying liberal, state knows best, 1960's revolutinary leftover who just happens to enjoy hunting, but doesn't want to be viewed as being too conservative by your leftest peers.

 You probably have a grey ponytail and wear tie dye.

HEY!!! Watch out with that grey pony tail and tie dye stuff!!!

[Mike Britton]

You probably have a grey ponytail ...

      You been talkin to my wife boy!?  She don't like my (grey) ponytail either... So, it means I'm an old hippy...     Hummmmm, and here I thought it was a biker thing....     

... and wear tie dye.

what the heck is tie dye!?

I guess we must have missed that memo.........

[Mike Britton]

Huh?  What does the choice of ones hunting tool, be it single shot rifle, semi-automatic rifle, compound bow, or spear for that matter have to do with ethics?   Ethics is about how the tool is used not which tool is used.  Is using a cover sent to mask human oder ethical?  What about sent baits or attractants?   What about camouflage for that matter?  We could take this argument all the way back too buckskins and muskets if you wanted to.   

LOL I do agree up to a point. However I do believe that the usage of thermonuclear weapons to deer hunt with should be universally frowned apoun and all in all is "bad for the sport" and "our hunting heritage"

Wow!! You could killem' and cookem' all at the same time!!!

[myronman3]

i tired of swampmans ignorance a while ago, and opted to talk reasonably and intelligently to the stump in my yard.   i have made more progress than you guys have with swampy.   you can all come over and debate with the stump, it seems to enjoy it and actually articulates itself better,  has better information, and a much better grasp on scripture than swampy.  and, conversing with the stump yeilds more progress. 
   

[Mike Britton]

So.....You might say that talking to the stump really gets to the root of the problem?