wolves relisted

[wipartimer]

 >:(I see in the state journal today that the h.s.u.s. got wolves put back on the endangered species list. I wonder if they know that this is probably the worst thing they could have done to "protect" wolves.

[Cheesehead]

They are especially endangered when I see them.

Cheese

[wipartimer]

sss

[wi-deerhunter]

I'm glad that wolves are protected I believe wolves are most important role in northern Wi.

[wipartimer]

just curious, do you live in northern Wisconsin?

[wi-deerhunter]

Yes, I live in Medford, WI.

[wi-deerhunter]

Deer numbers are pretty high and beavers popluation exploded they're chewing up the forest what I've seen on my land I noticed that many of young firs are gone and lot of hardwoods are down and creek are flooding destroyed trout habitats. Wolves are only animal that will eat beavers and able to control deer herd. We need forest and we need wolves! That's why I'm glad that wolves are protected!

[wipartimer]

I guess I'm just disappointed. I had looked forward to maybe someday being able to legally trap a wolf in Wisconsin. Also VERY disappointed that groups like the humane society of the Untied States have the power to dictate wildlife management . As far as beavers- coyotes and bears also prey on beaver, but none of the three are successful enough to be considered for population control. If the beavers are on your land, you can shoot them or find a trapper (far and away the most successful way to get rid of them.) 
 wi-deerhunter, I asked if you live in N. WI. because I feel that people that actually live in an area should have a greater say in what happens to the environment there than those that don't. Hence- even though I once saw wolf tracks on my land, I don't live there and have to deal with them on a daily basis so my opinion counts less than yours or cheeseheads or anyone else from "up north". You are however, one of the very few people that I have talked to from  north that doesn't want any regulated control of them .

[ihookem]

 The only good thing about wolves is they eat beaver and kill coyotes.  I have been told a wolfs diet is 50% beaver. I have not seen a decline in the beaver population but sure have seen the deer numbers go down to almost nothing when they are in the area. I don't live in northern Wisconsin neither, i own a piece of land on the South Fork Flambeau River and the beaver are cutting down an awfull lot of trees. Popple and ash like crazy. I tried to shoot one with my .243 a few weeks ago but it's tough to shoot the head when it's swimming. We still hear wolves at night so they are there, but so are too many beavers and very few deer. The HSUS could not care less about a balance as long as they win. I will be the first to predict a lot of wolves shot this fall out of spite of this ruling and will do more damage to the little trust most of us have in our idiot liberal wildlife policies. I talked to another guy down the road that spends a lot of time near Hiles, north of Crandon. He went on to say there is a deer every 7 square miles, a bear every 5 and a wolf every 2. Sure he is kidding but went on to say he used to go in the woods and see a few deer a day. Now that that the wolves came in it really is sad to see what has happened to the deer hunting that used to be there. I have heard so many stories like this I don't even listen to them anymore. Be very carefull before you support the wolf lovers  in this state because no matter how many there are the "studies" will always show a fraction of the true numbers.

[Skunk]

I'm afraid that Wolves are going to eat too many Elk. Wolves and Black Bear are the biggest predators of Elk, but the Black Bear usually only prey on the Elk calves. The Wolves on the other hand go after the adult Elk in addition to the calves. I can live with Wolves up here in the North, but I sure don't want the Wolf population to get out of control.

[379 Peterbilt]

  The HSUS could not care less about a balance as long as they win.

You nailed it brother

HSUS (and PETA) operate strictly off of an emotional sided touchy/feely mantra, as opposed to one based with sound historical and proven biological practices.

I believe the reasons for HSUS crusade in making wolves their personal posterchild are twofold. 1) wolves are "cute" ie; more sellable to the typical suburban housewife. 2) The more "cute" & "pet type" animals they "save", the more of those very critters there are out there to prey on the quarry us hunters wish to target.  Not to mention that in todays worldy arena of political korektness, it can be a semi popular sell to limit the hunting opportunities, especially for the fasionably bashable white male of today.

Coyotes are FAR more numerous, huntable, and trappable year 'round, yet the HSUS seems to care less about their welfare. Coyotes are nowhere as pretty as the wolf, and the HSUS knows that the general public knows the same.

I personaly do not hate wolves per se, however I DO HATE with a deep passion, the HSUS/PETA types who base animal biology strictly by what their emiotions tell them, instead of historicaly proven factual data .

Just my personal opinion.

[myronman3]

it doesnt make one bit of difference to me what they are listed as. 

[1sourdough]

 The beaver numbers are down in the Northern U.P. from the 1970's timeframe.  You don't see the beaver dam on a small woods stream like it used to be. Now it's usually a larger body of water or river. They are very vunerable & tasty to wolves. I don't like beavers plugging pipes but the dams really help many types of wildlife. I've had some great fishing when you catch the dam at the right age.

 Not much to add about the wolf relisting, other than not surprised.

[ihookem]

Sourdough, If you know   someone that has respect, he can trap the beavers on the South Fork Flambeau River west of Phillips where I have some river frontage. Can even use my canoe if they want. I have had it with them beavers, or  they can live trap them for you if you don't think your area has enough!

[1sourdough]

 ihookem, I have hunted in the Phillips area a while back. Lately it's a little away from my stomping grounds. I'm off to the U.P. tomorrow to do some trapline assist duties. I'm sure a local trapper could be found if you wanted to put a dent in your beavers. Depending on the situation I agree they can be a pesky rodent. I know where there are a few plugged pipes at this very moment.

[Ahshucks]

I wonder if the sentiment will change after a few cute house pups disappear, or the family kitty.  Shortly after that, the family will wonder where junior wandered off to.  Of course these are a much easier to obtain food supply which will be revisited often. 

I had the opportunity to stare down a wolf off of a deer drive last year.  The crosshair was firmly etched between the eyes the entire time.  Very cold and calculating eyes.  Wouldn't mind a bedspread made out of bunch of them and a Daniel Boone hat.