Author Topic: If you weren't scared before....Soldiers to police citizens!!!! (Read 2002 times)

Heather · « **on:** September 30, 2008, 11:48:37 AM »

Well Martial Law has been declared and here is step one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxTzDFofZQ&feature=related

EDIT: Only Congressional Martial Law has been declared! National Martial Law hasn't been declared YET! Sorry for the confusion folks!

Heather

myronman3 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2008, 12:15:22 PM »

i think it is a bit of a stretch to say that just yet. although i do agree that i dont like it one bit and am against it from the get-go as it is such a short step to martial law.

Heather · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2008, 12:19:31 PM »

Did you watch the video? She plainly states that beginning October 1st the army is stationing a unit inside the United States. They will be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control.

Heather

jgalar · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2008, 12:22:59 PM »

Hey, its on the internet, it must be true

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2008, 01:28:30 PM »

Heather. I'm on S L O W dialup, so I make no attempt to access videos or utube. What is it??? POWDERMAN.

Heather · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2008, 02:01:11 PM »

MS has already posted in this thread pretty much the same thing, just not the video.

Read the post by MS
Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

billy_56081 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2008, 02:05:46 PM »

I bet we have members here in thr 3rd ID right here at Graybeards. Let em speak away. I'm kinda still of the opinion that just cuz it says so on the web don't make it true.

myronman3 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2008, 02:37:13 PM »

oh it is true. and it has been done before. hurricane andrew, katrina, and other various exploits. the only thing that is different is that there is going to be a unit on standby for this specific duty should the need arise. i still dont like it.

powderman · « **Reply #8 on:** September 30, 2008, 03:21:35 PM »

Heather. Thanks for the reply, but I don't read anything from ms or tm7. I'd put em on ignore but I don't know how. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2008, 03:54:50 PM »

POwderman the video is from some obscure web blog that some person is making calims of martial law goin to be imposed tomorrow, Oct, 1 2008. I guess We'll know the truth in the AM but I aint losin no sleep over it.

Matt · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2008, 05:50:56 PM »

Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations

Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent thirty-five of the last sixty months in Iraq, but now the unit is training for domestic operations. The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.

Source: DemocracyNow.org and they are not just some obscure web blog they are a fairly large organization. Also I did not find anywhere that DN said martial law was coming Oct 1 they simply repeated what the Army Times reported... well it is about the Army and the info is coming from the Army... hmmm maybe it's just me but it seems reliable enough...

Fear not national martial law is coming soon enough.

Matt

nw_hunter · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2008, 07:05:34 PM »

Quote from: jgalar on September 30, 2008, 12:22:59 PM

Hey, its on the internet, it must be true

GIVE ME A BREAK! It's in The Army times!!!!!

Mikey · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2008, 01:26:41 AM »

How can you be scared when you know where they are going to be. Fer Christmas sakes, it's like wearing a sign that says 'Shoot me here'.

You know where they are going to be, you know where they keep their guns, ammo and food. What more do you want, a key to the lock on the gates? Isn't that what the front end of a pick up or dump truck is for, or if you prefer, bolt cutters?

? Sheesh, they probably have a map to the place posted on the front gate - X marks the Commandant's Office, Motor Pool, Mess Hall, Ammo Storage...........

For goodness sake, with this type of intell and any sort of foreknowledge of a catastrophic event (like 'the hurricane is coming' folks), a small determined force could keep them pinned down in their rabbit holes. IMHO.

Think about this strategically. This ain't the green zone and even if it was a small force could still keep them pinned down or holed up

gypsyman · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2008, 02:19:48 AM »

Are you sure that the women in the video isn't TM's sister?? gypsyman

oldandslow · « **Reply #14 on:** October 01, 2008, 02:37:15 AM »

We have been using the National Guard for this very purpose for years and years. Remember the four students killed at Kent State by the Ohio National Guard while demonstrating against the Vietnam War. Perhaps if they had been better trained full time soldiers things would have been brought under control without anyone being killed.

Heather · « **Reply #15 on:** October 01, 2008, 03:45:15 AM »

Quote from: oldandslow on October 01, 2008, 02:37:15 AM

We have been using the National Guard for this very purpose for years and years. Remember the four students killed at Kent State by the Ohio National Guard while demonstrating against the Vietnam War. Perhaps if they had been better trained full time soldiers things would have been brought under control without anyone being killed.

I pray that the said purposes laid out are the only ones on the adgenda for the troops inside our borders. I just don't see it being that easy. If congress doesn't pass the bail out soon, IMO we will see national Martial law. If congress does pass it, IMO we will see mass rioting in the streets. Either way I think our country has came to a time when things are gonna get real ugly. I hope all of you skeptics are right, I pray you are right. This is one time I REALLY want to be wrong. I just don't see it that way.

Heather

jgalar · « **Reply #16 on:** October 01, 2008, 03:59:31 AM »

You have to remember that we have had devastating storms hitting the Gulf coast. DHS has been sending officers, agents, inspectors, accountants, administrators - just about anyone who can draw breath to the areas. Many are flown down on their days off then flown back to go on their normal duties. Sorry to disappoint, but handing out food/water, looking for and assisting with the injured, and general logistic support is what is being performed. Personally I will look forward to the military lending a hand.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #17 on:** October 01, 2008, 04:46:39 AM »

I myself think the title of the post, and the subject matter of the first post by heather are very misleading to the information provided by the youtube link...

1st - Where are your facts saying that Martial Law has been declared?

2nd- How do you back up your claim that "Soldiers are going to police citizens?"

Heather · « **Reply #18 on:** October 01, 2008, 04:59:55 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on October 01, 2008, 04:46:39 AM

I myself think the title of the post, and the subject matter of the first post by heather are very misleading to the information provided by the youtube link...

1st - Where are your facts saying that Martial Law has been declared?

2nd- How do you back up your claim that "Soldiers are going to police citizens?"

First of all let me say that I now know that Nancy Pelosi declaring Congressional Martial Law is not the same as National Martial Law, and I apologize if I mislead anyone. In the video she plainly states that beginning October 1st the army is stationing a unit inside the United States. They will be called upon to help with CIVIL UNREST AND CROWD CONTROL. If that is not policing citizens what is? If you have problems with the validity of the video check out the Army Times.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #19 on:** October 01, 2008, 05:19:30 AM »

No I didn't have a problem w/ the video being valid.

Why is it a bad thing to have an army unit stationed back at home for a change?

Police the citizens? What are the police for?

myronman3 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 01, 2008, 05:19:56 AM »

while she may be getting a little ahead, what heather is afraid of isnt impossible. actually, it is a VERY short step from what it is intended for now, to what it could become so fast your head will spin. i think the government knows bad times are coming, and are gearing up for it.
but like mikey illustrated, if they cant control the green zone, how in the hell are they going to control us here? they cant. simple. all it takes is a small group of determined people of average smarts to fight a guerilla war. we used to take on infantry companies as a fire team (4 of us) using guerilla tactics and we would eat them up time after time.
still, i would rather have it quashed before it ever has a chance to get that far. this is definately something we all should be concerned about.

myronman3 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 01, 2008, 05:21:55 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on October 01, 2008, 05:19:30 AM

Why is it a bad thing to have an army unit stationed back at home for a change?

Police the citizens? What are the police for?

for starters, it is illegal for the government to use the military against the population. and for good reason.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #22 on:** October 01, 2008, 05:26:58 AM »

Quote

"for starters, it is illegal for the government to use the military against the population. and for good reason."

That's not the question I asked. I asked "Why is it a bad thing to have an Army unit stationed back home for a change?"

Heather · « **Reply #23 on:** October 01, 2008, 05:27:58 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on October 01, 2008, 05:19:30 AM

No I didn't have a problem w/ the video being valid.

Why is it a bad thing to have an army unit stationed back at home for a change?

Police the citizens? What are the police for?

If soldiers were coming home to protect our borders it would be a great think, but there not. They are coming home to keep us citizens in line and make sure we follow orders like good little sheep. I am so sorry that me using the word policing made you think i was actually talking about police. Where I come from the term is often used to express that someone(anyone doesn't have to be a policeman, hey it could even be a soldier) is going to be telling someone else (in this case I specifically mean American citizens) what they can and can't do.

Heather

myronman3 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 01, 2008, 05:30:37 AM »

again heather is right on. it isnt that they are home, it is their stated mission that you should focus on. being home is nothing new. where do you think we keep them when there isnt a war going on?

Matt · « **Reply #25 on:** October 01, 2008, 05:30:47 AM »

Quote from: myronman3 on October 01, 2008, 05:21:55 AM

Quote from: Singleshotsam on October 01, 2008, 05:19:30 AM
Why is it a bad thing to have an army unit stationed back at home for a change?

Police the citizens? What are the police for?
for starters, it is illegal for the government to use the military against the population. and for good reason.

Glad someone still remembers the constitution...

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #26 on:** October 01, 2008, 06:01:32 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Where is this in the constitution?

Heather · « **Reply #27 on:** October 01, 2008, 06:08:17 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on October 01, 2008, 06:01:32 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Where is this in the constitution?

Martial Law makes the Posse Comitatus Act null and void. It's a good thing we aren't under Martial Law YET.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #28 on:** October 01, 2008, 06:17:12 AM »

Well, yeah... I gather that... Mine was actually an honest question directed towards Matt as to show where in the Constitution it is posted...

Heather · « **Reply #29 on:** October 01, 2008, 06:44:23 AM »

SSS,
The original Posse Comitatus was a rider to an appropriations bill, Chapter 263, Section 15, approved on June 18, 1878.
I may not be Matt, but I don't think he will mind.

Heather