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Poachers - I am fed up
« on: October 04, 2008, 11:04:53 PM »
Went to my land yesterday to clear some shooting lanes.  I had intended, if time permitted, to install another Trail Camera but found the existing camera, a new Recon Talon IR, had been hacksawed out of its "anti-theft" device. I posted some details on the GBO Camera Forum, just in case. You never know.

Yeah, I'm hurt about the money it will take to replace the camera, but the bigger problem is the continued Poaching! Someone is helping themself to my property, literally and figuratively, and my hard work. My "security" has been breached. I feel like repeling some Boarders, if I could find some.

I could tolerate, as you do, someone hunting the line. When that line is crossed, something has to be done. I don't want to be shot and I don't want to shoot anyone...well maybe a little - the guy that stole my camera, but there are better resolutions than the gun.

We have all, in one way or another, faced this problem, or will, and perhaps the "High Road" is to be thankful that I can recover from this. Still, I don;t know how to effect a solution. The Sheriff once told me not to keep anything of value in the woods. Great! He must have had his cameras stolen too.

What is the solution? I am concerned about the placement of additional cameras there in that they may too be stolen and spending good money after bad. Cheaper cameras to watch one another just make the total loss(es) more intolerable.

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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 02:44:22 AM »
I have never used one of those trail cameras, Idea ;D
Can you hide one to get a picture of this person ??? or get picture of the vehicle plate :-\
then you have them red handed and give photo's to the police. ;D
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 04:47:14 AM »
I am sorry about the slime that has ruined your property.

Maybe put a camera(s) near the area you believe the person is using.

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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 05:05:34 AM »
Sheriff's Deputy says to call in the serial number. Maybe they'll get lucky at the pawn shop. Felony Grand Theft and Tresspassing are the charges which could be filed so far.

I told him about the info etched with a soldering iron on the bottom of the camera.

There was a doe munching along out in the sorghum and brassicas on the west road as I went to make sure there was no Poacher in the stands this morning. Good sign that no one was in there in advance of the Sheriff. Kind of wish they had been though. The one that gets caught is going to get the "Hammer". I will Prosecute.

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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 05:30:44 AM »
Twenty acres is a pretty tiny piece of property really and can be crossed in a very short time so folks are gonna do it. It's a sign of the times folks just do not have respect for property rights anymore. If it's out where it can be seen it's gonna be stolen and if you don't have a fence tall enough and strong enough to keep folks out they are gonna trespass if there is any hunting to be had. I wish it was like in days of old when ya could shoot folks for such but those days are long gone and are unlikely to return. Folks just are not honest anymore thanks to the dumocraps and drugs.


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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2008, 08:25:17 AM »
Yeah GB I had the same initial reaction (longing for older times) and you are right 20 acres is tiny - but it is all I have and I call it "Home".  Florida land is expensive and they are not making it any more. I don't even live on it.  There is no access to it except from the highway to the north, the neighbor's land to the east (where I suspect the trouble is originating), and from the State land to the south and west (hunting there is by Poachers only).  Walk-ins are the only way in or out without a key to the gate.

I am going to call the neighbor to the east and tell him my position in this, that if his kids or their friends are caught on my game cameras tresspassing, poaching, or stealing that I will prosecute them just as I will any stranger.  I have never been anything but kind to my neighbor and he has really helped me a time or two so I believe I owe him that much to warn his kids.  If it is them and they persist I won't loose any sleep over it and it will spread the word that there are other cameras for the taking, potentially increasing my chance of getting a prosecutable photo.

Whomever I catch is going to get the Full Monte and the Whole Nine Yards.  Know what I mean?

Whomever did this took some time to saw through the lock, unbolt the leveling nuts and washers, remove the keeper bars, remove the camera, AND PUT THE BARS, NUTS AND WASHERS BACK ON THEIR THREADED RODS in the security box.  What "professional thief" is going to do that last part?  After getting the camera most would just leave the rest lay or toss it; not reassemble it again.  Real clue there.

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2008, 09:57:42 AM »
Reassembling the box isn't a clue for being professionals, its just to piss you off.

I wouldn't alert anyone of the wrong doing, they will return since they feel they cannot get caught.

Catch them red handed and turn over the evidence to the authorities and prosecute to the full extent of the law  If you suspect his kids don't warn them, because it wont stop the criminal activity.  Once a criminal always a criminal.

Make sure you post no tresspassing signs, so the police can pile up the charges.  Hopefully this guy breaks a federal law, so he gets a felony rap and can never legally carry a gun again if convicted.

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008, 11:15:19 AM »
I guess I'd be real tempted to set up a pair of cameras perhaps one a video motion activated one or a video that wirelessly sends the images to a well hidden receiver. Put that second one high and well hidden from normal ground view but so it captures all activity at the first. Then leave the first lower one to be stolen with video capture of the act by the second higher mounted one.

I agree I'd tell no one what I was doing. If the good neighbor has bad kids they need to be taught a lesson besides it might not even be his kids involved. Putting the word out just tells them to be a bit more cautious. I'd put that camera right back in the same spot with that video camera watching it but high and well hidden from view.


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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 01:43:01 AM »
I agree with others 100%
I know your pissed and you want to blow of some steam and let them know
your gunnen for them but DON'T .
As greybeard said is a great idea put one right back at the exact spot they took your
last one so they can find it again and have one to watch that one that is well hid then nail em.
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 02:57:08 AM »
If you think you can identify the culprit you have one problem, if it is a stranger you have another. For that problem you will need to get the vehicle plate number and know that the driver is the trespasser. Then it will be up to the local sheriff whether he will pursue it or not.

Be careful. They will likely be armed, your blood will be up, and when one person is hot both become mad very quickly. You will have no authority, you can tell someone to set their gun down or do this or that but without a badge and gun whether they obey or not is up to them. I personally don't think I would confront someone in the woods.

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 03:58:36 AM »
Great ideas gentlemen.  I won't "advertise" to the neighbor.  I don't think it is his kids.  I think it is the "friends" of his kids.  I will look for vantage points from which I can use a long ladder to set another camera or two watching the first.  A fellow from another board said he would mail me two broken Moltre (Wal-Mart) cameras for decoys.  Did I have any photographic evidence is what the sheriff asked.  On the stolen amera I figure.  Only time will tell if I can outsmart whomever is poaching there.  I will prosecute.  I need to send that signal into the community.   I am tired of being the victim.

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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 12:07:55 PM »
I asked in one of your other posts on this but will ask here again. Did they check for finger prints? If not I'd suggest you get them to. Then you have the culprit caught should you get additional photo evidence. Chances are their prints won't be in the database but if you get photos they can get bring them in and print them and if the prints match they are caught big time.


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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 12:17:33 PM »
I know here in Michigan they won't take finger prints unless it's a murder or federal crime.

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2008, 02:04:24 PM »
Anymore, it's almost a losing battle when you don't live on the land.  My wife's uncle owns about 600 acres in Eastern KY, and he's had so much trouble from poachers that he's debating selling the land at a loss just to get out of it.  He's had the land for about 10 years, and we all sort of tried to manage it for a little quality hunting, turkey and deer.  We gave up after last year. 

We've had to re-do the fencing on certain areas of the farm about 10 times in the last 5 years.  He's had tree stands stolen, trees cut down to block the road and quad paths and other access areas, someone toilet papered a 200 acre field (our main hunting area), they burned a hunting blind, and to top it all off, last year, they took Clorox and dumped it in all of the mineral licks that he'd put in, under all of the tree stands, in the two small ponds, on any tree they could find that was rubbed and in the scrapes too.

He's got it posted, notified the sheriffs and DNR officers, and spread the word among the locals.  The problem with the locals is that all of the land down there has been owned by the same families for generations.  When the older generations dies, the youngsters started selling the land.  As the new owners take possesion and post the property, the locals get pissed about not having any access anymore.  One of the old timers down there was griping about a new owner last year, saying that "I've hunted on that land for 50 years, and just cause there's a new owner and they posted it, I'm still gonna hunt there anytime I want, whether they like it or not.  They've got no right to deny us access."  We told him that they have the right to do whatever they want with their land, and it doesn't matter if he likes it.  Uncle Alan then informed all of the locals that were present to stay off his land unless they want to go to jail.

Now he goes down there every week or weekend or so just to have a presence around, that way the locals never know when he's going to be there.  He put a camper up in the main field to stay in too.  It's been there about 6 months, last week, he found it flipped over and trashed.  Now he says that he's going to start shooting on sight (told us that, not them), since the police can't seem to do anything about it.  It's a very rural area, so it's easy to get away with stuff.  We find headless carcasses all of the time throughout the late summer through spring, depending on when the racks drop off.  People insist that they are hunting for food, since they are poor.  Funny thing, I didn't know you could eat antlers.   >:(

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 04:48:49 PM »
kyelk...that sounds REAL BAD..the kind of REAL BAD that will get you or your loved ones KILLED.  It isn't worth that!  Sorry to hear.  I know it could be worse for me and I only have 20 acres.

GB...The Sheriff's Deputy said these particular surfaces would be nearly impossible from which to get a print, it had rained hard that morning, and he wouldn't fingerprints after 3 days.  I had been there the previous Tuesday and upon closer reflection had noted some adjustment in the ladder there but due to a pre-occupied mind I didn't take note of the camera much farther away.  The best "recollection" that I had for the theft was the previous weekend.  Not everything gets checked each and every time I visit the property.

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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2008, 12:23:28 PM »
Alan is usually more bark than bite.  He was just pretty pissed off about the camper.  It's getting so bad down there that I don't know if I'm even going down there this year.  Oh yeah, two years ago, we found a 10x13 tent full of bales of pot.  It wasn't on our land, it was on an area of logging that we'd gotten permission to hunt on.  He thought about setting the tent on fire, then decided that it wasn't worth the grief.

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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2008, 11:59:28 AM »
i have 300 acres in far west texas, over the past 7 yrs i have had my camper broken in to feeders stolen,ect.
the law was no help he said that its just to far out for him to keep an eye on. i live about 300 miles from my place
so its hard to go out every week end. well last season while sitting in my blind i watched a truck pull up to my camper
two guys got out. they walked approx. 200 yards to one of my other stands and start to hunt. i couldnt believe what
i was seeing. i called the s.o. and they told me that they were very busy and could not get out there for a long time.
i called the game warden and he never answered the phone. so i took thing into my own hands. i DO NOT want anyone
doing what i did, but at the time i was more pissed than smart. first i took two shots into the air which got there attention
and after some very choice words there truck took one from the 7mm mag. well needles to say they left in a hurry.
about two week later while i was in the small town gettin corn the clerk told me that the guys that i shot at have been
huntin my pace for years and from what they told him they would not be back because they didnt want to get shot.
now granted i got the stink eye and some good threats from the s.o. not to mention the game warden. but i think i
got my point across. since then nothing on my place has been touched now time will tell.
again DO NOT do what i did if i could take it back i would have  waited for the s.o."used my head not my emotions"
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2008, 01:33:29 PM »
I bet that when you call the s.o. next time they don't give you the run around.  I get your point though.

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2008, 05:30:11 PM »
ya but all things even, i got my point across and word of mouth about the crazy guy
is kinda worth it.
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2008, 03:21:09 AM »
It always seems that LEO's let off steam against land owners and the lawful folks when you step over their line, but regardless of the verbal abuse, it does not go much further than that, maybe puts you on someone's "list" for a while and in the back of folks' memories. 

Sure, NOW LEO gets your point and will be there in the future "just in case".  Why did it take that extreme for them to "help" you.  You are the injured party, yet they treat you like you were the criminal (that's the stepping over their line part). 

You didn't shoot anyone - but you could have.  You called for their assistance when the poachers were in plain sight with plenty of time to catch them in the act and they ignored you.  What is left for a land owner at that point?  Frustration mounting, situation escalating, the fuse lit, the powder about to go off.

There is just no glamore in catching poachers who are only armed trespassers at that point I suppose.  Why do they treat us like this?

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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2008, 05:07:45 PM »
Me and my dad have talked about just the very thing, and now listening to his old school wisdom
i have come to believe his take on all this,
IF A MAN HAS NO RESPECT FOR HIMSELF HE WILL IN NOW WAY RESPECT OTHERS.
my old man instilled in me all my life to respect others, property lines, others property and
always leave the place cleaner than you found it. this old school teaching has never gone wrong for me and my children.
it seems that everyone these days dont teach there children anything and expect everyone to bend over and
kiss there ass.
as my dad says its alway the kids and young adults that destroy or trespass or not give a crap.
the direct reflection parents not parenting,
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2008, 05:00:19 PM »
used to have a problem on my family land with the neighbors rideing 4 wheelers...i caught them severla times and the deputies warned them several times but i stopped it by telling one of the other neighbors that i had sunnk boards with nails around the place and for him not to tell anyone.......i knew he would and it stopped........also one time i was in one of my stand s and 2 of the neighbors came walking through the woods and they didnt see me... i hollared at them that they were tresspassing........they said "we can come on your property anytime we want too!" i almost jumped out of my stand, ran over to them and proceded to tell them what will happen to them if caught again........they think i am crazy now and i havent seen them since......maybe i am.....mack

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2008, 02:52:25 AM »
I gave serious consideration to boards with nails once where they were riding 4 wheelers illegally on public lands. It probably would have stopped the illegal trails, but I couldn't think of a way to keep cattle from hurting themselves. 4 wheelers have ruined more good hunting spots than I can count. I ride one too, but creating new roads to every bit of cover just pushes the game out into desert draws where no one can find them.

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2008, 03:45:19 PM »
Nail boards, if used and some tresspasser gets hurt by them, show malicious intent on the part of the Land Owner to inflict injury and harm.  That aggrevates the penality AGAINST the Land Owner who was trying to rid himself of a nusince in the first place.  Go Figure.

A better plan is to take natural vegetation, say grape vine, and stretch it across the road at neck height.  Clothes Lined.  Too bad.  Sucks to be them.

Introduce a hornet's nest adjacent at the pinch point location where they have to slow down or enter the property.  Nature's own deterrent.

Put tree trunks across walking paths.  A lot of tree trunks.  That'll slow them down and makes no difference to walkers.

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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2008, 06:03:03 PM »
Now there's a thought. Not very many grape vines in Wyo, but some black locust branches thrown across a trail to stop erosion might pass the smell test.

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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2008, 07:42:20 AM »
Yeah GB I had the same initial reaction (longing for older times) and you are right 20 acres is tiny - but it is all I have and I call it "Home".  Florida land is expensive and they are not making it any more. I don't even live on it.  There is no access to it except from the highway to the north, the neighbor's land to the east (where I suspect the trouble is originating), and from the State land to the south and west (hunting there is by Poachers only).  Walk-ins are the only way in or out without a key to the gate.

I am going to call the neighbor to the east and tell him my position in this, that if his kids or their friends are caught on my game cameras tresspassing, poaching, or stealing that I will prosecute them just as I will any stranger.  I have never been anything but kind to my neighbor and he has really helped me a time or two so I believe I owe him that much to warn his kids.  If it is them and they persist I won't loose any sleep over it and it will spread the word that there are other cameras for the taking, potentially increasing my chance of getting a prosecutable photo.

Whomever I catch is going to get the Full Monte and the Whole Nine Yards.  Know what I mean?

Whomever did this took some time to saw through the lock, unbolt the leveling nuts and washers, remove the keeper bars, remove the camera, AND PUT THE BARS, NUTS AND WASHERS BACK ON THEIR THREADED RODS in the security box.  What "professional thief" is going to do that last part?  After getting the camera most would just leave the rest lay or toss it; not reassemble it again.  Real clue there.
From years of experience I wouldn't make any statements to any of the neighbors about your problems I'd just set up some cameras high above ground where they can't be seen but can scan the area.In LE when someone had problems with a thief stealing items they'd set up a box or bag with dye paks that would rupture if disturbed spraying the perp with an indelible purple dye that intensifies when one tries to remove it.A juvi I had on probation was doing odd jobs for 2 elderly ladies who kept a money box but the punk found it and started helping himself until the detective set a dye pak in the box which sprayed the ah with the dye,he couldn't get it off and fled the area ending up in FL in a stolen vehicle,since he was 17 & had priors in CA he was sentenced to Florida SP in Raiford,FL for several years where they had chain gangs used to keep the snake & gator infested roadside drainage ditches weed free ,punishment to fit the crime.

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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2008, 01:55:09 PM »
how about a few treble  hooks along the trail to  the camera

dang  i bet  some one set  them to  get  you  the  same ones that put  them  boards  there

i am  in  the rental  business....how  would  you  like a deputy  to tell  you  they will  arrest  you if  you don't  leave  your  own  property  while  the squatters  destroy  it
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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2008, 01:59:13 PM »
If a box of Simplex nails fell off the back of your truck, that would be a shame.  It's so hard to pick them all up.
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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2008, 09:46:15 AM »
LMAO, especially if the box happened to bust apart and scatter them all over!

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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2008, 03:24:04 PM »
some  one  else  put  those  nails  in  my neighbors drive  way

i  got  arrested  for  it

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free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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