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Offline stevev

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T/C black mtn 12ga
« on: September 26, 2008, 12:57:48 PM »
I picked up a T/C black mtn 12 ga a few years back for turkeys. It is threaded for chokes. I got rid of the xfull that came with it and put in a cyl bore and that throws a good pattern for turkey and small game. Has anyone shot a patched round ball out of one? I have a place that I deer hunt where the brush is thick and thought that a .72 cal round ball might work good.

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Re: T/C black mtn 12ga
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 05:21:19 AM »
Not that particular gun but I have shot quite a few balls from 12 ga. muzzleloaders. I have an old Lyman mold for a .648" ball, originally purchased for a 16 ga. trade gun. Loading that .648" ball inside a 12 ga. plastic shotcup atop 80 grains of 2f and a hard card over powder wad I have gotten fist size groups of five shots at 50 yards from several different 12 ga. guns. That is pretty good for a shotgun with no rear sight and is actually the best accuracy I've ever gotten from any smoothbore muzzleloader.
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Re: T/C black mtn 12ga
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2008, 05:56:48 AM »
No reason you couldn't do what CJ has said, but you could also simply patch that round ball.  I would advise you to mic your bore out to get an idea for your true size patch/ball combo.

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Re: T/C black mtn 12ga
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 07:47:44 AM »
Cloth patched roundball is by far the most common load in smoothbores but for whatever reason I've just never gotten the accuracy with a patch that I got with the ball in a shotcup. I've owned smoothbores of .50, .54,. 56, .62 and .66 calibers as well as several 12 gauges. I've tried patched balls in all of them and none grouped so tight as the .648 ball in a shotcup and that load shot well in every 12 gauge gun I've ever tried, including factory choked double barrels. I generally loaded 3-3 1/2 drams of powder, two over powder cards and 1-1 1/4 ounces of shot and a thin overshot card. If I had occasion to change loads in the field I could just run the small end of the ramrod down to tip the overshot card, pour out the shot and seat the shotcup and ball atop the normal powder and wads. That can prove handy if one should encounter a deer while small game hunting. Yes you certainly can substitute a cloth patch for the plastic shotcup, I just never got such good results from a cloth patch, so far, but I'll keep trying.
 I might add that I never use plastic shotcups with birdshot, just hard card wads, and when I have shot test patterns with them I have never found any advantage, certainly not the 20% improvement as claimed by many gun magazine writers.
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Re: T/C black mtn 12ga
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008, 02:43:46 PM »
Thanks for the help, guess now I need to load it up and shoot it to see how it shoots.