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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #90 on: October 09, 2008, 01:53:11 AM »
CAN'T SEE A THIRD PARTY VOTE AS A WASTE ! IT MAY NOT HELP YOU AND YOUR CHOICE BUT AIN'T THAT THE POINT ? WHEN WE VOTE THIRD PARTY WE DON'T LIKE THE OTHER TWO CHOICES !
A N D  W E  H A V E  T H E  G U T S  T O  V O T E  F O R  W H O   W E  T H I N K  I S  B E S T !  Not follow some stupid azz idea that we have to vote for the lesser of two evils !

Palin is the best reason to vote REP. she may just not let herself get pulled into main stream inter circle Washington ! MAYBE !

yes i know its yelling but if its good for DEE then its good for ME !
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #91 on: October 09, 2008, 01:55:27 AM »
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why would any one support any democrat?

Because they want something for free.

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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #92 on: October 09, 2008, 02:07:51 AM »
sorry  if  i  got  too  upset  last  night   with  some  of  you.....its  cause  i like you  all 
just  the  thoughts  of   PRESEDENT BARRACK  HUSSEIN OBAMA  causes  be  to  be  toooo impatient
i  don't mean  to  be a  smart  azz  but  voting  3rg  party  just  means you have  more guts   than brains
the  reason  i  know  that  is  i voted  and  belong  to  a  3rd party  and  it  bothers  me

you  do  have a  relative  point  tho about  the  3rd  party
why  support a democrat if  you can  vote  third party [lately  been  too  mad  to  see that angle]
but  3rd  party votes  among  us  gun  owners  is  an  inderect  support democrat support

when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #93 on: October 09, 2008, 02:10:25 AM »
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voting  3rg  party  just  means you have  more guts   than brains

No, it just means you aren't mature enough to do the right thing even though it sucks.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #94 on: October 09, 2008, 02:37:48 AM »
No if you don't vote your heart you are a hypocrite and deserve what you get !
JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER SHEEP IN THE PASTURE ! you know they steal your wool , but give you a blanket for a while then send ya to the glue factory when you don't serve their purpose .
I don't blame the sheep they have been fed the same BS for ever and brain washing works !
think of it like the auto industry . Back in the day we had ford and chevy. yea we had others but they were small . the quality went to h___ and we bought into American iron equals American jobs etc.etc. THEN came YODA ( third party with what we needed QUALITY , VALUE AND CRAFTSMANSHIP ) the bottom line in the end all auto makers got better and the come late third party is now # 1 !  but the orig. big 2 are better and give what we want now also . YOU WANT CHANGE DEMAND IT ! BUT VOTING FOR THE SAME OLD GUYS AIN"T GOING TO BRING CHANGE !
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #95 on: October 09, 2008, 02:44:01 AM »
if  i  thought  your  man  could  get  51%  i  would  kick  mccain  down  the  stairs
but he  can't  and  i  think  you  are  smart enough to  know  that
can  you  bring yourself  to  vote PALIN vice presedent
remember BILL CLINTON  won  with  43%  of  the  vote....how can  that  be??
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #96 on: October 09, 2008, 02:58:16 AM »
1st. I already said I was voting for S. Palin . I asked if SHE could be a better third party canidate .
2nd. I stated that 51% did not asure a win !
3rd. I stated we need to start 2-3 elections ahead to get a third party canidate elected .
4th. don't kick him down the stair yet. Just make sure she is in position to take up the slack if he tripps !
If there was someone that i felt was as qualified as Palin on a third party ticket then i would vote for them !
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #97 on: October 09, 2008, 03:02:08 AM »
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I asked if SHE could be a better third party canidate.

What would be the point in that?

A third party canidate cannot win period......That will not change.  At best they are spoilers who allow democrats to get in office.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #98 on: October 09, 2008, 03:16:51 AM »
yea ! yea ! yea  ! yea ! yea ! yea !
THE WORLD IS FLAT ! THE BRITISH WILL ALWAYS RULE AMERICA ! MAN WILL NEVER GO TO THE MOON ! AND A WOMAN WILL NEVER RUN FOR PRESIDENT OR VP ! ETC. ETC.

GLAD I"M NOT A MILE OR MORE BIRD !
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #99 on: October 09, 2008, 03:17:48 AM »
shootall  i  haven't  woke  up  good   sorry....don't want  to  upset  a  PALIN  supporter
our  votes  probly  won't  matter  any way  with  all  of  ACORNS  voter  fraud
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #100 on: October 09, 2008, 03:21:11 AM »
hey not upset , just figure with a little coaching we could get enough votes togather to change things , just need to muster some sprit and courage ! you know like the guys that started this freedom thing we need to save it !
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #101 on: October 09, 2008, 03:21:41 AM »
your  right   why  i   learned from  my  mistake      don't  want   you  to  make  the  same  mistake

LOL! See! Sometimes a bad example is a learning experience. Just kiddin. ;D
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #102 on: October 09, 2008, 03:23:10 AM »
I'm thinking we'll have a dictator before we have a 3rd party winner.  Of course a dictator is fine as long as you like his policies.

I support a war hero.  I support Sarah.  I don't support a muslim.
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« Reply #103 on: October 09, 2008, 03:25:15 AM »
I support freedom !
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #104 on: October 09, 2008, 03:29:36 AM »
No if you don't vote your heart you are a hypocrite and deserve what you get !
JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER SHEEP IN THE PASTURE ! you know they steal your wool , but give you a blanket for a while then send ya to the glue factory when you don't serve their purpose .
I don't blame the sheep they have been fed the same BS for ever and brain washing works !
think of it like the auto industry . Back in the day we had ford and chevy. yea we had others but they were small . the quality went to h___ and we bought into American iron equals American jobs etc.etc. THEN came YODA ( third party with what we needed QUALITY , VALUE AND CRAFTSMANSHIP ) the bottom line in the end all auto makers got better and the come late third party is now # 1 !  but the orig. big 2 are better and give what we want now also . YOU WANT CHANGE DEMAND IT ! BUT VOTING FOR THE SAME OLD GUYS AIN"T GOING TO BRING CHANGE !

Excellently put, and poignantly TRUE!
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #105 on: October 09, 2008, 04:24:17 AM »
Take a deep breath Dee, your wife will wonder why you are screaming at the computer.

She came in and shut the door. The dog was howling. Sometimes a little yelling is good for the soul. Besides, the kids are grown and gone, and I need to give Huff my Jack Russell huntin buddy a break. When I yell at him, he thinks we're havin fun, and he yells back. ;D
I go out and bang and beat on the hot rod for a while. When I come back inside I feel a whole lot better. Cheaper than, and more effective than all that psycho babble therapy I took in the '70's! I may not finish the hot rod. At least I'll have to start another one.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #106 on: October 09, 2008, 04:32:21 AM »
So....will Ron Paul be on the ballot? I realize he didn't make it through the primary process, but will he be on the ballot anyway? Part of me agrees that voting a third party ticket will take votes away from McCain, but a very real part of me wants to stand in front of the on coming semi, middle finger proudly extended,and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #107 on: October 09, 2008, 04:34:06 AM »
Ron Paul is not on the FL ballot.  There were a bunch of people I never heard of.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #108 on: October 09, 2008, 04:39:18 AM »
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"Talk change all you want but if you continue to do the same thing and vote DEM or REP YOU ARE INSANE!!!!!!!!! If you really want change then stop saying it and do something about it VOTE for the LIBERTY PARTY or the CONSTITUTIONAL PARTY candidate."

Sir I shall buy you both a steak and a beer for saying that!!!  A vote third party is a vote for change!  Even if the third party isn't elected, if a HUGE portion of America is not voting mainstream, the polls will still show that more and more people are growing tired of the current situation, and the Dem/Rep parties will note that and try to gain that voter base back.  The Dem or Rep parties will not be the first parties to go out of existance in american history...

I'm voting 3rd party in this election by writing in Jesus Christ for president.  Sadly even if this were an option most of you would still vote Republican because "It's a two party system."

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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #109 on: October 09, 2008, 04:42:03 AM »
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"Talk change all you want but if you continue to do the same thing and vote DEM or REP YOU ARE INSANE!!!!!!!!! If you really want change then stop saying it and do something about it VOTE for the LIBERTY PARTY or the CONSTITUTIONAL PARTY candidate."

Sir I shall buy you both a steak and a beer for saying that!!!  A vote third party is a vote for change!  Even if the third party isn't elected, if a HUGE portion of America is not voting mainstream, the polls will still show that more and more people are growing tired of the current situation, and the Dem/Rep parties will note that and try to gain that voter base back.  The Dem or Rep parties will not be the first parties to go out of existance in american history...


My hero, TR, went down in defeat with a third party try. Maybe it's time we followed his lead.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #110 on: October 09, 2008, 04:43:24 AM »
Ron Paul is not on the FL ballot.  There were a bunch of people I never heard of.
I'm in Texas, and I'm ashamed to admit I don't know if he will be on our ballot or not.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #111 on: October 09, 2008, 04:44:25 AM »
Positive change in this country will never again be obtained peacefully.  To think otherwise is not reasonable or logical.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #112 on: October 09, 2008, 05:17:39 AM »
Ron Paul is not on the FL ballot.  There were a bunch of people I never heard of.
I'm in Texas, and I'm ashamed to admit I don't know if he will be on our ballot or not.

Mike there WILL BE a Libertarian and Constitutional candidate on the ballot. I will vote either. Bob Barr is on the Libertarian ticket, and I can't remember his name, but the Constitutional candidate I believe is a Baptist minister. BOTH! Stand for the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Neither the Democratic or Republican candidates do, and their VOTING RECORDS PROVE IT! And to echo what I have been saying all along and what others have also said here. A CHANGE IN VOTING HABITS FOR THE TWO SAME OLE PARTIES, IS ALL THAT WILL BRING CHANGE.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #113 on: October 09, 2008, 05:44:04 AM »
I'm beginning to understand, Dee.
For me it has always been the second amendment first, and other things like the economy and entitlement come second. But I see two things here. First, NEITHER party is looking out for my best needs, and recent second amendment wins in the supreme court give a little breathing room to concentrate on other things.
I DO believe that sometime, we will have to give up voting for someone we don't want in to keep someone else from winning.
I my end up with obamamamma in office,(probably will anyway) but I've got to start voting as the founding fathers intended.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #114 on: October 09, 2008, 06:44:46 AM »
It is indeed a hard pill to swallow, when one realizes that the party he or she supports is just as dangerous as his or her friends say the opponent is.
It is at times hard to go against the grain, when everyone is telling you not to. However in the end, doing the right thing, or voting for the BEST CANDIDATE, is really all that matters.
After all, one can say: I voted for the lessor of two evils. OR! One can say: I voted for the most honest, and BEST candidate.
My signature at the bottom of my posts, are just some of the beliefs I try to live by. And I truly had rather be sitting on the losing bench at the end of the game with someone whom does not lie and cheat to win, than to be standing next to a liar and a cheat, whom lied and cheated his way to his "alleged victory". When one gives his dignity and principal to the lessor of two evils, his dignity and principal were not worth much to begin with. JMO
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #115 on: October 09, 2008, 07:05:09 AM »
All I can say is I voted for the lesser of 2 evils w/ bush... I won't be making the same mistake twice... I do like Sara Palin, but she isn't running for the leader of the free world position... Unless I'm to expect McCain to kick the bucket in the next couple years, Palin wont be able to do much...
I'm voting 3rd party in this election by writing in Jesus Christ for president.  Sadly even if this were an option most of you would still vote Republican because "It's a two party system."

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« Reply #116 on: October 09, 2008, 08:03:34 AM »
When someone is around that won't COVER UP THINGS she might have more effect than you think .
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« Reply #117 on: October 09, 2008, 08:09:32 AM »
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recent second amendment wins in the supreme court give a little breathing room to concentrate on other things.

This is laughable at best.
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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #118 on: October 09, 2008, 08:54:37 AM »
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THE WORLD IS FLAT !


Well part of it is anyway cuz my blueberry orchard is flat.


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THE BRITISH WILL ALWAYS RULE AMERICA !


So that's who it is. I've been wondering who the hell is running the show here.


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MAN WILL NEVER GO TO THE MOON !

I don't believe one ever has at least not yet. I'll go to my grave confident no man has set foot on the moon.

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AND A WOMAN WILL NEVER RUN FOR PRESIDENT OR VP ! ETC. ETC.

I can't say I've ever heard that one before but have heard some say one will never be elected. In many ways I've always deep down hoped that much would be true as I'm not much of one for women in politics as a general rule. Still deep down inside I think I've long known that some day one will actually be elected.

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GLAD I"M NOT A MILE OR MORE BIRD !


What's a mile or more bird? If I've ever heard of them I must have lost that brain cell it was stored in. Comes with old age I reckon.



No folks Ron Paul will not be on your ballot. Here is how that stuff works. In the Primaries LOTSA folks are on the ballot and by the time the conventions are over all but one from each major party has been defeated and they are gone from the ballots from that point on UNLESS they chose to begin again in a third party bid for the office. Ron is a Republican and has said he will not mount a third party bid for the Presidency being well aware such a bid would gurantee Obma's election.

The sad facts of life folks is that baring the death of one or both between now and January 20 one of the two (McCain or Obama) WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT. Like it or not there ain't a damned thing you can do to stop it unless as I said you or someone else takes them out before they take office. Ya might just as well accept that fact one will be President. The ONLY choice you have (and I'm less than certain we even still have that choice) is to vote for which it will be. Again I'm unconvinced at this point our vote really matters. Most all polls are now machine controlled ie computer controlled thus subject to the count being altered as whoever is REALLY IN CHARGE wished them to be altered.

So yeah you can vote for another person if you wish. But the real bottom line on it is this. If you are as a general principle more in line with the Republican views as stated in their party platform than the dumocrap views then a vote for any third party candidate is a defacto vote for the dumocraps and if your views are more in line with the dumocraps and you vote third party you are in fact voting to prevent them from being elected.

You can piss and moan all ya want and make all the excuses you want about not throwing away your vote and voting your conscious all you want but the fact remains come January 20 either McCain or Obama will take office. So do you or do you NOT wish a say in which it is?

I fully agree one single vote most all the time is meaningless all by itself. But all those single votes tallied up at the end of the day are gonna put one or the other in office.

It's too damned late to send anybody any messages for this Presidential election. You pissed away that chance 4, 8, 12, 16, 20 years ago. If you want to make a difference then get behind someone you can support at the local level. ONLY when another third, fourth or fifth party is well established by winning at the local level and getting folks in the state congresses and state governorships and then into the US Congress are they ever gonna be in a position to put a man or woman in the white house. Until then you're fooling only yourself and you sure are not sending any messages to anyone like you think you are by voting otherwise.

Twice Klinton went into office for no reason in the world other than folks not happy with the Republican candidate voted third party. Had that big eared little Texan stayed out of it or had folks used their heads we'd NEVER have had Klinton as President and wouldn't be in the mess we are today well not as deeply or as soon at least.

Yes I've heard all the crap about if ya keep doing what you are doing and expecting a different outcome yer a fool and I completely agree. BUT damn it there is a time ya really do gotta vote the lesser evil for a given office and vote your convictions at all local levels up thru state level. Then and ONLY THEN will anyone else other than a Republican or a dumocrap have a shot at the white house. That enough folks have not yet figured that out is why we're in the mess we are and until enough folks who really care do figure that out then it's only gonna continue to get worse.

There is nothing in the world Osama Obama the muzlim would like better than for ALL folks who disagree with him and his policies to vote third party. So who's hands are you gonna play into? Wise up folks you have two choices of who is elected and if you don't do all you can to prevent it that damned muzlim is gonna be elected. Hell I'm not sure we can really stop him anyway. He acts as if he has already been elected. Maybe he has and we just don't know it yet.


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Re: why would any one support any democrat?
« Reply #119 on: October 09, 2008, 09:00:27 AM »
A mile or more bird is the one that sticks his ( or her ) head in the sand and whisles out their butt , ya can hear it a mile or more away !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !