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Offline grvj

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Light Rifle shots high - in field
« on: September 30, 2008, 09:25:31 AM »
I have 3 Steyrs that shoot well from the bench, a 30.06 Professional, a 7x57 Mauser Luxus and a 6mm Remington L model, all 1" - 1 1/2" capable. I have taken hogs with the 7mm and 30.06 sitting or standing on the first shot. Fully loaded the .06 and 7x57 weigh 8.5 lbs, the 6mm about 7lbs+. All have 24" barrels though the 6mm is a lighter contour and action is smaller/lighter.

What I find confounding is that I shoot the 6mm high over game consistently on the first shot-maybe two. It is not a loose stock or scope mount. I practice ahead of the hunt hitting a 6" target at 100 yards 9 out of 10 shots - standing. I know it's not the gun but what I do or how I shoulder it when acquiring my target and pull trigger in field conditions.

Once with the 7x57, I came across a couple of walking hogs 80 yards out who picked up the pace when they got my scent. I watched them both while shouldering the gun, acquired the front one and shot, hitting right behind the shoulder. This was essentially a snap-shot but hit where I aimed.

I find the Professional with it's plastic stock, full forearm the easiest to hold stead - it's just ugly. With a 1.5x6 scope it is beefy and lays steady in hand. The 7x57 is also easy to shoot, equipped with a 1.25 x 4.5 scope, has a slimer stock but the weight makes it settle well. The 6mm has a 3x9 standard reticle and slimmer stock than either. All have similar cheekpiece dimensions/lop.

My question to all: Is there an aspect light rifles cause what I describe? ...lack of practice? ... bullet characteristic? ...light muzzle/overall weight?

I am more interested in field hits than bench accuracy and need to understand what happens in general between medium and light rifles in hunt environments.

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Re: Light Rifle shots high - in field
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2008, 11:09:10 AM »
Sounds like the shooter if the rifle shoots well from the bench.

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Re: Light Rifle shots high - in field
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2008, 01:49:13 PM »
...am sure it is the shooter (me). Since I shoot two larger caliber, heavier rifles acceptably, I'm looking for observations/experience from the forum on light rifles / characteristics. Thanks for the quick reply

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Re: Light Rifle shots high - in field
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2008, 02:04:53 PM »
I have a sporter weight barreled Savage 10 in 17 Remington.  The hold at the forearm makes a lot of difference on that one, on the bags pulling the front down into the bag or raising the rear make a lot of difference in where the bullet hits the target even though the POA is the same, so whether you are resting it on your hand or gripping it changes things if there is not much weight to even things out.  Larry
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Re: Light Rifle shots high - in field
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2008, 10:48:21 AM »
Is the barrel floated? Perhaps on the bench the weight of the rifle transfers to the barrel and if your off hand shooting in the field, that weight isn't present. This could have a significant impact on POI. Try shooting it at the range the same way you shoot in the field.
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Re: Light Rifle shots high - in field
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2008, 11:01:24 AM »
Where does the first shot from a cold, clean barrel hit?

Once a barrel heats up and fouls, the point of impact may change from that first shot, which is the one you're shooting at game. This would be especially true of a thin, light barrel.

If you're sighting in a warm, fouled barrel in August, when it's 90 out, the point of impact from a cold, clean barrel in November when it's 40 may be quite different. Shooting from the bench and shooting offhand may also make a difference.

It's also going to depend on the individual gun.

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Re: Light Rifle shots high - in field
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2008, 10:18:22 AM »
...the barrel is fully floated from the action all the way down a narrow stock. There are no forend screws to secure, only the typical 2 action screws, one on each side of the trigger group.

Cold 1st shot after cleaning is 1/2" high. The next subsequent 20 shots are in an inch while laying on a shooting support with a sandbag front and rear. Usually I grip the fore checkering and pull back against my shoulder on the bench.

Stock hold in the field could be a cause though the barrel is not a super-slim contour, it is not a fatty either. Combined with a slender stock, I may be wrapping my fingers over the barrel - that's a thought.

I will go to the range in a few days to check my off-hand hold - thanks for the replies!