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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #300 on: May 15, 2009, 02:04:07 PM »
Well my remington bolt handle has yet to fall off and the 660 did get a new trigger after sending it back because it failed . The new mark X trigger is not as good as the magazine claims .

The winchester bolts come off too I hear . Well mine is fine for the minute.
The thing is some guns are far from perfect . Then Remington just replaced the flautty trigger when one showed.
Marlin has problems they will fix if you send it back, but they too keep making the same product . It seems to be cheaper just to repair the units that come back.

Savage 6.5/284 barrels do not Last , but they are still being sold .
Now I wonder how many rounds the 6,5/06 does ?

GM kept pumping out 350 engines with soft Cam Shafts , then decided to use them up after they realized the production part was defective . Yeah!! they would replace it under warranty . They hoped it would last until you could pay for it .

Just because you do not have a problem doe not mean the problem is not there . Right ?
We read about such things here on the net all the time.

Now on the internet we read more of this while before we hardly ever heard of such . .
Has the Quality done down . Not really , just there might be more product , and every one continues to try to save a buck while things are being made . Most of the time it is to our expense.





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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #301 on: May 15, 2009, 07:23:50 PM »
Oops, double post - deleted.
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #302 on: May 15, 2009, 07:42:56 PM »
Any of the .270 or .30-06 loads will work just as well.  Mythology aside there are no useful wildcats these days.

Few rifles shoot well free floated.  I see no reason to do it.

I’m only interested in how MY rifles shoot free floated.  These targets are from rifles that are free floated:

Ruger .257 Roberts:


Ruger 7mm RM – 10 rounds shot in gusty 40mph crosswinds:


Remington M700 BDL:


Ruger .30-06, sight check before “hunting” clay pigeons at 400 yards:


Ruger .300 Win Mag, first shot flyer from an oiled bore:


No pictures available, but I have a target buried in the stack that shows my Ruger .22-250 MII VT is capable of 4 shots into 0.5” at 200 yards. 


Regardless, even if I was giving up some accuracy with the floated barrels (and I may be, but with targets like those above I don’t care), I would still do it.  The reason is that it prevents changes in the stock shape (typically due to changes in humidity and/or temperature) from affecting Point Of Impact.

My posts above show the .270 Win and .30-06 are a distant second to the 6.5mm-06AI, even when using loads you approve of.  If you can’t provide better loads for comparison – loads that actually match or beat the 6.5mm-06 or at least come close -  your continued assertion that any .270 Win or .30-06 load will work just as well is just a demonstration of how out of touch you are with reality.  Is the sky blue in your world?
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #303 on: May 16, 2009, 06:10:36 AM »
 When did this topic switch over from discussing Remington 700 Quality (The whole package)

to a personal battle of .270 win or .30-06 load vs 6.5mm-06AI??

I thought this was a comparative study of Remington's 700 quality of workmanship  vs with what else is out there in the competitive market , apples to apples , price point to price point - what manufacturer provides the best bang for the buck.

If this ever gets back on point I would be interested in the original topic. I am open minded when it comes to Rifles. Rifles are tools. As a Blue collar guy with limited $$'s its nice to read information that compares rifles from those who use them and know. Especially because if I'm lucky and the Fridge doesn't conk out,  or I have to replace a furnace, or pay an unexpected medical bill etc.. (you know every day life crap)  I may have reached a point in my life where I can squirrel away just enough discretionary funds to purchase 1 (maybe 2 if I'm damn lucky) rifles a year.

What defines quality? Just accuracy? Fit and Finish? selection of materials? improved engineering developments? What about safety?
Price ?all the above? None of the above?

what manufacture today is providing the best bang for the buck when it comes to quality?
how about the new Winchester 70?   any good comparatively?  What about CZ products how do their 700 similar products compare?
What manufacturer is cutting edge materials ? Wwhere does Tikka fit in comparatively to Rem 700 selection of products. Who is using the better synthetics than those used by remington on their 700 products? How does Kimber stack up? Where does Weatherby fit in to the Out of the box quality discussion?
Has Ruger or Marlin made quality advancements to rival comparative Remington products? 

This would have been a more helpful thread if it had had stayed on topic and "objective" viewpoints had been shared by those who have more knowledge than I discussing Remington's 700 quality out of the box vs other manufactures out of the box available today, so I could learn, and stay informed.    instead it digressed into a 6.5mm-06AI modified beyond all recognition battle of wills challenge/discussion

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #304 on: May 16, 2009, 10:16:26 AM »
When did this topic switch over from discussing Remington 700 Quality (The whole package)

to a personal battle of .270 win or .30-06 load vs 6.5mm-06AI??

I thought this was a comparative study of Remington's 700 quality of workmanship  vs with what else is out there in the competitive market , apples to apples , price point to price point - what manufacturer provides the best bang for the buck.

If this ever gets back on point I would be interested in the original topic. I am open minded when it comes to Rifles. Rifles are tools. As a Blue collar guy with limited $$'s its nice to read information that compares rifles from those who use them and know. Especially because if I'm lucky and the Fridge doesn't conk out,  or I have to replace a furnace, or pay an unexpected medical bill etc.. (you know every day life crap)  I may have reached a point in my life where I can squirrel away just enough discretionary funds to purchase 1 (maybe 2 if I'm damn lucky) rifles a year.

What defines quality?
Just accuracy?
Fit and Finish?
selection of materials?
improved engineering developments?
What about safety?
Price ?
all the above?
None of the above?

what manufacture today is providing the best bang for the buck when it comes to quality?
how about the new Winchester 70?   any good comparatively?  What about CZ products how do their 700 similar products compare?
What manufacturer is cutting edge materials ? Who is using the better synthetics than those used by remington on their 700 products? How does Kimber stack up? Where does Weatherby fit in to the Out of the box quality discussion?
Has Ruger or Marlin made quality advancements to rival comparative Remington products? 

This would have been a more helpful thread if it had had stayed on topic and "objective" viewpoints had been shared by those who have more knowledge than I discussing Remington's 700 quality out of the box vs other manufactures out of the box available today, so I could learn, and stay informed.    instead it digressed into a 6.5mm-06AI modified beyond all recognition battle of wills challenge/discussion

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I agree with you on main subject of this thread. It has been steered in the wrong direction of the main topic. Know they are talking custom mausers. Thread needs to be steered back to Remington's Qaulity.
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #305 on: May 16, 2009, 11:37:15 AM »
I would still be interested in this discussion if it ever gets back on point.
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #306 on: May 16, 2009, 05:10:19 PM »
Okay here it is, the 700 isn't what it used to be. For the last ten or more years I wouldn't pick the 700 over anything.  It has a long standing reputation of being the go to gun for hunters but was lax in improvements and quality control over the years because they thought they were the best.  Now you have a whole host of excellent guns coming through that far exceed the 700's quality.  This is sad but true.

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #307 on: May 17, 2009, 06:23:22 AM »
I think or know your right on the money with that statment .( leather5to 1)
Not sure if Remington ever corrected "that trigger" , we need to wait for reports of the new Mark

Think Marlin needs to learn  too. Lumps in the barrels and cut over bore , wrong site heights are the norm.



Just look at the used Gun racks and see late model rifles being traded in for some reason of other , and you might get the idea there is something going on with the product . You hardly saw a Sako 75 being traded but there are lots of Sako 85. Maybe they should have kept the 75 recoil lug!

 Then lots of Tikka lite , because they are light,they seem to kick like a mule, with the pads they have from the factory .

It was one thing to buy a product for under 400.00 but pay 1500 to "double" that or more, you do expect the best .
With high wages and manufacturing costs going up all the time, quaility goes south , in an effort to make profit . Winchester went down , and so  wonder what the new model 70 is like .

Will we see the return of the "94" Maybe, but they will probably be built elseware .

Remington is struggling to stay afloat , so they import the Mauser , Marlin imports guns too.
Remington now purchased Marlin , so are we going to see Levers under the remington Name ?
Maybe they will be the "only one making good Levers . Pumps and Auto's ,Lets hope.

Are they after the other's "Patent " , or did they have an edge some where .

We just made a company bigger , when there really is an advantage for us  of having smaller companies.

Tikka and Sako are imported through the parent Beretta.Then you do not see too many "Beretta rifles "sold here .

Some things do have to change , just look what has happened to GM. They thought they were going things right too.

It will be intersting  from whom , we will be buying firearms in ten years .




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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #308 on: May 18, 2009, 02:17:49 AM »
I own several BDL Remington and it going to stay that way. I also own three or four of a different maker.

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #309 on: May 18, 2009, 06:00:54 AM »
Remington is not struggling to stay afloat.  They imported the Mauser (they no longer import them) to give those who wanted CRF one less reason to whine.  Marlin has never had a quality problem.  The new X-Mark Pro trigger is very good as was the trigger it replaced.

The new FN Model 70 Winchester is much more accurate than the one it replaced.  It's still too expensive.
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #310 on: May 18, 2009, 06:11:09 AM »
Remington is not struggling to stay afloat.  They imported the Mauser (they no longer import them) to give those who wanted CRF one less reason to whine.  Marlin has never had a quality problem.  The new X-Mark Pro trigger is very good as was the trigger it replaced.

The new FN Model 70 Winchester is much more accurate than the one it replaced.  It's still too expensive.

Here we go again . and on and on .

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #311 on: May 18, 2009, 01:39:10 PM »
Remington is not struggling to stay afloat.  They imported the Mauser (they no longer import them) to give those who wanted CRF one less reason to whine.  Marlin has never had a quality problem.  The new X-Mark Pro trigger is very good as was the trigger it replaced.

The new FN Model 70 Winchester is much more accurate than the one it replaced.  It's still too expensive.

I think the reason Remington quit importing the Mausers is they were, for the money, not very good examples of the art.  They certainly never convinced me to part with any money and I know others that felt the same.  Frankly, I was very disappointed in Remington and didn't think the 798's and 799's were worthy of the Remington name. 

That's pretty much how I feel about the 770's as well- cheaply designed and made and it shows.  I'd much rather have a Stevens where the design is good and they just cut back on aesthetics.
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #312 on: May 19, 2009, 06:55:00 AM »
I wasn't aware Remington stopped importing the 798 and 799. From what I read these Mausers were at times poorly fit , and needed to reworked .The nice thing about this forum in general is that we keep each other up to date with regard to the Firearm industry . Here in Canada we are sometimes the last to here some news , as to a new product, or one no longer made . When it comes to needing parts or a recall , some times this then is missed . The recall on the remington trigger was an on going thing , and I had not heard a thing until I took my 660 Remington in for tigger work , then finding out after the repair was covered .
I had a Savage 111 package , which I bought because it was cheap . The fit was   and the gun accurate , but it had a very  heavy bolt lift with factory ammo , so I traded it back since the dealer did not want to send it back . They told me just to grease the bolt luggs and work the action hard as with  the enflied .

That soured the milk on a savage , so I stayed away from cheap rifles . I heard about the remington Mausers being rough at the same time , otherwise I might have bought a Stevens just for a truck gun.

Maybe some one else would like to enlighten us futher on the 798/ 799 .
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #313 on: May 19, 2009, 10:23:46 AM »
Harry -

I have not had hard bolt openings with the Savage rifles I've worked with or owned.  Sounds like you got a bad one.

The M798's and 799's are no longer listed on the Remington web site.  Goodbye and good ridance, IMHO. 


Now that Remington owns Marlin and can sell the XR7 they can dump the crappy M770's as well.  wouldn't surprise me of they don't do that, though as the XR7's are well built and would take sales from the M700's.
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #314 on: May 19, 2009, 12:52:01 PM »
Harry -

I have not had hard bolt openings with the Savage rifles I've worked with or owned.  Sounds like you got a bad one.

Only time I had it happen with my 110 was with the cheapo Barnaul/Russian steel cased ammo.  I stopped shooting that stuff and haven't had a single issue with the gun since.

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Now that Remington owns Marlin and can sell the XR7 they can dump the crappy M770's as well.  wouldn't surprise me of they don't do that, though as the XR7's are well built and would take sales from the M700's.

Depends on the profit margins of both, but I doubt they care if one of their own rifles cuts into sales of another.  If they can make more money selling XR7's than M700's then they'll make and sell those instead.  While the XR7 will cut into M700 sales, it will also cut into Savage 110 and Mossberg 100ATR sales (which is what the 710/770 was MEANT to do, except with that rifle Remington produced a true turd).  Companies rarely have any set of morals or pride.  They do what makes the most $$$.  Heck if it's easier to manufacture and sells better Remington might just take the XR7 and make it the flagship bolt action rifle.  All depends on how the sales do.

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #315 on: May 20, 2009, 02:25:25 AM »
It sounds like the load is to hot. Have you tried a load that wasn't as hot or as fast?

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #316 on: May 20, 2009, 05:07:33 AM »
It sounds like the load is to hot. Have you tried a load that wasn't as hot or as fast?

No it was factory 300 SAUM Remington loads . I tried two different box's of Ammo . I did not get into reloading at the time as was waiting for dies .
The gun dealer told me that  these ( 111 package rifles ) were cheap rifles there for you had to be rough with them to operate , like the enflied to get them to work. Then I was to grease the lugs . I had to hammer the bolt open after a shotwith the palm of my hand to open the action , like if the loads were too hot.
I went back to the dealer twice over this and  was told that was the way they were . I got my money back on a trade .
As far as feel . fit etc the gun was great . The case's showed no high pressure signs , not flattened primers Etc.    It would group well,  other than the very heavy bolt lift .

I should have contacted Savage and gone over the dealers head , but at the time was upset with the rifle .

Before that I had continuous problems with a Light weight BLR which having had it sent back to browning three times , never was repaired to my satifaction , so sold it at a loss , then bought the savage , updated the scope and the rest is History . The winchester bought afterwards used was and is perfect .

Should I buy another rifle after this maybe I will give Savage another try.

Right now I am looking at a used Remington for the wife .
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #317 on: May 22, 2009, 12:02:34 PM »
Back to the original topic of problems with Rem 700s.

In Feb this year I purchased a .243 Win in Rem 700 CDL.  It was new.  I wanted to replace an older .243 that I had bought in a post 64 Mod 70 Win as a used rifle, that was extremely accurate but had head space problems.  (I gave the action to a friend who wanted to build a 6.5-284)

I was very confident that the new Rem would produce good accuracy because I had 700s in 22-250 and 338 RUM that were extremely accurate out of the box -- 0.5 MOA and 0.75 MOA respectively.

I got to the range to break in the barrell on my new 243 and it was all over the place initially.  I checked the stock screws (which I should have done in the first place) and found them loose.  I tightened them and still had poor accuracy -- about 4" to 5" groups.  Before I went to the range the next time I thought it might be the scope, so I replaced that with a known scope I took off my 25-06.  End result was no change.  Crappy groups. 

I next reloaded some ammo with a variety of bullets from 70gr to 105gr with a fairly proven 243 powder, IMR 4350.  The net result was no change in accuracy.  I repeated the process using Vargent and RL 19....again no change.

So this week I call Remington customer service and told them of my problem.  They asked if I had touched the bedding, and I stated no that the rifle was as originally bedded from the factory with a free floated barrel.  They stated that the barrel should not be free floated that it should have upward pressure.  They offered to replace the stock if it sent it to them.  I am now in a quandry.  I have rarely owned a rifle that did not produce better accuracy with a floated barrel and I suspect that even if I replace the stock with a new one from Remington, that I will end up with the same results.

I am going to take it to the range and shim the foreend to reproduce a pressure point and see how it shoots.  If I get the same results, I don't see where a new stock will solve what appears to be a barrel accuracy problem which I suspect Remington will not fix.  I can see no problem with the crown.

That leaves me with several alternatives. 

1. Glass bed the action myself...also suggested by the Remington Customer Service rep  (of course he suggested this because it would void the warrenty)
2. Try having a gunsmith cut off a couple of inches of the barrell and recrown...because most barrel accuracy problems result from inconsistent reaming within the last 2 inches of the barrel.
3. A combination of 1 & 2 above, or
3. Just suck it up and replace the barrel with a good Shielen product and also glass bed.

Bottom line is that I am very disappointed with the rifle because my other 700s shoot so well.

As to Remington vs others...I own quite a variety of firearms and always managed to get them to shoot well. If they don't they are gone!

I have the three Remington just discussed.  I have 2 Ruger 77 Mk IIs in 25-06 and 30-06 that are tack drivers and I am very satisfied with Ruger fit/finish/quality.  I have a 1949 pre-64 Mod 70 win in 270 that is in immaculate condition and shoots well.  I have a 256 Newton that is a wonderful rifle, and I have variety of other "antiques" that I love to shoot.

But to tell you the truth, I have really invested my dollars in building 3 custom 1903 Springfields where the only things original on them are the actions-- Shielen barrels, custom stocks I built and bedded myself, Timney triggers, and Leupold scopes.   All these are in 6.5-06, 338-06, and 35 Whelen.  I would not trade any one of them for a half-dozen Rem 700s.

I suspect I will never break a bolt on a Rem 700.....or any of my other rifles.

As to the safety issues on the Rem 700, mine were all manufactured after 2002 so I don't worry about it.  I also never pack a weapon in the woods with a bullet in the chamber just relying on the safety to work...I don't trust any of them.   I normally hunt alone so I can't shoot anybody accidently.  And you may not like it, but as I get to where I still hunt or go on a stand, I chamber a round and let the bolt down with the trigger pulled.  When I see game, I cock the action by raising and lowering the bolt...normally silent. Or on the Springfields, I pull back on the bolt cocking knob to cock the bolt.  Has worked for me for over 40 years.

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #318 on: May 22, 2009, 12:33:58 PM »
letting that firing pin rest on the primer by releasing the sear is not a good idea. if it gets jarred AT ALL, it can easily send a bullet somehwere you don't want it.

on a remington, it does not disconnect the pin, it just lets it rest on the primer...

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #319 on: May 23, 2009, 07:40:01 AM »

As to the safety issues on the Rem 700, mine were all manufactured after 2002 so I don't worry about it.  I also never pack a weapon in the woods with a bullet in the chamber just relying on the safety to work...I don't trust any of them.   I normally hunt alone so I can't shoot anybody accidently.  And you may not like it, but as I get to where I still hunt or go on a stand, I chamber a round and let the bolt down with the trigger pulled.  When I see game, I cock the action by raising and lowering the bolt...normally silent. Or on the Springfields, I pull back on the bolt cocking knob to cock the bolt.  Has worked for me for over 40 years.

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The problem experianced with the remington, was firing when you closed the bolt on a live round . Hense you always "HAD" to make sure you loaded with the barrel in a safe direction .AFter Remington repaired the trigger under the recall, there was no issue .I did not experiance a let off when the safety was moved , but this could occure.

 The bolt handle could and would drop if they were not soldered on properly as is the case with the 70 Winchesters of late also.

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #320 on: May 23, 2009, 04:14:17 PM »
I find it unbelievable that this thread is still going on, which reminds me, I need to shoot my M700VS
308 in the next couple of days, it sure is a shooter!  ;)
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #321 on: May 23, 2009, 04:30:29 PM »
I find it unbelievable that this thread is still going on, which reminds me, I need to shoot my M700VS
308 in the next couple of days, it sure is a shooter!  ;)
I agree with you. I went to the range today and shot my Remington model 700xcr 270wsm. It still produces nice .5" groups with factory Winchester 150gr. Power Points and the bolt handle did not fall off,hang or slam fires. ;)
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #322 on: May 23, 2009, 04:37:03 PM »
Sounds pretty typical for a Remington 700.  You can envy them, but you can't beat them.
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #323 on: May 23, 2009, 05:38:46 PM »
I love my Tikkas and Sakos, but I own more Remingtons than any other brand.  As far as Remington quality goes, I have only had one defect problem.  It was on a 700 BDL SS (I think DM) in 7mm-08.  It was a brand new gun and the trigger would sway left to right like a houla hoop dancer. I took it a gunsmith and he told me that Remington would most certainly replace it under warranty.  However, given that I wanted to use that gun for a hunting trip within a couple of weeks (and because it would certainly take longer for Remington to replace it under warranty), I just went ahead and had the gunsmith install a jewell trigger (which is phenomenal by the way).  In any event, that is the only problem that I have had with any Remington that I own.  On a related note, another gunsmith once told me that Remington had some problems early on with their 300 Ultra Mags - apparently the chambering (or something like that) was not proper or properly fitted, but Remington fixed that problem.  I own a 700 Ultra Mag in 700 BDL SS, but I have never shot it, so I don't know if my gun was in one of those bad batches. 

Now going back to my houla hoop trigger, like I said, this was the only problem that I have ever had with any remington, and only the second problem that I have had with ANY rifle.  Should Remington have realized that bad trigger during its quality control? Absolutely.  Why didn't it? I don't know.  However, let me briefly tell you about the second problem I have had...and this was with KIMBER!  Kimber is known for making high quality rifles.  I bought a Kimber Montana (which is stainless/composite) in .300WSM.  Believe it or not, when you worked the bolt, you could not pull it back all the way.  There was a defect, a bulge, on the outside part of the bolt (remember, Kimbers are like Winchester Pre-64 actions with the control round feed, which have that flat thin bar running along side the right side of the bolt).  Well, I called Kimber and, I got to tell ya, they replaced that part and sent it back to me within something like 5 business days if I remember correctly! That has to be amazing!  Still, the point is that Kimber's quality control should have easily caught that, but they didn't.

I have not bought a new Remington rifle in quite a few years - probably over 5 years - so I can't comment on their quality during these recent years.  I can't honestly determine if Remington's quality before that was going down, or if I was just very impressed with Tikkas' quality which, at least for me, has always been better than Remington.  I know Graybeard once took a hard look at a Tikka at my request and, gosh darn it, just as bad luck would have it, he got a hold of a Tikka that was just crappy and left a bad taste in his mouth.  GB is a very honest and fair person, so I certainly believe him.  I'm just trying to make a point that ALL manufacturers have a lemon here and there. 

Zachary

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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #324 on: May 24, 2009, 09:45:12 AM »
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You said it all. your going to have a problem some where with them all some time .

I was a bit ticked at Remington , to continue with a trigger they knew was defective for years , just as Marlin has two restictions in a lot of their lever barrels . They persist in using up the parts on hand , repairing those that come back for repairs . I was told this was the cheapest way to deal with a problem.

I had my rem. bolt actoin repaired under the recall, so no cost to me . Then I was stung with two Marlins , losing money on them, but have three that are great .

Having said that , would I buy another Remington Bolt ? Yep!! they are good guns .
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Re: 700 Remington Quality
« Reply #325 on: May 29, 2009, 03:49:06 AM »
I own the 338 RUM and it shoots the nosler partitions 210gr in 3" group at 150yds But it will shoot the Accubond 225gr bullet into a 3/4 in group at 200yds. I do not why it does this.