Author Topic: What makes a Democrat or for that matter a Republican?--a QUESTION! (Read 1602 times)

kody · « **on:** October 04, 2008, 04:26:26 PM »

A short list of people regularly post in this column. The same old names keep popping up. Almost all seem to be in close agreement with the occasional jab from a polar opposite just to keep the pot bubbling . You all seem to feed on each other's comments and get in a hissy -fit in short order . You seem to follow the GOP line so here's some questions; list in priority order WHY you favor that party,just a word or two to simply identify your reason ,a whole sermon isn't necessary. The minority party is welcomed to do the same as is the IP. You all value guns,are there more Republican gun owners than Dems? Are there more GOP churchgoers than Dems. Are there just as many Republican millionnaires as Democratic ones? These elections always run very closely ,isn't it amazing that one or the other party just doesn't fade away? There are signs that Palin, nice a person that she is , is just a post-turtle after all. Cheers

Brett · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2008, 04:50:12 PM »

Well I can only speak for myself. The Republican party's platform is generally more in line with my beliefs and values in most of the areas that are important to me. I.e.; the right to life, smaller less invasive government, the right to bare arms for sport and self defense, etc.

As far as the Palin being a "post turtle" comment goes, I believe that line was first used to describe Obama. Palin has governed over a town (which grew and prospered under her leadership) and then a state where she has garnered the best overall approval raiting of any state governor, past or present, in the nation.

What prey tell has Obama done to earn a shot at the Presidency? Oh... right, he was a civic organizer. Which in my book is akin to PTA president. And Palin has that covered as well.

powderman · « **Reply #2 on:** October 04, 2008, 05:02:26 PM »

The big 3 things I look for are gun control, killing babies cause they are inconvenient, and the party's stand on homosexuality. The dumcrap party supports all of these things. The republicans aren't perfect, there are things I disagree with. Fact is, ya can't be a Christian and support the dumcrap party. They talk of family values, then talk about queer rights and a womans right to kill her child. Those are abominations in Gods eyes, and mine. Lost another post, hope this one goes out. POWDERMAN.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 04, 2008, 05:12:37 PM »

I generally vote republican because the candidates that i would vote for get squashed and then ignored by the left-wing media (Ron Paul). I believe in free speech, the right to bear arms,Ibelieve in the right to pray in school when our country is attacked on 9-11,I believe inthe right to life before I have that choice myself. I think i am adult enough to make my own decisions without having the gov't make my decisions for me. The biggest problem this country has is the 2 party system. Make the candidates stand on their merits-not on their party affiliation.

jgalar · « **Reply #4 on:** October 04, 2008, 06:05:54 PM »

I have taken the oath to uphold the Constitution.

The elected Dems also took the oath, but most don't uphold it. The only difference between the current leaders of the Democratic party and Communists is the Commies are more efficient.

The elected Reps also took the oath and some don't always uphold it. The current Republican party appears to be trying to take the parking spot on the left that the Democrats just vacated to take the spot on the FAR left.

The other parties don't much matter as they don't have a chance in h3ll of getting power. Some are just nut cases others are not bad Constitution wise, but I don't care for their isolationist policies.

I am a registered Republican, but do not always vote for the Republican on the ticket if there isn't a Democrat opposing him. I have never voted for a Democrat.

Speaking of nut cases here is a story of the GreenParty Candidate. Read for yourself:
http://preprod.elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/02/mckinney-accuses-government-slaughtering-prisoners-dumping-bodies-katrina/

Oh, by the way the Republican party's nomination of McCain had me in the search for a new party to join until Palin got on the ticket. I am not looking forward to serving under President Obama.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2008, 06:11:41 PM »

Rep. good!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dems. evil

Dale

45-70.gov · « **Reply #6 on:** October 05, 2008, 03:54:09 AM »

the next president will either be OBAMA OR MCCAIN what part of that do you deny or not understand? i belong to the Libertarian party so i can make a statement...I WILL NOT WASTE MY VOTE UNTIL THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONE then i will VOTE 3rd party

magooch · « **Reply #7 on:** October 05, 2008, 04:00:02 AM »

The sad truth is that too many of the people of this country have drifted too far to the left. I'm not saying that all people who vote Republican have gone off the road into the ditch, but enough of them have and they are the ones who pick the McGores over some of the much more conservative choices.

I find it ironic that McGore might actually have given the Republican party the chance to correct and get back on the conservative road, by picking Sarah as his running mate. Even if they don't win this time around, Gov. Palin might be in position to run for President in four years.

As for the Dumbycrat party--that party has been basically socialist for decades, but they had the Southern dems to keep them modulated a little. However, it appears that enough of the South has switched sides to where there no longer is enough influence to keep the Dumbycrat party from their true leanings. With the selection of this half-American, marxist, elitist (Osama Hussein), the dems are no longer satisfied with mere socialist elitists like Gore, or Kerry, they've jumped right over the ditch and are off into the communist boonies.

Lord, protect us.

bilmac · « **Reply #8 on:** October 05, 2008, 05:01:31 AM »

For sure Magoo. I do pray that the Lord will protect us from Obama, if he gains power with Congress the way it is, our country will never be the same. You can kiss gun rights goodby for one thing.

I agree with the things already said , there are lots of reasons why I am Republican. Another that has not been mentioned yet is the Democrat ideas about wealth redistribution. To me it is nothing more than government mandated robbery. The Dems couch it as a fairness issue. What is fair about stealing from a man who works and giving to a man who won't. In truth the Dems. have discovered that they can buy votes using my tax dollars.

Swampman · « **Reply #9 on:** October 05, 2008, 05:22:16 AM »

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list in priority order WHY you favor that party

I'm a Christain gun owner. The democrat party's offical positons are anti both.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #10 on:** October 05, 2008, 05:31:49 AM »

KODY on your other thread 'WHO PICKED PALIN?" Greybeard and i asked you a direct question,,,,'what is your motive for bashing Palin and you have so far refused to answer it please go back there and answer our simple question

billy_56081 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:19:54 AM »

while the Republicans are far from perfect and far from ideal, the party line of the Democrats is for killing babies, gun control, redistibution of wealth, socialism and fag marrage. The Republicans while at time they delve into some or all of the above ocasionally, do not havea party platform of these issues. It would be nice to see A truly conservative party get a good foothold in government, but sadly the third partys keep running gomers, geeks and dweebs for office and don't stand a chance.

Now Kody, how about you answer Greybeards question! Or don't you have a big enough pair?

45-70.gov · « **Reply #12 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:44:59 AM »

Billy thanks for your support.......but are we having a hissy-fit by demanding an answer from an OBAMA supporter

Bart Solo · « **Reply #13 on:** October 05, 2008, 08:32:25 AM »

You all keep talking about right and left. What do you mean?

Swampman · « **Reply #14 on:** October 05, 2008, 08:57:04 AM »

Right =s Republicans

Left =s Democrats

Independents/Third Party =s nothing

jimster · « **Reply #15 on:** October 05, 2008, 08:57:46 AM »

I'm not Rep or Dem, but have voted Rep mostly so as to do as least amount of damage overall to my pre-existing rights, as it appeared to me the Dems had drifted out to sea long ago, with the "party of inclusion" thing...they attracted every wacko group they could, including ones with no morals, and have also bred a generation of people who want government to giver them things, instead of people giving to the country.
That's how I see it mostly...yes, there are some bad republicans...and some independents....but the Dems take the cake, IMO, of being the ones who would hurt the country overall more than any other party.

Your comment on Palin "There are signs that Palin, nice a person that she is , is just a post-turtle after all. Cheers"...is just an opinion, they vary. Not sure what your diggin for on that comment...but I figure since you did not list any meaningful reason why you feel that way, it's just "keeps the pot bubbling" as you put it. I could list several major accomplishments by Palin....already did some time back, and so have others....she seems to have done more in the past three or 4 years than Senator Biden has in 30 years, sitting right inside the Washington cess pool. So how is that working out for you so far? Just look...everything the Democrats are screaming about in policies...and Biden has been right there writing them and signing them for 3 decades. And he points at Bush. Makes me chuckle. Used to teach my kids when they were young to stand up and take responsibility for things that went wrong, and not point the blame. Now we have the leader of the Democrats (Polosi) who are IN power, who were in total charge of the housing crap...all pointing the blame.

Just like I told my kids not to do....LOL

Jim

Graybeard · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2008, 10:41:15 AM »

I really don't consider myself a Republican or a dumocrap to be honest I am an independent and vote not so much a ticket as the person I think best for the job assuming of course I have a real choice of such to make. Most times I find myself not so much voting for anyone as against the rest. More often than not my vote does go to someone in the Republican party at least they claim to be.

Both parties have morphed over the years into something greatly different than they once were. Neither are for the little guy or the man on the street type. Both are now controlled pretty completely by big money and those elected more often than not owe their allegance not to those who voted them into office but to those who bought their way there.

Still there are basic fundamental difference in the stated over all philosophy of the two parties and to at least some extent as a party they do lean toward support of those different positions even if today the Republicans are much weaker in support of theirs than the dumocraps are in support of theirs.

Taken as a platform of their parties those clear differences that matter to me are primarily these:

1. Repubs at least say they support the Constitution and do weakly at least back it. The Dums don't even pretent to support it and are openly trying to remove it as law of the land.
2. Dums are clearly non Christian and are doing their best to remove Christianity from the US and install in it's place the devil's way. They want to support gay marriage and remove all rights to public prayer or mention of GOD.
3. Dums believe the Constitution to be a living document to mean whatever they wish it to mean and for now and hopefully a little while longer the Repubs at least give passing support to keeping it and not changing it to mean what liberal judges say it means.
4. Repubs as a whole tend to appoint more conservative judges than the dums do as they only appoint judges that want to rewrite the Constitution and now are even trying to use the Senate appointment power to refuse to seat judges who are not willing to rewrite it.

Troyboy · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2008, 11:19:49 AM »

All the washington elite politicians are corrupt. Our forefathers would be rolling in their graves at the mess we are in. I'm gonna always vote for the man and what he stands for not the party. Less government, No homosexual special rights, No government funded abortion, Right to own and bear arms, Seperation of church and state, English as the only language, Less taxation, No NAFTA , I refuse to vote for Berry Obama He is anti American This time around it's Mccain

Troy

Bart Solo · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2008, 12:32:46 PM »

"1. Repubs at least say they support the Constitution and do weakly at least back it. The Dums don't even pretent to support it and are openly trying to remove it as law of the land."

Two comments. First, the Republicans under GWB have assaulted our Constitution harder than at anytime since the Civil War. Doing away with habeas corpus is a flat assault on an individual liberties over a 1000 years old. There are lots of other examples. How about Dick Cheney "redefining" the role of the Vice President? What does GWB mean when his supporters refer to the "unitary executive?" Isn't the same thing as saying he thinks he is a king? Our rights in the Constitution are there to protect each of us. Taking those rights away from people you don't like is UnAmerican.

Second, I know a lot about politics and keep pretty close tabs so I am shocked to hear the Democrats are trying to "remove it as the law of the land." I have to say please provide a citation. In short, prove it.

"2. Dums are clearly non Christian and are doing their best to remove Christianity from the US and install in it's place the devil's way. They want to support gay marriage and remove all rights to public prayer or mention of GOD."

You need to elaborate. What do you mean. Give real examples. Near as I can tell the Democrats support freedom of religion. Freedom of religion under the constitution means that no religion is taught by the government, not even Christianity. I suspect most Democrats are Christians, but some aren't. Of course, some Republicans aren't either. That Constitution you are so proud of doesn't use the word Christian anywhere. As to public prayer, it is perfectly legal. The Constitution just doesn't permit the government to dictate the prayer. As to gay marriage, I note that most Democrats like most Republicans are against gay marriage. The gay marriage issue has to do with fairness. I say take marriage out of government. If a church wants to marry two guys or two gals so be it. If another church doesn't, that's cool too. Civil unions actually mean two people who live together get the same civil rights regardless of sex.

"3. Dums believe the Constitution to be a living document to mean whatever they wish it to mean and for now and hopefully a little while longer the Repubs at least give passing support to keeping it and not changing it to mean what liberal judges say it means."

Now we are into something. The argument that the Constitution is a living document or must be given it's literal interpretation is not a Democrat or Republican argument. It is a Constitutional argument raised by scholars. Earl Warren is the Supreme Court Justice most associated with the notion that the Constitution is a living document. Did you know that old Earl was a Republican?

"4. Repubs as a whole tend to appoint more conservative judges than the dums do as they only appoint judges that want to rewrite the Constitution and now are even trying to use the Senate appointment power to refuse to seat judges who are not willing to rewrite it."

The term "Conservative Judge" when used by Republicans refers to a judge who the think will rule their way. In the case of the judges appointed during the Bush administration it means judges who support corporate rights over individual rights. Ever heard of the Ledbetter case? Look it up.

I asked the question and got the answer I anticipated. Nothing but a regurgitation of the kind of nonsense sold Americans over the last 20 years. Everybody is trying to sell some damn filter, including the Republicans. That left v. right filter allows the politicians in Washington get away with stealing our freedoms. They have been doing a damn good job of it. They have taught us all how to think in their slogans. The problem with thinking in slogans is you can't have an original thought. George Orwell wrote a book called "1984." Read it. It tells about a government that controlled its people by controlling their language, thereby limiting how they thought. I guess it works.

One final thing on that original though notion. If you can't have an original thought, you can never solve a problem.

Graybeard, there is only one America. We are all Americans. Our job is to understand and to the extent we can take care of it and each other. If we don't, nobody will. Red state, blue state is pure nonsense.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2008, 03:24:00 PM »

Once again I have to say the filthy liberals will say anything to make thier point. But what can you expect from someone who believes in killing babies.

Dee · « **Reply #20 on:** October 05, 2008, 05:17:20 PM »

Quote from: powderman on October 04, 2008, 05:02:26 PM

The big 3 things I look for are gun control, killing babies cause they are inconvenient, and the party's stand on homosexuality. The dumcrap party supports all of these things. The republicans aren't perfect, there are things I disagree with. Fact is, ya can't be a Christian and support the dumcrap party. They talk of family values, then talk about queer rights and a womans right to kill her child. Those are abominations in Gods eyes, and mine. Lost another post, hope this one goes out. POWDERMAN.

powderman, I am not challenging you on any of you comments, you just bring up some interesting points.

Point #1. Gun Control. McCain a professed Republican has voted ANTI-gun 73% of the time. He teamed up with Lieberman to BAN GUN SHOWS, voted YES on the assault weapons ban, and voted YES on the reinstatement of the assault weapons ban. And although this doesn't concern gun control, he and Russ Fiengold teamed up to create the McCain-Fiengold Act against much of the 1st Amendment.

Point #2. Killing babies cause their inconvenient. This question is asked ROUTINELY of all politicians Republican or Democrat, and although Republicans MOSTLY ANSWER that they are pro-life, no one ever asks them what they are going to do about this slaughter of almost 50,000,000 babies if elected, and I have yet to hear of ANY OF THEM trying to introduce legislation to try and stop abortion. Does it make the voter FEEL BETTER, if folks like McCain tell them they are pro-life even though they will do nothing to stop it, if elected? What a useless qualification. I for one, am against asteroids hitting the planet earth, but alas they have in the past, and most likely will in the future.
Point #3. Homosexuality. I have yet to hear one actually speak out against it, just say marriage should be between a man and a woman. What is the point to even ask them. They like as in abortion, have no intention of actually doing anything about it, even if they could.

Point #4. Queer rights and woman's rights to kill her child. Yes, these are abominations to God, HOWEVER, many a Republican politicians feel the same as many Democrats on all these points.

Point #5. With the almost rabid hatred of the Democrats, why is it that Republicans such as McCain get such a free pass for many of the same issues the Democrats are so loathed for? McCain has been guilty as charged with a voting record to prove it for 26 years but, is seen as the Savior. Just this week, he and Obama voted YES to a bail out of Wall Street, AND added an extra 150 billion to the already 700 billion dollar package.
All of these cute little names like dumbcrat, republicrat, and on and on do little to explain, and resemble very much, one first grader calling another first grader wearing glasses, "four eyes". It does nothing to solve the problem that plagues BOTH PARTIES. They continue to get the votes to keep their jobs and IGNORE THE VOTE'S WISHES. JMO

Bart Solo · « **Reply #21 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:01:09 PM »

How many of you believe there is a right to privacy in the constitution?

Dee · « **Reply #22 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:10:51 PM »

Quote from: Ron Byers on October 05, 2008, 06:01:09 PM

How many of you believe there is a right to privacy in the constitution?

There is no "right to privacy" in the Constitution. The Constitution is a document declaring what the LIMITS are for what a government CAN DO. It is about GOVERNMENTAL STRUCTURE AND IT'S POWER.

The BILL OF RIGHTS, is where your "right to privacy" lies. It is a document declaring what the government CANNOT DO.

Bart Solo · « **Reply #23 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:14:04 PM »

The bill of rights is part of the constitution. Where is there a right to privacy in the bill of rights?

Dee · « **Reply #24 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:21:15 PM »

The Bill of Rights is actually 10 "AMENDMENTS" to the Constitution, and support DUE PROCESS OF LAW, an example being the government cannot search or seize any of you property with out DUE PROCESS OF LAW, i.e. right to privacy.

Bart Solo · « **Reply #25 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:29:06 PM »

Search and seizure isn't the same as a right to privacy. If you don't believe me ask Scalia and Thomas.

By the way Dee that is excellent legal reasoning. It is just unpersuasive to a "strict constructionist," whatever that is.

Dee · « **Reply #26 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:44:43 PM »

Searching your house, car, boat, or what ever is most certainly an invasion of your privacy. In a 20 year Law Enforcement career, I have typed and had signed by a judge, countless "search warrants" in such matters, and EXECUTED THEM. The subject of that search warrant 99.9% of the time argued in court that their RIGHT TO PRIVACY HAD BEEN INVADED, by an ILLEGAL SEARCH.
I know precisely what privacy and the right to it are.
You have asked a question, and I have given the correct answer. Accept or reject, it is up to you, and matters not to me.
Scalia and Thomas are Supreme Court Judges, and did not write the Constitution or it's Amendments commonly referred to "separately" as the "Bill of Rights". They can give opinions on it, but as most know, interpretations of the 2nd "AMENDMENT" have been misconstrued by such courts, MANY TIMES.
We will have to agree to disagree.

Bart Solo · « **Reply #27 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:53:23 PM »

I don't disagree with you, but I am not a conservative like Scalia or Thomas

Dee · « **Reply #28 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:59:33 PM »

There doesn't seem to be any point to your discussion other than to ask the question, and then merely argue back with vague responses. I withdraw.

Bart Solo · « **Reply #29 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:11:06 PM »

There is a point. Part of the Republican scam is the idea that the Constitution is not a living document. Graybeard raised it himself. Some how the notion that rights are revealed over time is wrong, or judges who, using the right to privacy, protect individuals from the state are "activists" deserving of being reviled. It is a phony argument, but one the Republicans have convinced a lot of people to accept. My point is that the interpretation of the Constitution changes all the time, because things change all the time. Our job is to look at decisions from a practical perspective, and not fall into the trap of letting somebody label a decision "activist" or "strict constructionist."

A lot of people, on both sides, just chant slogans without even thinking about the underlying issue. It is hard to be a citizen in a Democracy and a lot of people are lazy. They love listening to and repeating meaningless slogans. Don't believe me, just read this thread.